[AWHoden]

Also, quite common to see a Subaru driven by a "female that is attracted to other females". I hadn't really thought about it until it was brought to my attention. Sure enough, a large percentage are.

It's not just females/females, Subaru embraces diversity and actively pursues the gay customer base.....sure, it's marketing....but it seems to work for them considering they sell so well with our group.

 

[BlackGTP]

10 (22 actually due to ties) least reliable models overall:

1. Volkswagen ID.4, reliability score 29
2. Genesis G70, 29
3. Toyota Tacoma, 29
4. Mazda CX-90, 29
5. BMW iX, 29
6. Ford F-150 Lightning, 28
7. Jeep Wrangler, 27
8. Nissan Frontier, 27
9. Audi Q8 E-Tron, 26
10. Tesla Model X, 24
11. Volkswagen Taos, 24
12. Jeep Grand Cherokee, 22
13. Jeep Grand Cherokee L, 22
14. Ford Escape Hybrid, 21
15. Rivian R1T, 20
16. Chevy Colorado, 15
17. GMC Canyon, 15
18. Mazda CX-90 PHEV, 15
19. Rivian R1S, 9
20. Ford F-150 Hybrid, 7
21. Cadillac Lyriq, 5
22. Chevrolet Blazer EV, 5

Makes a little more sense when I see the Lyriq and Blazer - no surprise with the bricking problems they had and their dragging down their entire brands.

I keep going back to JD Powers and their substantially different results. I know JD Power includes tech that the consumer can't figure out, does CR do that?

 

[JustinChase]

"Holy Toledo, Batman!" This is rubbish territory.

 

[wallus13]

Lots of software issues with Colorado/Canyon/Lyriq and Blazer EV. GM needs to get their **** together on that front.

 

[AWHoden]

"Holy Toledo, Batman!" This is rubbish territory.

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Considering there are 285 models for sale in America.....is it really? Sure, it sucks, but if even the Blazer EV is in the top 10%, how bad is #285?

 

[Cruising in a Cruze]

GM's showing is pretty pathetic. Have any of you ever watched the channel TowTruck Dustin on YouTube? He picks up the occasional GM EV but more often he is towing late model GM trucks. I've been watching for 3-4 months and every week he tows a late model GM truck or full-size SUV that died. By late model I mean a 2023 or 2024. Fuel pump or fuel related problem is the cause.

 

[BlackGTP]

Considering there are 285 models for sale in America.....is it really? Sure, it sucks, but if even the Blazer EV is in the top 10%, how bad is #285?

I think you are reading the list incorrectly; the Blazer EV is at the bottom of the list.

But, on a brighter note I've not heard of any major issues with the Lyriq or Blazer recently, so hopefully the worst is in the past and their scores will get somewhere acceptable.

 

[AWHoden]

I think you are reading the list incorrectly; the Blazer EV is at the bottom of the list.

But, on a brighter note I've not heard of any major issues with the Lyriq or Blazer recently, so hopefully the worst is in the past and their scores will get somewhere acceptable.

I just read the list in his post

By propulsion type:

I don't know that I believe that. I don't see PHEV's or EV's broken down on the side of the road.....maybe this is counting software issues?

 

[AWHoden]

I think you are reading the list incorrectly; the Blazer EV is at the bottom of the list.

But, on a brighter note I've not heard of any major issues with the Lyriq or Blazer recently, so hopefully the worst is in the past and their scores will get somewhere acceptable.

Read it out of context. My bad.

Cue the posts telling me to have more testicular fortitude regarding my faux pas.......

 

[JustinChase]

Considering there are 285 models for sale in America.....is it really? Sure, it sucks, but if even the Blazer EV is in the top 10%, how bad is #285?

Predicted reliability.... 5 (on a scale of 1 - 100)

I just read the list in his post

I don't know that I believe that. I don't see PHEV's or EV's broken down on the side of the road.....maybe this is counting software issues?

So, if you don't see a car on the side of the road, then it's reliable?

 

[mtuffy]

10 (22 actually due to ties) least reliable models overall:

1. Volkswagen ID.4, reliability score 29
2. Genesis G70, 29
3. Toyota Tacoma, 29
4. Mazda CX-90, 29
5. BMW iX, 29
6. Ford F-150 Lightning, 28
7. Jeep Wrangler, 27
8. Nissan Frontier, 27
9. Audi Q8 E-Tron, 26
10. Tesla Model X, 24
11. Volkswagen Taos, 24
12. Jeep Grand Cherokee, 22
13. Jeep Grand Cherokee L, 22
14. Ford Escape Hybrid, 21
15. Rivian R1T, 20
16. Chevy Colorado, 15
17. GMC Canyon, 15
18. Mazda CX-90 PHEV, 15
19. Rivian R1S, 9
20. Ford F-150 Hybrid, 7
21. Cadillac Lyriq, 5
22. Chevrolet Blazer EV, 5

How is the new Tundra and Tacoma not on the list of most unreliable vehicles? I have always questioned CR metrics.

