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the saturn vue greenline I find offers really great fuel economy with about as much horsepower as the 3.4L V-6 while not costing a arm and a leg. If you are looking for a CUV that is cheap and gets great mileage I think that your only choice is the greenline.
 
steve333 said:
Pontiac still has the 2006 models on their website. Why so slow to upgrade to the 2007 models? Chevy is showing the 2007's.
I've been wondering the same thing myself. Every other GM division has theirs...what's Pontiac's deal?!?

Overall, I thought this was a good review. :yup:
 
By all means, Pontiac NEEDS the Torrent in its lineup. Pontiac is a bold, sporty, and somewhat the "rebel" brand at GM, and the Torrent's execution MUST reflect this. Only car- based crossovers and no truck- based. The Torrent needs more power and could benefit from more of the bold, in- your- face styling Pontiac is known for.
 
Overall a positive feel about the review, which is a different feeling from my review of a 2006 Pontiac Torrent AWD a few months ago.
I’ve said many times before, that being an engineer for Pontiac must be one of the hardest jobs in the world.
Well, if we're splitting hairs, I don't believe there are any true Pontiac engineers. In North America, only Cadillac has dedicated engineers, the rest are simply 'GM' engineers.
The Torrent ... with visual appeal meant to compare more with the Nissans Murano and X-Terra. The squared hood and slightly squinty headlights gives the Torrent a more aggressive appearance than the Equinox
I suppose this is purely subjective, but I couldn't compare the Torrent and Murano. Murano looks so athletic and smooth, Torrent is kinda clunky. Personally, I think Equinix looks more aggressive than Torrent.
The Torrent has always felt crisp and sporty in the handling department
Can't agree there ... the new Torrent I drove was 'ok' on fresh, smooth pavement, but it felt like it wanted to 'smash' through every little bump, not gracefully absorb it. I hope the '07 is better then the '06, but I've felt the handling of any theta-based product I've driven was downright numb.

I thought the Torrent was 'ok' but I stop short of recommending it to friends/family.
 
ScottS said:
You all are nuts. I have no desire to have On*Star in my next vehicle. The price isn't worth it to me, so why would I want to pay for it as standard equipment?

I've read several posts like yours regarding On-Star in recent weeks. It's kind of like buying health insurance. Not worth it........................ till you need it....BUT...seems to me that it is worth it if you are in an accident serious enough for the air bag to go off and they automatically dispatch EMS..or if you lock your self out (as I have done a couple of times) and they can get you right back in without breaking glass....or dispatching road service....or responding to virtually any other emergency without having to call 911. Plus the remote diagnostics (REALLY cool) e-mailed monthly....or hands free calling....etc,etc.

Of course when you are young and invincible none of this matters. Just cocoon you in air bags and you're good to go. Concentrate on the REALLY important things like how the roof rack feels.
 
goatgary said:
ScottS said:
You all are nuts. I have no desire to have On*Star in my next vehicle. The price isn't worth it to me, so why would I want to pay for it as standard equipment?
I've read several posts like yours regarding On-Star in recent weeks. It's kind of like buying health insurane. Not worth it........................ till you need it....BUT...seems to me that it is worth it if you are in an accident serious enough for the air bag to go off and they automatically dispatch EMS..or if you lock your self out (as I have done a couple of times) and they can get you right back in without breaking glass....or dispatching road service....or responding to virtually any other emergency without having to call 911. Plus the remote diagnostics (REALLY cool) e-mailed monthly....or hands free calling....etc,etc.

Of course when you are young and invincible none of this matters. Just cocoon you in air bags and you're good to go. Concentrate on the REALLY important things like how the roof rack feels.
I think the basic "Safe & Sound" monthly fee is only $17! That's a good deal for piece of mind.



 
I am in agreement, it is an attractive CUV package, but the old 3.4 needs to be replaced. I would probably prefer the 3.9 with cylinder shutoff, but I am no engineer or accountant so what do I know.
 
I'd have to agree, the Torrent is a very good CUV. It is definitely competent enough, yes, the 3.4 isn't the greatest engine but drive one and there is no lack of power, even if it is mostly due to having the 5-speed automatic. I like them and if I was looking for an SUV, I definitely would e at the Pontiac dealer looking at them.
 
goatgary said:
I've read several posts like yours regarding On-Star in recent weeks. It's kind of like buying health insurance. Not worth it........................ till you need it....BUT...seems to me that it is worth it if you are in an accident serious enough for the air bag to go off and they automatically dispatch EMS..or if you lock your self out (as I have done a couple of times) and they can get you right back in without breaking glass....or dispatching road service....or responding to virtually any other emergency without having to call 911. Plus the remote diagnostics (REALLY cool) e-mailed monthly....or hands free calling....etc,etc.

