[chevypowa670]

The Expedition and Navigator will never outsell the Tahoe/Suburban and Escalade... just like the GM pickups will never outsell the F-Series. However, Expedition and Navigator sales can certainly be higher than they are today, with a little bit of marketing behind them.

GM pickups used to outsell Ford all the time...Not to mention they have outsold them the last two months. If you are talking about individual brands outselling Ford, then yes you are prolly right. If you are talking about GM truck vs Ford truck you are very wrong.

 

[CJH]

lol please Expedition could dream of having the success and name recognition that the Suburban has...

The new Suburban IMO looks great...And based off the early sales numbers alot of people seem to think the same.

The Suburban is the king of the full size SUV in America.

Suburban has been the standard of the segment forever and has the name recognition to go with it. Its an icon and I expect it to remain that way.

However to base success on "early sales numbers" is nonsensical, since most of that is dealer stock - getting trucks on the lots. Based on how old the designs of the two main players in this segment had become (GM + Ford), there should be pent up demand for both of them depending on which you prefer.

 

[chevypowa670]

Suburban has been the standard of the segment forever and has the name recognition to go with it. Its an icon and I expect it to remain that way.

However to base success on "early sales numbers" is nonsensical, since most of that is dealer stock - getting trucks on the lots. Based on how old the designs of the two main players in this segment had become (GM + Ford), there should be pent up demand for both of them depending on which you prefer.

I don't disagree, but Suburban has always sold well so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the solid sales hold up for a long time.. Hell even when the previous model was long in the tooth it still sold more than respectable numbers.

 

[Ambalanche]

I just got home from a trip to New Orleans and on I10 there were Tahoes, Suburbans, and Yukons EVERYWHERE! Yes the new GM SUV's are being very well received in my area!

 

[chevypowa670]

The new GM SUV's look really good in person...I agree they don't look so hot in photos, but in the real world they are very handsome and upscale looking.

 

[SP1966]

I don't disagree, but Suburban has always sold well so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the solid sales hold up for a long time.. Hell even when the previous model was long in the tooth it still sold more than respectable numbers.

GM dominates full size SUV sales.
Ford F-series has been the top seller for decades.
The Germans dominate luxury vehicle sales.

Some things just are what they are. Cadillac is building cars every bit the equal to the Germans, yet struggle to gain a foothold. The GM and Ram trucks are new while the F-150 is going through it's change and still, the F-150 will come out on top. In some categories the challenger can be superior to the king, and yet still struggle to make a dent in their sales dominance. Their is so much momentum built up behind these various products that like the Titanic, it's going to take an iceberg to unseat them from in front, not their challengers from behind.

 

[wescoent]

The new GM SUV's look really good in person...I agree they don't look so hot in photos, but in the real world they are very handsome and upscale looking.

I see probably 1,000 of them a day... they're even worse in person, if that were possible. For the Chevy, if they just made the headlights square, that would instantly solve the problem. The GMC is just a huge mess up front... tiny headlights, comical oversized grill.

Yet, the Chevy and GMC pickups look fantastic.

 

[chevypowa670]

I see probably 1,000 of them a day... they're even worse in person, if that were possible. For the Chevy, if they just made the headlights square, that would instantly solve the problem. The GMC is just a huge mess up front... tiny headlights, comical oversized grill.

Yet, the Chevy and GMC pickups look fantastic.

To each their own I guess.

 

[EcoBustier69]

Last generation, Suburban was the clear winner, despite the awful third row.

This generation, Suburban has been uglified, the Expedition hasn't gotten any uglier, and at least the Expedition has a usable third row.

It looks much better in person compared to online pics. But I can see it being somewhat polarizing.

 

[Edge]

Meh, I'd much rather have the 6.2 or an updated, more powerful 5.0 in this than the EB, but it has to drive drive better than the new Chevy twins. I personally found the Tahoe/Suburban to be the most disappointing new vehicles I can remember driving in a long, long time. And I drive a ton.

 

[chevypowa670]

GM dominates full size SUV sales.
Ford F-series has been the top seller for decades.
The Germans dominate luxury vehicle sales.

Some things just are what they are. Cadillac is building cars every bit the equal to the Germans, yet struggle to gain a foothold. The GM and Ram trucks are new while the F-150 is going through it's change and still, the F-150 will come out on top. In some categories the challenger can be superior to the king, and yet still struggle to make a dent in their sales dominance. Their is so much momentum built up behind these various products that like the Titanic, it's going to take an iceberg to unseat them from in front, not their challengers from behind.

Name recognition is a hell of a useful tool.

 

[eaton53]

IYet, the Chevy and GMC pickups look fantastic.

I agree that the GMC PU in particular is very good looking.
But the SUVs are far from ugly, especially when you consider there are Jukes and Squinty Jeeps out there.

 

[camaro_freak]

This is obviously your ford biased subjective opinion. Because in my eyes and the market's eyes the GMC is beautiful.

I agree with wescoent The new Tahoe is a mess... the GMC looks better but didn't need the taffy pulled headlights like the Escalade. Was no need for it (none of the other brand's headlights do that)

 

[Envoy4Life]

Can't agree with you guys about the Yukon here, but then again, design is subjective.

I think the Yukon is absolutely gorgeous:

It's by far the best looking of the full size triplets IMHO.

 

[jry]

And, therein lies why i replaced my 2011 with a 2014....

 

[corwaa]

Go sit in an Expedition, then look at how close you are to the A pillar and how small the drivers window is. Almost sit behind the B pillar with the drivers seat all the way back. I hated that when we had our Expedition, the driving position felt weird, that has not changed one bit on the new models, you could probably take a door off a 05 and slap it on a 15. Other than the we liked our Expedition (the gutless 5.4 sucked though)

I'm a GM full size ute guy now and haven't looked back. If/when Ford redesigns their big ute's I'll have a look, but there's NO WAY I'm buying one with an Ecoboost. If GM would just build a 3/4 ton with a diesel I'd be happy for many, many years.

 

[DenaliHD66]

So basically, the GM Suv's will still be completely dominant in the segment, despite the bias of the media trying to convince us all to go to smaller displacement engines.

 

[Amphibian]

I'm curious as to what the future of the Toyota and Nissan competition will be like, if they even stick around. This segment shrank so much they may not deem it worthwhile anymore. But even if you can only sell, say, 35,000 units annually that's a nice vehicle when it comes to margins.

lol please Expedition could dream of having the success and name recognition that the Suburban has...

Perhaps true, but stranger things have happened. The Fusion nameplate hasn't been around for a decade yet is already one of the best selling sedans in the segment, even when comparing the monthly sales to the now-storied Accord and Camry nameplates. Who'd have thought in 1994 that Cadillac would be hoping to pass Audi in sales? Who thought in 1989 that Lexus would outsell Cadillac and Lincoln COMBINED in 2013? The Expedition is unlikely to dethrone the GM SUVs anytime soon. Like I said, crazier things have happened. We'll see what Ford brings to the table with the ~2017 Expedition.

 

[Slideways]

With all of the special edition trucks Ford offers, why on earth wouldn't they do an F-150 with an Expy nose? That could look very sweet, and it's bound to be pretty close to a perfect fit, no? Call it the F-150 Expedition!

You could bolt the Expedition nose on an F-150 and it would be a nearly exact fit, the problem is that it would have to be a '97-'03 F-150.

 

[DealerGuyAtl]

Does that exist yet? As far as I know, there aren't any 8-speeds on lots yet.

There will be soon....they started building those this week.