I didn't read it so thoroughly, but do they mention ANY drawback of the Camry apart from the subtle hint to its dubious image at the very beginning of the article?

Are they so positive about every new car (some European car mags sometimes are, reserving punishment for further tests and comparos), or is it just the Toyota factor?

 

The only thing in the article that is of any use is that the Camry Hybrid will rated at 43 city and 37 highway with a range of 700 miles from it's 17.1 gallon fuel tank!!!!!! Plus, it will be priced lower the the premium v6 model.

Well, how long do we wait for the next generation Malibu? What's the current fuel economy of the G6?
Will the Aura offer a hybrid and if it does will it be rated 43 city - 37 highway?

I wonder what Wagoner and Lutz think of the 07 Camry?
GM has a long way to go and little time because once the mainstream press start to sell this Camry Hybrid then the Malibu and the G6 will look even worse then they are now.

 

Is this the end! The great Toyo has arrived,everybody bow your heads in silence.G.M. inside news will now be known as Toyoinsidenews!:laugh:

 

Maybe the car can go 700 miles on a tank, but I know on those long trips most people's bladders can't, especially if they are traveling with kids.

I hope this thing is riddled with recalls. I'm getting sick of Toyota.

 

The only thing in the article that is of any use is that the Camry Hybrid will rated at 43 city and 37 highway with a range of 700 miles from it's 17.1 gallon fuel tank!!!!!! Plus, it will be priced lower the the premium v6 model.

Well, how long do we wait for the next generation Malibu? What's the current fuel economy of the G6?
Will the Aura offer a hybrid and if it does will it be rated 43 city - 37 highway?

I wonder what Wagoner and Lutz think of the 07 Camry?
GM has a long way to go and little time because once the mainstream press start to sell this Camry Hybrid then the Malibu and the G6 will look even worse then they are now.

Yes because we all know the Camry will actually achieve that mileage. Just like the Prius gets the advertised mileage. I mean we know how wonderful the Highlander hybrid turned out to be as well. I mean did it not get....worse mileage than the standard model. I could be wrong but no Toyota hybrid gets the advertised mileage. I'll wait for some real world mileage numbers before I start singing the praises of a car that rips off the latest Mazda styling cues and yet some manages to screw them all up.

 

it is hard for ANY vehicle to get the advertised mileage ...

 

<Let's all genuflect before the great Toyota sombrerro.>

 

it is hard for ANY vehicle to get the advertised mileage ...

True but there is difference. When you have the Prius missing the advertised mileage by double digits and the standard Highlander getting better mileage than the hybrid model, which also misses it target by double digits BTW, you have a right to complain. We aren't talking 3 or 4 mpg we are talking 10 or more mpg. I mean my car is rated 37mpg HWY but I usually get between 32 to 34 mpg. I can chalk that small difference up to the fact that I usually drive between 75-80mph. How can you explain the gaping differences for the vaunted Toyota Hybrids?

 

Quote: With the Camry so overwhelmingly competent, it's hard to find faults even when you go looking for them. There was one that did stand out - the seats, which aren't at all comfortable for tall, lanky drivers like this one. Taller folks will likely find the lower seat cushions just too short, and the backrests are noticeable devoid of mid-back support. Those in that same category might find sunroof-equipped cars to be short on headroom, too, so make sure you try with the seat properly adjusted before you buy.

Lets see there is also the issue that it has a smaller trunk than last years model, copies Mazda and many other dopey japanese cars for styling, is utterly forgettable looking on the sides with it's naked ready for jammed doors, has gained no power at all on it's main selling 4 banger model with stunning 10 second 0-60 accelleration and is more than likey going to be more troublesome than it's simpler predecessor with all the razzle dazzle technology. Hopefully the Aura powertrain will at least be able to keep up with this one because the Aura kills this dog of a car in styling.

 

Quote: If you don't have your mind made up as to which Camry you want, you might have to take a few test drives, as there's never been such a range in feel between the base four-cylinder car and the top-line V-6 luxury XLE and sporty SE.
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Where is the "paid advertisement" warning? It's a foregone conclusion in that guy's head that whoever reads his review is going to buy one... That's not exactly impartial in my book.

 

Maybe the car can go 700 miles on a tank, but I know on those long trips most people's bladders can't, especially if they are traveling with kids.

What's the point of this post? Just because a car has a long range doesn't mean its ONLY advantage is being able to drive the entire range without stopping.

