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Originally posted by SteveWallace+Feb 9 2004, 01:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SteveWallace @ Feb 9 2004, 01:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SteveWallace
I test drove the 2k2 GP and the Maxima, never drove the Alti.  I know that the last gen GP could not compare to the last gen Max.  I haven't driven the new GP though so it may be a very different beast.
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You should check this article out, it's an entertaining, informative read, Grand Prix Showdown a journalist thought the '04 GP wasn't up to par, so Lutz personally invited that journalist to re-test the '04 GP vs an '04 Maxima, here's an excerpt from the article:

"I think GM proved its major point: By the numbers, the Grand Prix is every bit as competitive, even superior, as anything else in its class, no matter where it is designed or built."

In one handling/braking exercise, the journalist admitted to cheating (braking & corrected his steering early) when in the Maxima cause it was all he felt he could do for the Maxima to succeed in said exercise and yet, it still failed. In short, by the numbers, the Maxima was dominated in all categories by the GP.
 
Originally posted by LGRpup@Feb 10 2004, 06:56 PM
I wish that link would work cause I would have liked to read that article.
After you click on the link there are 2 "http://"s in the address. Just delete 1 and the page will load.

Best quote in the article..."So much for the myth of Japanese or German quality superiority."
 
$100 that Lutz beat up the reporter to get the truth out of him. Cant trust them Canuks.

Just read the article, and man thats awesome. I like that the 04 GP ranked higher then the 03. This could lead to better ranking of the LaCross and Impalla, no? Which brings up another question, Is the MC gunna be redone, or wait for RWD?
 
Originally posted by johnd89@Feb 8 2004, 02:34 PM
you said something about weight?? how's 963 lbs more for the maxima???

if you want to look at the numbers, always look closely!
:D

The Maxima weighs 963 lbs more than the GP?! I hope that's a typo, or the comment about looking closely at the numbers seems a bit hypocritical!

Seriously, the curb weight for the GTP is listed at 3583. The Maxima SE's is listed as 3499, making the GTP a relatively insignificant 84 lbs heavier.

As for the Altima making the Maxima obsolete, it probably will in the long run. But, like GP buyers, Maxima buyers are very loyal. From what I've heard, my Dad is pretty typical: he's on his third. He looked seriously at the Altima but was able to deal on an '03 Maxima, which has a nicer interior and a little more power (255). As long as Nissan has a body of such loyal owners, it pays to keep something called the Maxima around.
 
Originally posted by tom@Feb 11 2004, 09:58 PM
The Nissan Altima/Maxima share a platform with the AWD Murano. Does anyone know about an AWD Altima/Maxima coming soon?
thats a big negative.

Murano/FX/G35 coupe/sedan/350z all share the same RWD chassis.

altima and maxima share whatever FWD crap they are on now.
 
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Originally posted by bigals87z28+Feb 12 2004, 02:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigals87z28 @ Feb 12 2004, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-tom@Feb 11 2004, 09:58 PM
The Nissan Altima/Maxima share a platform with the AWD Murano.  Does anyone know about an AWD Altima/Maxima coming soon?
thats a big negative.

Murano/FX/G35 coupe/sedan/350z all share the same RWD chassis.

altima and maxima share whatever FWD crap they are on now. [/b][/quote]
No he was right:

Altima/Maxima/Murano are all on the FWD midsize platform

G35/FX/350Z are all RWD platforms wich are versions of the the Skyline GTR chassis.... (lightly based of course)
 
Originally posted by TaHoE+Feb 12 2004, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TaHoE @ Feb 12 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by bigals87z28@Feb 12 2004, 02:28 AM
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@Feb 11 2004, 09:58 PM
The Nissan Altima/Maxima share a platform with the AWD Murano.  Does anyone know about an AWD Altima/Maxima coming soon?

thats a big negative.

Murano/FX/G35 coupe/sedan/350z all share the same RWD chassis.

altima and maxima share whatever FWD crap they are on now.
No he was right:

Altima/Maxima/Murano are all on the FWD midsize platform

G35/FX/350Z are all RWD platforms wich are versions of the the Skyline GTR chassis.... (lightly based of course) [/b][/quote]
reaaaaaaly? I thought the FX and Murano were the same chassis?
 
it's amazing what a following the maxima has... i don't think ANY toyota or honda sedan owners are as passionate about their cars. people LOVE their maximas! it's surprising, really, to see such a cult following for such a mainstream car. or at last that's what i've always noticed. looks like maybe the impala is on that track... which'd be nice for sure!
 