Of course when you are young and invincible none of this matters. Just cocoon you in air bags and you're good to go. Concentrate on the REALLY important things like how the roof rack feels.
It's not that I'm young and invincible, but your argument could extend to every safety feature. Why not put the best stability control system on every vehicle as standard? Why not put 5 point safety harnesses and roll cages in every vehicle, especially SUV's. Why not make head curtain and side airbags standard in everything from the Aveo up? Why not pay the price to build up every car to a 5 star safety rating instead of coming up with something to help you after the fact?

As for the health insurance analogy, everyone would like to have the best program with all the perks, but then there's the reality of paying for it. Maybe I'd like that $0 co-pay and $200 deductible, but all I can afford is the $1000 deductible and the 50/50 co-pay plan.
 
01cavalier said:
I'd have to agree, the Torrent is a very good CUV. It is definitely competent enough, yes, the 3.4 isn't the greatest engine but drive one and there is no lack of power, even if it is mostly due to having the 5-speed automatic. I like them and if I was looking for an SUV, I definitely would e at the Pontiac dealer looking at them.

Should be interesting to see how much it's slowed now with that more fuel friendly gearing it has.
 
I dont think the Torrent will be moved to GMC. If Torrent were to be renamed as a GMC product it would need to increase in size slightly, have a larger engine, and have greater towing capacity - therefore resulting in a product too similiar to Acadia. The Acadia fills the small SUV segment just fine for GMC, and with 267 standard horsepower and a rumored V8 from the Enclave, more so fits the bill for a GMC vehicle.

If Pontiac goes all RWD then just have Torrent move to a new platform in the next 5 years, and offer a RWD or AWD version in V6 or V8 trim and move the brand up market (as I thought they were planning on doing)
 
The 3.4L is a sad joke. GM will get the message when the new heavier Suzuki XL-7 with a GM designed engine will probably report better performance and mileage numbers then Theta!

Kill this boat anchor! Put a 2.4L Ecotec in as the base engine, and the 3.6L DOHC V6 as the optional.
 
DuSpinnst said:
I think the basic "Safe & Sound" monthly fee is only $17! That's a good deal for piece of mind.
I think that's a really low price for that kind of assurance in case of a serious accident or other event where you'd need OnStar. Not to mention, don't the new '06+ GM's with OnStar actually give you alerts for service and monitor your vehicle's "health"?
 
joey said:
The 3.4L is a sad joke. GM will get the message when the new heavier Suzuki XL-7 with a GM designed engine will probably report better performance and mileage numbers then Theta!

Kill this boat anchor! Put a 2.4L Ecotec in as the base engine, and the 3.6L DOHC V6 as the optional.
IIRC, I read a Short Take in last month's C&D about the '07 XL-7. C&D thought it was well done and they liked the GM 3.6L V6 in it. The Pontiac version could definately use that engine to back up the performance image.
 
GM-Joe said:
I am in agreement, it is an attractive CUV package, but the old 3.4 needs to be replaced. I would probably prefer the 3.9 with cylinder shutoff, but I am no engineer or accountant so what do I know.

You don't need to be an accountant or engineer to realize that a 185 hp engine displacing 3.4 liters in 2007 that was offered 11 years ago in 1996 on the dustbuster vans is a piss poor idea. If Buick found a way to offer the 3500 in it's Rendevous in 2005 then why couldn't Pontiac offer it on the Torrent. The 2007 changes should have been put in place right from the start in 2006. Surely it costs more to keep having to redesign things like this ever year or so.
 
I have the 2005 Chevy Equinox LT in the family fleet. I ordered ours with side curtain airbags and wasn't required to get Onstar that year, however if I wanted leather seats, I would of had to get Onstar. My wife didn't want it so no leather seats.

I was hesitant about buying this vehicle because we had so many problems with our 2002 Saturn Vue and as you know the Nox is based in the same Theta Platform. But I have to say the Nox is an outstanding vehicle. Very little has gone wrong with it in the 2 years that I have owned it. The difference between our Vue and the Nox is like night and day.

This time next year, I will replace this vehicle with the Pontiac Torrent, we love our Nox but we expect even better things with the 2008 Torrent. GXP model is what I am aiming at.

My hats off to the folks who work at the CAMI plant!
 
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