 

well we gotta wait until HOW long for the new malibu?

the malibu interior absolutely looks like PISS compared to this.

that said, the malibu's exterior makes the camry look like an ugly duckling

 

has gained no power at all on it's main selling 4 banger model with stunning 10 second 0-60 accelleration

That really stood out to me as well. With all of the Camry's improvements, it's bread-and-butter is genuinely unimpressive, both in power and MPG. Given fuel costs, I would have thought they would have done more for their four-bangers. Maybe they're trying to push more people for the hybrid, which sounds very impressive; not so much for the MPG but for it's respectable power. On the other hand, that didn't help the Accord Hybrid much.

 

The only thing i wish was that GM's 4 cyl engines got comparable mileage to toyota and hondas 4's. GM's 3.5 is the v6 mileage champ, but the 2.2 only gets 1 or 2 more mpg.

The camry is still ugly, i don't particularly care for japanese styling though. I think the Fusion is more than competitive enough with this new camry and accord. The malibu needs some help though. The mechanicals are good enough, it just needs to look less generic brand, especially in the interior. Something i'm sure will be taken care of on its next redesign.

 

The Camry's V6 is going to make the G6 GTP and Malibu SS look really bad. The only advantage the GTP will have on the Camry performance-wise will be a manual transmission.

 

While I don't care for the Camry's exterior or interior, I wish GM could keep up with what other car companies are doing in terms of powertrains. The Big 3 have got to get serious about making competitive V6s and offering transmissions better than their beloved 3-speed + OD.

 

...Ughh...Whaterver, more blandmobiles on the road.

 

The Camry hybrid might not get the posted advertised milege but they will put more distance between them and the Malibu.
All the customers will see is that at least Toyota has hybrids for it's mainstream sedans.

This Camry might look like a red-headed Mazda knockoff but it will sell in droves.

 

The Malibu is in a totally different class than the Camry IMO. Impala=Camry in my book.

 

The Malibu is in a totally different class than the Camry IMO. Impala=Camry in my book.

If that's the case, then which Toyota model does the Malibu compete with? I think the Impala squares off most closely with the Avalon, and Malibu with the Camry. (Although the Avalon's target audience is probably closer to Buick's then Chevy's).

I don't think the new Camry is ugly. It certainly isn't breaking any ground design-wise, but there are no offensive elements to it, and it at least has more personality than the last generation. The performance figures for the hybrid (0-60 in 9.4 seconds) suck considering that it's almost 200 horsepower combined. For as much output as the V6 model has, I'm not too impressed by its 0-60 either, considering an Accord with a 25-horsepower deficit can beat it by a half second.

This quote was most interesting to me:

As it's likely to continue its best-selling status, there are few other models you can buy that assure more anonymity.

I guess that some people see that as a good thing...

Either this car is God's gift to the automotive landscape, or this article is too heavily biased in favor of this car. I find it hard to believe that an automotive journalist could not find any nits to pick if he wanted to.

 

While I don't like the look of the new Camry at all, I'm sure the 4-cylinder will do just fine, though having to rev up to get going is an annoying feature of every 4-cylinder Camry I have ever driven. The V6 Im sure will be just fine, and the hybrid will at least look good to environmentalists. I hope GM gets moving on their hybrids...

 

The Malibu is in a totally different class than the Camry IMO. Impala=Camry in my book.

An when talking base models I would bet much cheaper too. The current 06 cars look like this
Malibu LS automatic $16990
Camry base automatic $19855

a difference of $2865 which puts it into a different price point too. The 06 Impala starts at $20990 with a std V6 so that is indeed a better competitor.

 

I have no idea why the Accord doesn't outsell the Camry. It has been a better car than the Camry since, well, ever...

 

If that's the case, then which Toyota model does the Malibu compete with? I think the Impala squares off most closely with the Avalon, and Malibu with the Camry. (Although the Avalon's target audience is probably closer to Buick's then Chevy's).

Man I don't know. I see your point. Maybe the Corolla? Chevy has too many similiar models to compare. The Impala about equalls Toyota's size and blandness though. I agree 100% that an Avalon shopper is probably a Buick candidate though.

 

The Malibu is in a totally different class than the Camry IMO. Impala=Camry in my book.

Agreed - the Malibu is too small and low budget to be seriously considered with the CamCord. The Impala is a better fit against the Camry while the G6 and upcoming Aura are a better fit against the Accord.

I wish a non biased source would compare real world fuel economy between all midsize sedans.