Originally posted by paul8488@Feb 12 2004, 02:33 PM
it's amazing what a following the maxima has... i don't think ANY toyota or honda sedan owners are as passionate about their cars. people LOVE their maximas! it's surprising, really, to see such a cult following for such a mainstream car. or at last that's what i've always noticed. looks like maybe the impala is on that track... which'd be nice for sure!
Maybe some of them. My father has a '97 Infiniti I-30, the Infiniti version of the Maxima. He says it's okay, but it had quite a few problems. He probably don't buy another Nissan/Infiniti. Now if only I could steer my parents away from Hondas as well... (at least I got him liking GM!)
 
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Originally posted by bigals87z28+Feb 12 2004, 08:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigals87z28 @ Feb 12 2004, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by TaHoE@Feb 12 2004, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by bigals87z28@Feb 12 2004, 02:28 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-tom
@Feb 11 2004, 09:58 PM
The Nissan Altima/Maxima share a platform with the AWD Murano.  Does anyone know about an AWD Altima/Maxima coming soon?

thats a big negative.

Murano/FX/G35 coupe/sedan/350z all share the same RWD chassis.

altima and maxima share whatever FWD crap they are on now.

No he was right:

Altima/Maxima/Murano are all on the FWD midsize platform

G35/FX/350Z are all RWD platforms wich are versions of the the Skyline GTR chassis.... (lightly based of course)
reaaaaaaly? I thought the FX and Murano were the same chassis? [/b][/quote]
Don't worry, thats what I initially thought as well, but the FX is RWD and the Murano is FWD...I believe the Quest is also based off of the FFM platform
 
Originally posted by cyboexpo2002+Feb 12 2004, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cyboexpo2002 @ Feb 12 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-paul8488@Feb 12 2004, 02:33 PM
it's amazing what a following the maxima has... i don't think ANY toyota or honda sedan owners are as passionate about their cars. people LOVE their maximas! it's surprising, really, to see such a cult following for such a mainstream car. or at last that's what i've always noticed. looks like maybe the impala is on that track... which'd be nice for sure!
Maybe some of them. My father has a '97 Infiniti I-30, the Infiniti version of the Maxima. He says it's okay, but it had quite a few problems. He probably don't buy another Nissan/Infiniti. Now if only I could steer my parents away from Hondas as well... (at least I got him liking GM!) [/b][/quote]
that's just it though... it's not so much a quality/dependability/platform sorta thing... from what i grasp maxima drivers love maximas. period. not everyone, mind you... but the ones that have owned generation after generation of maxima. one of those sorta unexplained (well not totally... the maxima's alwyas been a decent car) love affairs... like dudes who get the fiero :)

<--- 'gets' the fiero
 
Originally posted by TaHoE@Feb 12 2004, 03:10 PM
Don't worry, thats what I initially thought as well, but the FX is RWD and the Murano is FWD...I believe the Quest is also based off of the FFM platform
The FM platform is the basis of the G/FX and 350Z while the FFL platform is the basis for the Maxima/Altima, Murano, and Quest.
 
A friend of mine has a 2002 Altima.

He gave me a lift one day and the ride quality reminded me of the harshness that my 98 cavalier had. Didn't impress me at all.

I was further disappointed when he had to have it towed to the dealer twice because it wouldn't start on really cold mornings (about -28 C).

It took 5 weeks for the faulty sensor to be shipped from Japan.
 
Originally posted by tgagneguam+Feb 8 2004, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tgagneguam @ Feb 8 2004, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SteveWallace@Feb 8 2004, 07:03 PM
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@Feb 8 2004, 08:32 AM
For me, Nissan's cars are OK overall.  From a design, technical innovation, and especially quality standpoint, they certainly have nothing over GM.  Of course, I cannot help but think that Nissan has unfairly ridden Toyota's and Honda's "Japanese-do-it-better coattails" to higher sales.


I have to disagree with ya here. Nissan puts GM to shame in terms of performance (minus Corvette of course). I went to Nissan because GM didn't feel that it was nessisary to put a manual tranny in their "performance" sedans. Plus I'm not one for forced induction, I think it's the easy way out. Nissan's 3.5 motor is incredibly smooth and responsive. Pontiac's blown GP GTP motor equals the 3.5 in HP and only edges the 3.5 in Torque. Remember though that the 3.5 is smaller and N/A. I went to Nissan to actually buy a 2k2 Altima when the came out, but I was scared off by the interior. I ended up in a 2k2 Maxima with a better interior and more options for less than I could have gotten an Altima for anyway. I just hope that the new interior is better than the old one.
Nissan has absolutely nothing on GM: Not quality, not design, not manufacturing ability, not engineering prowess... nothing. And I absolutely stand by my opinion. [/b][/quote]
If anything, design is much better than GM. GM doesnt seem to know what design is.
 
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