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Honda Won't Build V-8 Engines

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#1 ·
Honda Motor Co., the third-largest Japanese automaker, has decided not to build an eight-cylinder engine because high fuel prices are pushing buyers to more efficient motors. The company will focus instead on expanding diesel and gasoline-electric engine output.

"It's not the time to make a V-8," Honda Chief Executive Takeo Fukui said at the Frankfurt International Motor Show in Germany. "We need to focus on diesels and hybrids first."

Honda this year expects to build 70,000 diesel motors, for models in Europe, and 30,000 gasoline-electric hybrid motors, which will mainly be sold in U.S. cars. The company plans to boost diesel output to 100,000 motors in two years and hybrid production to as many as 50,000 a year by 2007.

Honda also plans to boost its ability to design new cars and trucks for the U.S. with a second studio in California. The Pasadena facility will help develop "advanced" models for Honda's biggest market.



http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-autos14sep14,1,5308362.story?coll=la-headlines-business
 
#2 ·
This is why Honda is successful - they aren't sure a V8 will add profitabiltiy - so they aren't doing it. They undeerstand focus and profit is more important than marketshare. Instead, the next RL will be a 280hp / 230lb ft V6 with a 75hp/120lbft electric motor, and the Ridgejob will have a second electric motor on the front, and will be RWD, making a combined 300lbft. By then gas will be expensive enough that the 3K extra will be OK if it gets 5mpg better than the Northstar V8.

Don't get me wrong - I still hate Honda with a passion :)
 
#4 ·
goblue said:
This is why Honda is successful - they aren't sure a V8 will add profitabiltiy - so they aren't doing it. They undeerstand focus and profit is more important than marketshare. Instead, the next RL will be a 280hp / 230lb ft V6 with a 75hp/120lbft electric motor, and the Ridgejob will have a second electric motor on the front, and will be RWD, making a combined 300lbft. By then gas will be expensive enough that the 3K extra will be OK if it gets 5mpg better than the Northstar V8.

Don't get me wrong - I still hate Honda with a passion :)
Honda is "successful" with other Hondlians.
CR ripped the new RL.
The new Civic is terrible,inside and out.
The newest Accord is not attractive either.

Honda will not build what they "cannot succeed in."
And when they do build a failure,they will drop/change it (DelSol.Prelude.NSX)

I bet the FridgeLine disappears before too long.
 
#6 ·
Color me surprised :rolleyes:

Honda doesn't need a V8 unless they continue their push into larger vehicles. They always seem to do things their own way, and I guess that's worked for them.

Toyota seems to do things in the same manner of the domestics (V8s, BoF trucks, RWD Luxury cars). That's the distinction between the two companies. Honda is anti-domestic, while Toyota is their own interpretation of what the domestics are trying to be.
 
#7 ·
Well their reasoning may be true but if they want to expand into more markets they are going to have to make one eventually.
 
#8 ·
TorchRedCorvette said:
Honda is "successful" with other Hondlians.
CR ripped the new RL.
The new Civic is terrible,inside and out.
The newest Accord is not attractive either.

Honda will not build what they "cannot succeed in."
And when they do build a failure,they will drop/change it (DelSol.Prelude.NSX)

I bet the FridgeLine disappears before too long.
When they start losing marketshare as a corporation - let me know. Their financial position is the envy of the automotive world, save one company.

I hope they implode as well, and the Ridjejob is cancelled - but I wouldn't bet on it. They'll improve it, style it better - thats whats holding it back IMO
 
#11 ·
goblue said:
When they start losing marketshare as a corporation - let me know. Their financial position is the envy of the automotive world, save one company.

I hope they implode as well, and the Ridjejob is cancelled - but I wouldn't bet on it. They'll improve it, style it better - thats whats holding it back IMO
You will know.
They keep designing like they have and it will not be long.
The reliability issue has become a non-issue.
 
#15 ·
goblue said:
When they start losing marketshare as a corporation - let me know. Their financial position is the envy of the automotive world, save one company.

