Haha, nice... thats all I can say :lol:

 

Who doesn't think Toyota is just another company?

Zealots.

On both sides.

On one side, you've got people who think Toyota is perfect.
On the other, you've got people who think Toyota is the devil.

The reality is, they're just another company.

MF

 

I'm not so sure this is an as important topic as some are trying to fashion it. Besides, you can pick on Toyota all you want, but their PR department is far better at massaging a corporate image than GM's. Whether or not the image is based on truth or not, it's fair to say that in general Toyota enjoys a better image than GM. And I don't think it's a grand conspiracy on American media's part, nor do I think it's an accident.

 

I wouldnt sit here and call Toyota's PR the best or better then GM, on the other side GMs PR people have been able to keep the company rolling even with its extremely bad image and press it has been getting. They do such a good job that its hard to say what is a PR move and what isnt at GM, its not typical PR moves.

Toyota has had it easy being a fav. of the press for many years.

 

Screw 'em.

 

Remember GM's retarded efforts during the 1960s when Nader was the enemy?
If a corporation behaves ethically, they won't have to scramble to make up siht to cover their asses. Big shots typically think their huge egos trump the need for honesty, and they can get away with things the common man can't. Often they do; look at congress. But everyone crashes and burns the same.
And the beat goes on...

 

Remember GM's retarded efforts during the 1960s when Nader was the enemy?

Considering I wasn't yet born and I'm still old enough to have had a child in his/her teens, no...

 

The official numbers of women's influence of automotive purchases are 80-85%. Women actually purchase over 40% of new vehicles now.

 

One thing is for certain, if a Ford or GM Executive had been fooling around in the office, the Automotive and mainstream press would be howling about this being demonstrative of every thing that is bad in the US auto industry, but because it's Toyota, it hardly rates a peep in the news.

 

I really didn't expect him to rant about Toyota like that, but he is right!

 

I really didn't expect him to rant about Toyota like that, but he is right!

he calls GM wrong when they are...he is mainly on the side of the Americans; he is like Flint who tries to give constructive criticism.

he always rants about toyota and their "green jeans" BS.

 

One thing is for certain, if a Ford or GM Executive had been fooling around in the office, the Automotive and mainstream press would be howling about this being demonstrative of every thing that is bad in the US auto industry, but because it's Toyota, it hardly rates a peep in the news.

I saw it on the news, and tabloids had a field day with it.

 

Could not see our guys (Wagoner and Lutz) mess up like that .

 

Wanted - Senior executive for hands-on position.
Must have firm grasp of job responsibilities and able to handle any contingency, including all situations that require plausible deniability.
Work is characterized by long hours, considerable travel, and numerous limousine rides totally unrelated to the work-at-hand.
Groping skills are a plus.

 

i really agree with alot of peters ideas...he is really astute and pretty objective from what i've read. toyota is just another company...get over it!

 

Could not see our guys (Wagoner and Lutz) mess up like that .

Does Wagoner even have a wife??? I mean, he's not exactly a lady's man.

 

I LOVE IT! :yup:

 

Toyota absolutely hates to have anything disrupt their plan for world domination. And make no mistake, this sexual harassment case has brought dishonor to management in Japan, and they're quaking in their boots about it, because heaven forbid anyone get the impression that Toyota is just another corporate entity no different from any other corporate entity in the world. After all, in their minds Toyota and the Toyota "way" is superior to any other company, and even though they want everyone to believe that their "Aw, shucks, we're just humble citizens keeping our heads down focusing on the next improvement" schtick is who they really are, the reality of Toyota is much different. It's a company obsessed with convincing America and Americans that they're a proud American company, when in fact they will never be - no matter how they spin it.

That's right, world domination. Too many people may be blinded by the nazi style ways of toyota, but I for one am not. They are a ruthless company that will destroy the fabric of America if they could. Toyota is evil. I will not be tricked. And noone willl convince me otherwise. I do not want to grow old knowing Japan defeated America.

 

Does Wagoner even have a wife??? I mean, he's not exactly a lady's man.

Yes married with 3 children .

 

That's right, world domination. Too many people may be blinded by the nazi style ways of toyota, but I for one am not. They are a ruthless company that will destroy the fabric of America if they could. Toyota is evil. I will not be tricked. And noone willl convince me otherwise. I do not want to grow old knowing Japan defeated America.

:rotf:I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.

Really, no company is infallible. It's one guy who screwed up, CEO or not. I don't see how this all of a sudden discredits Toyota as a company.

Better yet, I don't remember any other automakers saying anything about women in the auto-industry, influenced by a sexual harassment case or not.

I really don't believe there are more than a handful of people out there who think so highly of Toyota as a company.

 

This is like a bloody nose for Toyota. It doesn't help there squeaky clean reputation. LOL

 

Toyota is evil. I will not be tricked. And noone willl convince me otherwise. I do not want to grow old knowing Japan defeated America.

I guess there is hope in this world when I read this from someone living in California!

 

This is what I'm tired of seeing: "Press Promotion to President a First for Toyota America".

"Sure the old President/CEO was a little too 'hands-on', but look, an American is now the President of Toyota America. They really are an American company now!" - Sheep

 

Remember GM's retarded efforts during the 1960s when Nader was the enemy?
If a corporation behaves ethically, they won't have to scramble to make up siht to cover their asses. Big shots typically think their huge egos trump the need for honesty, and they can get away with things the common man can't. Often they do; look at congress. But everyone crashes and burns the same.
And the beat goes on...

Exactly right. Others, with direct knowledge, have said here that women are not treated with adequate respect in Japan, i.e.; it's the custom. This is no excuse at all. We all, especially those in positions of power over others, have a responsibility to think of other people and how our actions affect them. So he knew he was wrong before, during and after he did it. OK, I'm assuming he was guilty, but Toyota seems to be doing the same and I don't think they're making an assumption.

Really, no company is infallible. It's one guy who screwed up, CEO or not. I don't see how this all of a sudden discredits Toyota as a company.

Better yet, I don't remember any other automakers saying anything about women in the auto-industry, influenced by a sexual harassment case or not.

It wasn't just one guy screwing up. Toyota, and every other organization, commercial and otherwise, should have procedures in place to provide people who feel they have been treated unfairly a way to get redress. Toyota seems not to have such procedures and she was apparently told to 'work it out' with the offending party. No even close to adequate.

I don't think I've read anything about the percentage of engineers, product planners, etc. of the various companies who are women, and GM nor the others are capable of manufacturing qualified people of any gender, race, etc. They have to hire from the available talent. But, whether the percentages of buyers/influencers is 40/50-80/90 or whatever, there is no reason why women should not be consulted extensively in determining many choices in what's available in areas such as safety, color and many other factors. This is just good business. I've read snippets from time to time indicating GM has a lot of room for improvement in this regard. Camaro's, VVT, etc. are nice, but getting all useful input from woman is doable and should be done.

 

I wouldnt sit here and call Toyota's PR the best or better then GM, on the other side GMs PR people have been able to keep the company rolling even with its extremely bad image and press it has been getting. They do such a good job that its hard to say what is a PR move and what isnt at GM, its not typical PR moves.

Toyota has had it easy being a fav. of the press for many years.

You're right. GM has such a negative image because its PR department is tops in the industry. Sure, that makes perfect sense.