[Envoy4Life]

Agreed. VSport would be the first Cadillac sedan I would be interested in, but its a no go without AWD here in the land of ice and snow (some parts had the first snow of the season last night). Love the S6 and S7, great combo of Sport and everyday drive-ability, with AWD for the winter months.

Ditto. S6 and S7 are beautiful, practical cars.

Heh, we had our first snow about a week ago.

 

[CJH]

Ditto. S6 and S7 are beautiful, practical cars.

Heh, we had our first snow about a week ago.

Agreed.

Damn you beat us to it!!! Winter is a-comin'!!!

 

[Envoy4Life]

Agreed.

Damn you beat us to it!!! Winter is a-comin'!!!

Ugh, and I'm NOT looking forward to it, LOL.

UGHHHH!

 

[sfbreh]

You're right about the AWD helping it. And don't forget launch control (you can only use it a limited amount of times, however ) A CTS VSport and an Audi S6 without using launch control would be a much closer race to 60. Also, I'm pretty confident that both cars would be about even racing from 20mph on... Though the Audi would likely win a 1/4 mile race - but not by much...

I'm not quite sure how Audi managed to bearly get 400 lb/ft of torque from their V8 when Cadillac got 430 out of their V6. That's just silly.

I like the S6 styling better than the CTS - as well as the V8 (better for modifying).

Under - rated? Which would be pretty common with the Germans.

The S6 is absolutely underrated.

http://www.audiworld.com/forums/a6-...c7-platform-discussion-194/audi-s6-s7-s8-underrated-factory-horsepower-2836738/
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1487.0

The 4.0 pumps out ratings anywhere from at least Vsport horsepower figures to nearly 500.

Agreed. VSport would be the first Cadillac sedan I would be interested in, but its a no go without AWD here in the land of ice and snow (some parts had the first snow of the season last night). Love the S6 and S7, great combo of Sport and everyday drive-ability, with AWD for the winter months.

Vsport schmeesport. If they're going to keep the Vsport RWD-only, why even bother and why not just drive something else or skip to the V (as a consumer in the NE)?

The S6 and S7 are absolutely two of my favorite cars for the exact reasons you've stated.

 

[CJH]

Ugh, and I'm NOT looking forward to it, LOL.

UGHHHH!

LOL, planning on getting the snowblower tuned up and running this weekend! I actually like winter better than really hot weather, but that's just me.

The S6 is absolutely underrated.

http://www.audiworld.com/forums/a6-...c7-platform-discussion-194/audi-s6-s7-s8-underrated-factory-horsepower-2836738/
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=1487.0

The 4.0 pumps out ratings anywhere from at least Vsport horsepower figures to nearly 500.

That's not a little underrated, that's crazy underrated!!! Its kind of a sleeper car, which is one of one of the reasons I like it as well.

Vsport schmeesport. If they're going to keep the Vsport RWD-only, why even bother and why not just drive something else or skip to the V (as a consumer in the NE)?

Tru Dat.

The S6 and S7 are absolutely two of my favorite cars for the exact reasons you've stated.

Hater's goin' to hate, but they are great rides. Love that you can still get the nice wood and luxury touches in the S line instead of the mandatory carbon fiber and "racing" touches other manufacturers normally put in sport models. I ain't going to take it to the track, I just want drive it like a bat out of hell from time to time!

 

[sfbreh]

Hater's goin' to hate, but they are great rides. Love that you can still get the nice wood and luxury touches in the S line instead of the mandatory carbon fiber and "racing" touches other manufacturers normally put in sport models. I ain't going to take it to the track, I just want drive it like a bat out of hell from time to time!

Amen!

Never tracked a car, probably won't for the foreseeable future. I have enough thrills in my life as-is.

And you're right, mandatory carbon fiber in a luxury car is dumb, though to the competition's credit, I don't think BMW or Mercedes restrict you to carbon fiber-only. They may have, but I don't believe that's still the case.

 

[baloo]

I'm not quite sure how Audi managed to bearly get 400 lb/ft of torque from their V8 when Cadillac got 430 out of their V6. That's just silly.

That's intentional to get a better torque curve. They basically clip the top end of the torque curve so that the engine feels strong throughout the rev range, vs. letting it peak at a higher number and then have the torque drop off as the turbo starts to choke.

S6:

VSport:

Without limiting the torque artificially, the S6 torque curve would have the same basic shape as the VSport's, just a tad higher. That gives you more midrange punch, but the downside is that the engine feels a bit like a turbo diesel, in that the acceleration decreases when you rev it higher.

The VSport makes 435 ft-lb at 3500 rpm, which then drops to 335 ft-lb or so at 6000 rpm. The S6 basically makes the same amount of torque from 2000 to 6000 rpm.

 

[ryannel2003]

I'm sorry but my experiences working at an Audi dealership would have me running away from them. Granted, I owned two Cadillac's with the infamous Northstar engines but it would seem that Audi's quality control still isn't what it should be. Not saying that Cadillac's is perfect but I know more than a few Audi owners I spoke to saying they would never own another one. The problem with the Audi is they are incredibly difficult to work on and the labor charges are absolutely insane.

Not saying that every Audi has an issue and that every Cadillac is perfect but based on my experience I wouldn't buy one. In fact, I would probably buy a Mercedes or BMW over an Audi.

 

[Amphibian]

They're very close, yes. But GM is stupid for not offering AWD on the Vsport. Lots of people in the Midwest and Northeast wouldn't buy one without it, myself included.

I've wondered about this too. On a similar note, the CTS should offer a performance AWD system like Acura, Audi, and others. Particularly on something like the Vsport, this makes the most of the vehicle. Gives them something to brand and market as well.

At least not in this class. But that is precisely the reason Audi makes the most profits for Volkswagen.. They have managed to convince the gullible public that a FWD Audi with a RWD like engine mount is worth a BMW 5 series money.

The A6, like the 5-Series or E-Class, is on a premium platform. It's not like the XTS wher it's a "tarted up" mainstream product. It's a luxury product that happens to have a FWD platform.

Until Audi is RWD or AWD with RWD bias it's just a glorified VW.

The A6, like most Audis, is not a gloried VW.

Cadillac: 0-60 in 4.4 (Car and Driver)
Audi: 0-60 in 3.7 (Car and Driver) The AWD helps here I am sure of it.

To drive home the point others are making about the Audi being under-rated in output, consider C&D's test of each (Audi: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-audi-s6-test-review, Cadillac: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-cadillac-cts-vsport-twin-turbo-v-6-test-review). By 130 mph, the Audi has opened a nearly 2.5 second lead. Looking at their tests of key competitors (M56, 550i, E550), it appears as though the Vsport is right in line with comparably powered competitors. The S6 looks to be an outlier. Maybe the XF Supercharged is on the same planet, but then again Jaguar claims it's quite a bit more powerful than most of these others vehicles as well.

 

[Jesda]

Amen!

Never tracked a car, probably won't for the foreseeable future.

It's fuuuuuuuun. That said, I prefer to do it in a durable $3000 Japanese car (Miatas and Integras are ideal).

 

[Envoy4Life]

It's fuuuuuuuun. That said, I prefer to do it in a durable $3000 Japanese car (Miatas and Integras are ideal).

I had a blast tracking my ATS. The look on the face of a lot of ignorant BMW drivers was priceless when they got passed by a Cadillac.

 

[JBsZ06]

2016 model year?