[Amphibian]

With all of the special edition trucks Ford offers, why on earth wouldn't they do an F-150 with an Expy nose? That could look very sweet, and it's bound to be pretty close to a perfect fit, no? Call it the F-150 Expedition!

Oh and I always forget, does the Excursion still exist?

Discontinued years ago, in fact.

 

[Amphibian]

I'm curious as to what the future of the Toyota and Nissan competition will be like, if they even stick around. This segment shrank so much they may not deem it worthwhile anymore. But even if you can only sell, say, 35,000 units annually that's a nice vehicle when it comes to margins.

lol please Expedition could dream of having the success and name recognition that the Suburban has...

Perhaps true, but stranger things have happened. The Fusion nameplate hasn't been around for a decade yet is already one of the best selling sedans in the segment, even when comparing the monthly sales to the now-storied Accord and Camry nameplates. Who'd have thought in 1994 that Cadillac would be hoping to pass Audi in sales? Who thought in 1989 that Lexus would outsell Cadillac and Lincoln COMBINED in 2013? The Expedition is unlikely to dethrone the GM SUVs anytime soon. Like I said, crazier things have happened. We'll see what Ford brings to the table with the ~2017 Expedition.

 

[Amphibian]

Why don't they offer the 5.0L like they do on the F-150 though? It should be a no charge option no matter which one you go with.

The 5.0L doesn't have the torque band that the EB does, and the EB is likely to offer at least comparable economy. And at these price points it's nice to get "upgrade" engine as standard.

You would rather spend $70K for a brand new design that is functionally inferior?

In terms of? The Expedition has a nice third row thanks to the IRS and can tow more. Other things are less important like it's superior acceleration or the way it handles (as if many people care in such SUVs), but if these are all in fact advantages over the GM products, then that's where my money would be.

BUT I have not driven the new GMs so I don't have a personal opinion nor do I plan on buying a giant SUV any time soon. If I was spending 70K on a big SUV though, neither the GM or Ford SUVs would be my choice. I'm going full ugly: Infiniti QX80. Yeah, not the best exterior ever, but I've never minded it and the interior is way better than even the luxury Ford and GM SUVs. Plus it can actually tow (rather relevant in this segment) more than any GM SUV can in any configuration of which I can think. I know it's an unpopular decision on GMI, but while I think the Denali/Escalade has the superior exterior design and maybe handles better, the Infiniti is better in about any other way I can think of.

I wil never buy a vehicle that weighs 6300 lbs. EVER. For ANY reason. That's just wasteful. I would like to see GM do additional tweaks to the new models. I know that is not their way, but a 250 lb weight reduction,better braking,, steering and cornering wouldn't be too much too ask.

What if you have a boat? I understand your point, but I suppose anything other than a 1980s Civic is "wasteful".

 

[Amphibian]

I'll just say I'd have a really difficult time paying $70,000 for a vehicle that was new for 2007. On the other hand, this EL version (according to MT) rides and handles better than the GMs and is quicker than a Tahoe, much less a Suburban. Eh, I guess I'd seriously have to shop both.

Toyota Sequoia FTW!