 

[JustinChase]

How is the new Tundra and Tacoma not on the list of most unreliable vehicles? I have always questioned CR metrics.

Tacoma is on that list.

 

[mtuffy]

Tacoma is on that list.

Sorry, my mistake. It should be on the very bottom of the list.

 

[JustinChase]

Sorry, my mistake. It should be on the very bottom of the list.

It is rated the 10th worst of hundreds of vehicles; do you own one or work on them?

 

[Andrew L]

I am surprised they have Subaru so high. Boxer engines are great till they aren't

 

[AWHoden]

So, if you don't see a car on the side of the road, then it's reliable?

What else would someone think? LOL No, not exactly what I'm saying. I've never seen a DeLorean on the side of the road but I know they aren't terribly reliable.

If you saw 100 Corollas on the side of the road over the course of 12 months and not one single Volt, what could be hypothesized? Not saying it's fact, but it could be construed that Corollas are less reliable than Volts. It could also be construed that Corollas are driven more often, or for more miles or that there aren't that many Volts in your area. Based on what I've seen, I see ICE vehicles on the side of the Interstate, not PHEV's or EV's. Yes, it's totally possible they break and maybe they even break more, but that chart has no source to check. What was their basis for saying PHEV's and/or EV's were less reliable? Empirical evidence? Is it because there are more parts on a PHEV vs. an ICE so they just assume there is more to break? Not saying there isn't, cuz there is, just saying from my experience and from what I've seen I'm wary of some random albeit pretty, chart making claims about reliability.

 

[gkr778]

Lots of software issues with Colorado/Canyon/Lyriq and Blazer EV. GM needs to get their **** together on that front.

That's correct wallus13. Hardware issues too, as my mom can attest to with her '24 Lyriq.

Here are details for '24 Cadillac Lyriq; the most problematic areas are "In-car electronics" and "EV battery":

 

[JustinChase]

What else would someone think? LOL No, not exactly what I'm saying. I've never seen a DeLorean on the side of the road but I know they aren't terribly reliable.

If you saw 100 Corollas on the side of the road over the course of 12 months and not one single Volt, what could be hypothesized?

They break-down at about the same rate. (there are 100 times more Corollas than Volts)

Not saying it's fact, but it could be construed that Corollas are less reliable than Volts. It could also be construed that Corollas are driven more often, or for more miles or that there aren't that many Volts in your area. Based on what I've seen, I see ICE vehicles on the side of the Interstate, not PHEV's or EV's. Yes, it's totally possible they break and maybe they even break more, but that chart has no source to check. What was their basis for saying PHEV's and/or EV's were less reliable? Empirical evidence? Is it because there are more parts on a PHEV vs. an ICE so they just assume there is more to break? Not saying there isn't, cuz there is, just saying from my experience and from what I've seen I'm wary of some random albeit pretty, chart making claims about reliability.

The chart is the results of the data, and however flawed CR data is, I don't think your "drive by analysis" of dead cars on the road is more accurate.

There is a lot more criteria involved to consider a car reliable, than being found on the side of the road dead or not....

 

[Envoy4Life]

10 (14 actually due to ties) most reliable models overall:

1. Subaru Forester, reliability score 98
2. Subaru Impreza, 89
3. Toyota RAV4, reliability score 86
4. Toyota Corolla, 84
5. Toyota RAV4 Prime, 84
6. Mazda MX-5 Miata, 84
7. Ford Mustang, 84
8. Toyota RAV4 Hybrid, 83
9. BMW i4, 82
10. Hyundai Elantra Hybrid, 79
11. Lexus NX, 77
12. Lexus NX Hybrid, 76
13. Toyota Corolla Hybrid, 76
14. Toyota Prius, 76

The Japanese continue to boat race us when it comes to making reliable cars. Nothing ever changes.

A ****ing Ford is the only one to make the most reliable list. That’s awful.

 

[Greg Burr]

A ****ing Ford is the only one to make the most reliable list. That’s awful.

Great news for Mustang owners like me