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RERM said:
GM and Cadillac should stop ********************footing around (what's gotten them in trouble in the first place) and build the following:

1. CTS - V6
2. CTSV - V8 (Northstar or Vette, WHO CARES!!! as long as it has at least 400H.P.)
3. STS - V6, V8 (300 to 375 H.P.)
4. STSV- V10 (500H.P. to 650 H.P.)
5. DTS - V8, V12
6. DTSV - Twin T V12 (650H.P. +)
7. XLR - V8, Twin T V12 (450H.P. to 700H.P.)
8. Escalade - V8 (400H.P.)
9. EscaladeV- V10
10. SRX - V6, V8
11. SRXV- V10
12. Sixteen (do I really need to explain)

Cadillac is supposed to be a super luxury brand, treat it that way, leave mass market luxury to Buick (wow!! could that be a new focus for the division).

Cadillac made it's name as the brand of wretched excess...DO IT, NO CADILLAC SHOULD BE OUT HORSEPOWERED BY ANY LUXURY CAR PERIOD.

Affordable luxury, sales volume = BUICK.
Itz just that simple.
Figure the odds.... :eek:
 
I read with interest about the Super V CTS as put in the Auto News article. It showed to have 600HP.This was in the August 02,2004 edition. Was it a test mule or was it something that will be around in the future?
 
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jlt0x said:
It would be nice to have the option to either have a 4.6L V8, the 4.4L SC V8, or the V10...and of course the 3.6L/3.9L V6. Having those range of engine selections gives the customer an opportunity to purchase the vehicle with the characteristics they really want.

Do I want a relaxed street cruiser (3.6/3.9L) or a super street bruiser (V10) or something in-between? And having those engines being available in the entire Cadillac line-up make for a 'plethora' of choices...just within the luxury brand. With each engine, there should be additional standard interior & exterior options that would be installed.

Think BMW. Each model series has at least 2-3 different engines to choose from. Do you want a V6, a V8 or a V10...just check the box and 'there ya go'. Enjoy. That type of product selection should work for Cadillac, Saab, Buick, and Saturn.
Hear, hear! Snafu, could you please send this message registered mail, return receipt requested, to The Head GM Suit. Why are M-B and BMW so successful: top quality products with lots of choices.
 
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troll said:
Hear, hear! Snafu, could you please send this message registered mail, return receipt requested, to The Head GM Suit. Why are M-B and BMW so successful: top quality products with lots of choices.
JD Power would disagree with you about the "top quality" part when it comes to MB, at least. Not sure about BMW: given I hate their cars and everything that company stands for, I don't pay much attention to them...
 
I'm still confused. I thought that GM was working on a V-12 OHC engine for Cadillac?? And now I hear V-10? Whats going on here? Anyone know that can explain? Thanks.
 
hudson32 said:
I'm still confused. I thought that GM was working on a V-12 OHC engine for Cadillac?? And now I hear V-10? Whats going on here? Anyone know that can explain? Thanks.

Now the word is that the V-10 won't see the light of day. The SC LS2 engine might be most popular choice, but I think we will see a combination of the SC LS2 and the V-12 throught the caddy line-up.
 
68CoupeDeVille said:
I don't get it. Who gives a rat's booty if it's OHV or OHC if it performs the way you want it to?
Image is everything. The press, aka Toyohondassan/BMW/etc PR departments, will rip most OHV things to shreds simply because it's not OHC like their beloved German/Japanese engines...
 
bballer113 said:
Now the word is that the V-10 won't see the light of day. The SC LS2 engine might be most popular choice, but I think we will see a combination of the SC LS2 and the V-12 throught the caddy line-up.
It seems all won't be lost when it comes to the performance numbers because word is that the hp number may creep up to 469. The only thing that would hold this back would be reliability issues.
 
I too could care less if my engine was OHV or OHC (d@mn those PR types who bash pushrods). And I don't think any CTS-V owners and fans care either. As long as it has the ability to haul some ass and kick some German ass, it works fine by me.

Those who bash the pushrod engines will be kicking their own asses when a 505hp supercharged LS2 stomps the ass of their beloved high-reving V10 (need I say major torque deficiency on BMW's part) And I bet many pushrod lovers will be laughing at Ferrari when the Corvette Z06 slaughters the F430 in the horsepower and straight-line battles (again, another torque deficiency compared to other V8's, from GM, Ford, and even Mercedes). (note: Don't get me wrong. I do like Ferraris, especially the Modena and F430)

I really wish the perception would lie more on the power the engine puts out rather than "Is the cam in the heads or the block?". Sure, the OHV engine is less efficient, but it also has a larger displacement than an OHC of the same physical size that makes up for it. It is different methods of getting that power and torque, but it's the results that should matter...not necessarily the methods.

Bottom line....as long as it puts out a lot of power, I don't care where in the engine the cams are. To me, 500hp and 500lbs torque are the same coming out of an OHV as they are coming out of a DOHC.
 
Even though GM's money purse is tight, I would love for GM to expand Cadillac's product and engine choices. There seems to be a boatload of different BMWs and Mercedes so I would like Cadillac to match what the competition has.
But, I don't know if this is possible with GM having to support so many brands with so many lukewarm products.
 
BMW is seeing good sales while Mercedes is seeing bad sales, Cadillac is liekly to pass Mercedes in sales this year. And from what I hear about future CAdillac products this sales trend will continue until Cadillac is once agian the king. Now what Cadillac does when it gets there we will all have to wait and see but as things are CAdillac IMHO doesn offer enough product to get it there.

the problem I saw with the CTS is it needed to be offered in more ody styles being a 2 door version and a convertible maybe a wagon. Engine options on the CTS is good but maybe they can offer a 300BHP V-6 in a sport package.

I see the STS as being a really good car as is and it shows that Cadillac is getting it right.

The new DTS IMHO is hurrible a refaced and retailed Deville that doesnt look good IMHO and doesnt have what it takes to hold up with the other cars in its class.
 
63GrandSport001 said:
The new DTS IMHO is hurrible a refaced and retailed Deville that doesnt look good IMHO and doesnt have what it takes to hold up with the other cars in its class.
What are the "other cars in its class"? The even more dated Lincoln Town Car, and what else?

The DTS is not intended to sell to anybody except old-style Cadillac people who have been buying or dreaming of Cadillacs since the Nixon administration. And the only competitor is really the Town Car, in that segment... (and you could perhaps stretch it to the Lexus LS, but that's a lot more money?) That said, I like the 00-05 DeVille's styling better, personally...
 
Re: GMI Exclusive: Next Generation 'V-Series' Information

nikivee said:
Nice, but still won't make Cadillac a world class car.
maybe not, but it will allow the XLR-v to compete with the viper, and maybe even kick it's ass ;) .
 
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