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Wait. If I go buy a Xpress or Savannah now, in 2026 GM will give me a new lektrik van? Holy moly, I will take that deal.
 
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Tell you what… I would love an Explorer Conversion van based on the standard wheelbase GMC Savana 2500 with a 6.6L small-block. This would be if money was no object and I had about a dozen other vehicles first.

These old vans in some ways are the best.
 
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74 miles isn't too much, should be ideal for many users of the new trucks.

Some current ICE trucks seem top heavy with so many parts stored up high in the truck - low down batteries should keep the center of gravity down low.
My 2021 4.3 Express currently gets about 600 miles to a tank of gas and I drive it about 400-500 miles a day on average. They can kiss my rear end if they think I'm going to be sitting around for hours a day waiting for the batteries to recharge.

Planning on buying 1 last one in 24 or 25 MY and then they lose my business.
 
My 2021 4.3 Express currently gets about 600 miles to a tank of gas and I drive it about 400-500 miles a day on average. They can kiss my rear end if they think I'm going to be sitting around for hours a day waiting for the batteries to recharge.

Planning on buying 1 last one in 24 or 25 MY and then they lose my business.
That's why they quoted the average user, which BEV is more than fine for. You are apparently drive a lot more than the average so you'd have to wait for one of the succeeding generations of Ultium as noted here: GM: EV Program Will Show Profit By 2025; Bolt CY22 Sales...
 
That's why they quoted the average user, which BEV is more than fine for. You are apparently drive a lot more than the average so you'd have to wait for one of the succeeding generations of Ultium as noted here: GM: EV Program Will Show Profit By 2025; Bolt CY22 Sales...
Trust me nobody in the courier business is going to be the transition to electric anytime soon it's not cost effective and we can't pass the cost along to the customers.

I don't plan on retiring until 2042 but if I can't cobble together gasoline or diesel powered vehicles at any point up until then I will just shut the business down and do something else
 
Trust me nobody in the courier business is going to be the transition to electric anytime soon it's not cost effective and we can't pass the cost along to the customers.

I don't plan on retiring until 2042 but if I can't cobble together gasoline or diesel powered vehicles at any point up until then I will just shut the business down and do something else
There are people who disagree with you.

 
Trust me nobody in the courier business is going to be the transition to electric anytime soon it's not cost effective and we can't pass the cost along to the customers.

I don't plan on retiring until 2042 but if I can't cobble together gasoline or diesel powered vehicles at any point up until then I will just shut the business down and do something else
How is it not cost effective?
 
How is it not cost effective?
Let's see. Replacement vehicle cost possibly $25,000 to $30,000 more. Not able to book as much work because sitting around recharging. My personal electric rates have increased as a percentage greater then the cost of gasoline, with no signs of coming down because even cheap natural gas generation isn't clean enough for some.

Battery replacement cost double of engine replacement cost.

Do you need me to list more reasons? I can't pass these on to the customer when their are still cheaper ways to do it by switching to a Ford or Mercedes.
 
There are people who disagree with you.

Disagreement from a Washington, D.C. based lobbying group headed by the "Deputy Director of Community Outreach on Senator Joe Lieberman’s 2004 presidential campaign" only reinforces what unkillsam mentioned in post #29: absent gummint "support", couriers aren't switching en-masse to electric vehicles anytime soon.
 
There are people who disagree with you.

A lobbying group with an agenda by the looks of the web page.
 
Let's see. Replacement vehicle cost possibly $25,000 to $30,000 more. Not able to book as much work because sitting around recharging. My personal electric rates have increased as a percentage greater then the cost of gasoline, with no signs of coming down because even cheap natural gas generation isn't clean enough for some.

Battery replacement cost double of engine replacement cost.

Do you need me to list more reasons? I can't pass these on to the customer when their are still cheaper ways to do it by switching to a Ford or Mercedes.
Well, OK Mister Negative!! Maybe, just maybe, they were talking about THESE Couriers! Yeah!

BTW, that '59 Courier looks very much like an Edsel. Don't say I didn't warn you! 👽
 
How is it not cost effective?
From an overseas perspective, part of my employer’s fleet includes 5 minibus shuttles and a few mail vans, all turbo-diesel. The shuttles run almost constantly 8 hours a day (brief stopover pauses for timed passenger pickups) totalling 250 kms per day, less for the vans. In other words, all very do-able if BEV. If these vehicles were replaced by BEV, our reduction in running costs alone would be significant. Plus less and far cheaper maintenance, which means less time off the road (plus having to supply fewer rental substitutes). Plus of course being a vehicle purchased for business-use means it’s a tax write off anyway. Plus btw no chance of misfuelling! 😉
 
From an overseas perspective, part of my employer’s fleet includes 5 minibus shuttles and a few mail vans, all turbo-diesel. The shuttles run almost constantly 8 hours a day (brief stopover pauses for timed passenger pickups) totalling 250 kms per day, less for the vans. In other words, all very do-able if BEV. If these vehicles were replaced by BEV, our reduction in running costs alone would be significant. Plus less and far cheaper maintenance, which means less time off the road (plus having to supply fewer rental substitutes). Plus of course being a vehicle purchased for business-use means it’s a tax write off anyway. Plus btw no chance of misfuelling! 😉
Yeah, that's how I see it.
 
Let's see. Replacement vehicle cost possibly $25,000 to $30,000 more. Not able to book as much work because sitting around recharging. My personal electric rates have increased as a percentage greater then the cost of gasoline, with no signs of coming down because even cheap natural gas generation isn't clean enough for some.

Battery replacement cost double of engine replacement cost.

Do you need me to list more reasons? I can't pass these on to the customer when their are still cheaper ways to do it by switching to a Ford or Mercedes.
Why are you assuming a new BEV cargo van will cost so much more? Are you replacing your vans with a Hummer? See this thread: (1) GM: EV Program Will Show Profit By 2025; Bolt CY22 Sales Will Show Loss | GM Inside News Forum

Electric rates certainly have gone up, but I bet the cost of filling up your BEV will still be less than gas. Should we talk about diesel and how much that costs?

Why are you assuming any BEV you buy will need a battery replacement? We've seen the splashy "my battery failed at 50k miles" articles, but those seem to be the outlier and there are plenty of stories of battery packs still going strong that are over 200k miles. Plus, those are generally stories from people with older vehicles and therefore older battery tech.

I'd have to say you've not given me anything but worst possible case scenarios and assumptions.
 
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