[mgescuro]

cool, looks good kind of has the iszusu axiom / new audi suv look to it. I like it though, thats not a slam in any way.

I actually liked the look of the Axiom.

 

[FightingChance]

The REDLINE AURA will come out after the first of '07. It will be at least 325 hp:yup:

:whoa:

 

[uboys]

looks hot, I like it.

Now lets see a great interior and a reasonable price tag and people will give saturn a chance and this is what GM needs the most, a chance to win back some traitors.

Calling them traitors isn't going to win them. Guilt doesn't sell cars, good cars sell themselves.

 

[boblutzfan]

From what I can see, it looks good.

For A.V.:
When have manufacturers shown a sneak peek of a base model? Does that make sense? This is the loaded unit.

If all you are doing is showing teaser shots of the exterior it doesn't make that much difference. Now you are right - when it comes to press releases - all manufacturers ever do is show the fully loaded model - which I expect to see on Wednesday.

However, the rear quarter sneak peek of the Outlook is clearly marked XE which has been confirmed to be the base model. I expect the same holds true for the Aura. If GM really wants to compete with a higher level of vehicles then they are going to have to start giving their base models more standard equipment which is exactly what I predict will happen with the Aura and Outlook. If you want the base model then go and buy a stripped Malibu or G6. I expect the Aura and Outlook to come standard with many items that are options on the lesser GM brands.

If GM were smart they would anticipate the public and media's expectation that their cars will be lame - leak sneak peeks of the base model (while everyone thinks this is the fully loaded model) and then blow everyone away on Wednesday in New York with the XR model of each of these vehicles.

We all jumped the gun over the 3.9L replacing the 3.6L V6 - now I think we are jumping the gun over these images being the top trim level. I predict that they are not. We will see the XR trim level at the show. I think GM (Lutz) is pulling out all the stops to give Saturn the best chance of survival it can. If the Sky Redline and the upcoming Aura Redline aren't proof - then I don't know what else they can do.

I have high hopes for Saturn and I for one can't wait to see the top line versions of each of these vehicles in a day and a half.

 

[boblutzfan]

Calling them traitors isn't going to win them. Guilt doesn't sell cars, good cars sell themselves.

Exactly. They may have abandoned the domestic car ship - but I wouldn't call them traitors. Not even on a GM site. It will just piss them off. We know what they are - but like Bob Lutz said: "Product Product Product" That is what we need to win them back.

I think we will see some of this "Product" on Wednesday.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

From what I can see, it looks good.

For A.V.:
When have manufacturers shown a sneak peek of a base model? Does that make sense? This is the loaded unit.

What post are you responding to? I couldn't find it in the last 3 pages. I must be missing it, because there's no reason to comment on a post that's no longer part of active discussion.

If I can remember correctly, I made the base trim comment in reference to the Aura, which we already know is a base model. The GM sneak peak of the bra/ke light of the Outlook also said XE, not XR, so that was also a base model. So there are two recent examples of base models being displayed. Stay sharp.


Edit: Ah, it's way back on page 1! No reason to think that this sneak peak has to be loaded, when the original Outlook teaser had the badging of a base model unit. See also Aura. I think you are the one making the leap, here.

 

[zaxxis]

Please, please show me how the Outlook's headlights came off the Relay? They are absolutely nothing alike....why don't you at least wait to see the whole thing so as to make an informed opinion, not just random, baseless rantings. Thanks.

In all honestly, I thought the same thing. Just looking at this picture (of the outlook) and looking at similar profile of the Relay, you could see a relation between the Relay and the Outlook. This is because you don't have the "full frame of reference" of the outlook to go off of. Regardless, they do look similar when taken in that context. The scary thing is, the Relay looks 3 or 4 generations old!

Wow, could people whine and complain just a little bit more....? I'm not sure we've cried enough on this site yet.

Can everyone please stop gushing over it as well? It goes both ways. This is a discussion forum, which includes positive comments and negatives. Maybe we should just lock the thread?

-Z

 

[chaseabryant]

Okay, what I am not understanding is why everybody is looking at this crappy picture and deciding whether or not the grille is Chrome or plastic. It looks to me like the grille IS in fact chrome, and we just have a crappy, low resolution picture to look at. The only plastic piece I see is the surround for the fog lights. I could be wrong, however If the grille is indeed grey plastic, I am seeing reflections in areas there shouldn't be any.

on another note, I think it looks amazing so far, I can't wait to see the whole thing now!

-Chase

 

[boblutzfan]

What post are you responding to? I couldn't find it in the last 3 pages. I must be missing it, because there's no reason to comment on a post that's no longer part of active discussion.

If I can remember correctly, I made the base trim comment in reference to the Aura, which we already know is a base model. The GM sneak peak of the bra/ke light of the Outlook also said XE, not XR, so that was also a base model. So there are two recent examples of base models being displayed. Stay sharp.


Edit: Ah, it's way back on page 1! No reason to think that this sneak peak has to be loaded, when the original Outlook teaser had the badging of a base model unit. See also Aura. I think you are the one making the leap, here.

Yes, several sources have indicated that XE is the base trim - although I imagine it will be well loaded compared to base Malibu and G6 offerings. Clearly the Outlook teasers have been of the base model. Saturn is saving the XR for the show.

 

[SUPERBADD75]

I actually liked the look of the Axiom.

i kind of did too, but the Joe Isuzu commercials made me want to vomit.

 

[2648562]

I guess the little "character line" above the foglight is really where the Redline's foglights/duct work will reside???

 

[boblutzfan]

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=578131&postcount=499

I don't know how this looks like the Relay. Anyone who thinks this looks like the Relay will question their optics come Wednesday. Take this teaser image in light of all the spy shots we have seen and you have a full size CUV that has more incommon with the Aura sedan than Relay or any other GM vehicle.

 

[boblutzfan]

Relay for comparison.

 

[toronado10]

The Enclave still looks better.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

You can say that already?

 

[2648562]

The Enclave still looks better.

Let's hope it stays looking that way!

 

[boblutzfan]

The Enclave still looks better.

Yes - and it should. It will probably be much higher priced. Although, remember that the Enclave was 95% production. We still don't know what 5% change will do to the look of it. The Aura changed from concept to production and showed that even the small changes (less than concept G6 to production G6) make a big difference.

The Enclave will look the nicest as it is supposed to compete with Lexus, The Acadia will look the truckiest leaving the Outlook to be more mainstream and Honda like.

I like GM's plan for these vehicles and am glad that the first full look we have of the Outlook will be in production form. What we see is what we get.

 

[Phillip]

The REDLINE AURA will come out after the first of '07. It will be at least 325 hp:yup:

:blink:

With AWD?

 

[8>4]

The Enclave still looks better.

Better or different depending on your opinion. As long as they aren't relay/terraza style rebadges (which they aren't) GM is starting to turn things around.

 

[boblutzfan]

Better or different depending on your opinion. As long as they aren't relay/terraza style rebadges (which they aren't) GM is starting to turn things around.

Yes, it appears that with the exception of a few examples (Nox/Torrent comes to mind) GM is beginning to leverage the idea of platform sharing and not rebadges. The Lambdas appear to be well differentiated and share the core components to make them good business cases but have different styling and character to appeal to different models.

Sharing steering wheels and radios does not make a vehicle a rebadge. It is when you share everything from sheet metal to dashboards - like the Nox/Torrent.