I hope they implode as well, and the Ridjejob is cancelled - but I wouldn't bet on it. They'll improve it, style it better - thats whats holding it back IMO
the ridgelame wont be cancelled, because honda rarely discontinues cars, if it doesnt sell they'd probably improve on it and release it again (i bet they are already working on that), honda understands that a good rep for a car name such as the ridgeline is developed overtime, and cancelling and introducing an new one under a new name wont do any good, part of why i feel ford should have kept the taurus name, and with the styling and attributes of the fusion, could have made it a smash hit.

As for the V8 topic, well, they're doing fine without one, plus they also build on a reputation as a green company, one that as our environment keeps getting depleted, will go down well with the families who mainly purchase their vehicles from honda.
 
#18 ·
griswold44 said:
This news really doesn't surprise me, as I couldn't contemplate the fact of Honda having a V8.
True,true,true! I've always thought of Honda's as weel-priced, reliable appliances. They're not race cars and not slugs! Somehow a V8 doesn't fit into that description. But times are changing!
 
#19 ·
griswold44 said:
I'm baffled that people like TorchRedCorvette are already shopping for Honda's coffin when GM is right in front of them yelling for help.
Clark W,
The only thing GM needs is time. They have the NEW automobiles,they have the style, the profits will come from the union concessions,lack of new hires, or the retirees passing on.
It is terrible to say, but very true.
The Japanese do not have the legacy issues now,but they will.

You now need to search for the world's second largest ball of twine.
In your Tacoma.
Hopefully it is not ANYWHERE near road salt.

Say hello to RUSTY for me.
 
#21 ·
griswold44 said:
I'm baffled that people like TorchRedCorvette are already shopping for Honda's coffin when GM is right in front of them yelling for help.
When all those retiree's decide to start dying the next 20 years expect Ford and GM's financials to get as good if not better than Toyota's.



 
#22 ·
johnd89 said:
I hear they will make a v10 for the next nsx
I love it when the NSX guys show up at the track to school the domestic guys. They are promptly trounced by numerous Mustang guys who know their way around a lap-top. (I know, this guy you barely know has a 10 second NSX...please, wake up)

Maybe Honda doesn't want the V-8 market segment. But, why not?
 
#23 ·
TorchRedCorvette said:
Clark W,
The only thing GM needs is time. They have the NEW automobiles,they have the style, the profits will come from the union concessions,lack of new hires, or the retirees passing on.
It is terrible to say, but very true.
The Japanese do not have the legacy issues now,but they will.

You now need to search for the world's second largest ball of twine.
In your Tacoma.
Hopefully it is not ANYWHERE near road salt.

Say hello to RUSTY for me.
the only thing GM ever needed was time, and they blew it so many times that now that they finally get it, they're realizing that all that time wasted has thrown them far into the gutter. And its gonna be one heckuva hole to get out of.
 
#24 ·
nailhead425 said:
I love it when the NSX guys show up at the track to school the domestic guys. They are promptly trounced by numerous Mustang guys who know their way around a lap-top. (I know, this guy you barely know has a 10 second NSX...please, wake up)

Maybe Honda doesn't want the V-8 market segment. But, why not?
I could imagine a riot caused from the reaction of "greenies" for treason and betraying then Honda might caused by the creation of a V8 :laugh: :rotf: but then the V-10 rumour :rolleyes:

And then Hyundai plan to go RWD with a future 4-door sedan (rumored to have a V8) and the next-gen Tiburon before Honda and it happened before the Toronto Maple Leafs winning the Stanley cup and the Cubs winning the World Series :lmao:

With the Mustang having a good time and a coming back of the Dodge Challenger (and lots of Camaro rumours comeback) as well as the Return of Nissan's Z-car and Mazda rotary if Honda will correct one of the rare mistakes they did: the cancelletion of the Prelude?
 
#25 ·
Stéphane Dumas said:
With the Mustang having a good time and a coming back of the Dodge Challenger (and lots of Camaro rumours comeback) as well as the Return of Nissan's Z-car and Mazda rotary if Honda will correct one of the rare mistakes they did: the cancelletion of the Prelude?
good point about the prelude!
same goes for supra!
as for the mazda rx, nissan z, once they lost their turbos, they lost their *alls!
 
#26 ·
The only thing GM needs is time. They have the NEW automobiles,they have the style, the profits will come from the union concessions,lack of new hires, or the retirees passing on.
They are not getting out of the hole anytime soon, and even if they were, Toyota and Honda will be no far ahead and efficient to matter.