[Hurricane]

General Motors might be about a decade late with its V6-powered, SUV-silhouetted, unibody people hauler, but GM got it right. The full-size 2007 Saturn Outlook really is the world's first anti-SUV, anti-minivan utility vehicle, and it just might be the next big thing.

Wow, what a great review!

 

[nsap]

And there are still people doubting GM's future products? I can't believe the reviews we've been reading on the Outlook...some of the best of ANY product from ANY company. It also baffles me that the 3.6L is powering these beasts as well as they seem to, and still managed a 19 MPG with Edmunds. Excellent.

Can you imagine what reviews are going to say with the 2008 CTS?

 

[mkaake]

Over the Thanksgiving holiday, one staffer drove his family more than 500 miles in the Outlook and reported, "The ride was as supple as a luxury SUV's, the acceleration more than ample for merging and passing and the fuel economy was far better than expected."

That's what I like to hear...

 

[sepi]

What Edmunds says about any GM vehicle is irrelavent. Edmunds is a propaganda arm of GM having sold its impartiality out for a marketing partnership with GM. Let's no longer consider what Edmunds says about any vehicle as meaningful. Shun Edmunds for having sold its soul to the devil.

 

[tgagneguam]

Make a class-leading vehicle, and the "biased" media sings its praises. Who'd thunk?

Stellar work on these Lambda's, GM.

 

[CRBoyd91]

Anybody know what's up with that center console?

 

[ZRock]

Anybody know what's up with that center console?

What about it?

 

[Ytriox]

I love the Outlook. I honestly think it's a total home run. I just wonder when GM is going to introduce a comparably well executed passenger car. It doesn't help the conception that all GM cares about is big SUVs when you have a great vehicle like the Outlook sharing lot space with the Aura and its second rate, cut-corner interior.

 

[thehunter]

I saw an Outlook at a dealer this weekend and it looks better in person. I can't wait to see what the Acadia will look like. I might just replace the Explorer in a year or so with one.

Mike

 

[thehunter]

I saw an Outlook at a dealer this weekend and it looks better in person. I can't wait to see what the Acadia will look like. I might just replace the Explorer in a year or so with one.

Mike

 

[Dynamo]

Anybody know what's up with that center console?

The center console can slide back and forth, I think that picture is a close up of it all the way back. Is that what you're asking about?

 

[MCGARRETT]

General Motors might be about a decade late with its V6-powered, SUV-silhouetted, unibody people hauler, but GM got it right. The full-size 2007 Saturn Outlook really is the world's first anti-SUV, anti-minivan utility vehicle, and it just might be the next big thing.

Just start off with a slam, ignore the fact that the Buick Rendezvous was available in 2001. Who was the genius that was making car based unibody crossovers in 1996?

Make a class-leading vehicle, and the "biased" media sings its praises. Who'd thunk?

Yeah!, Instead of performing both bodily functions all over it, they only do number one.

 

[zete]

Enter the Lutzmobiles. I'm even more pumped for the CTS now, considering Edmund's cryptic comment a few weeks ago.

The more I see of these vehicles the more I like them. I'm awed by their mileage numbers and space. The fact every reviewer says they drive like a much smaller vehicle is just too much. I really wanted to hear that but the fact it's true just makes my decison to buy a Lambda vehicle next year all the better!

I'm still awed by those flip/fold seats. Sheer genius.

 

[uboys]

The center console can slide back and forth, I think that picture is a close up of it all the way back. Is that what you're asking about?

Somebody asked about the center console?






Now, bandwidth might be a problem, so let me post the thumbnail here as well:


Also, here are some pictures of the other storgage spaces (from cars.com):

 

[General STL]

Yeah, I was wondering about that center console as well. That's pretty neat how it slides back. I can't wait to see one of these in person. Now c'mon GM.......execute like this with a passenger car. You can do it.

 

[boblutzfan]

Very nice vehicle. I can't wait to drive one. A Lambda will be our next vehicle for sure.

 

[69Firebird400]

how do you guys think the "halt" on the sale of the Acadia / Outlook will go? Whats the problem and do the current vehicles sold/on the road be affected and how would a recall affect this vehicle group?

thoughts, opinions, comments??? I'm not sure, thats why I'm asking.

CobaltSScrazy

The update is here: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41870

Basically if water gets on the engine mount and it freezes, the engine mounts will not be able to absorb engine vibrations very well. The dealers are going to add drainage holes to the mounts, and all will be good. It's a very minor issue and not a recall.

And I'm not sure that any have actually been sold yet - I think there's a few hundred on dealer lots right now, but I haven't seen any mention of them having to leave customers' hands to get this issue resolved.

 

[General STL]

The update is here: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41870

Basically if water gets on the engine mount and it freezes, the engine mounts will not be able to absorb engine vibrations very well. The dealers are going to add drainage holes to the mounts, and all will be good. It's a very minor issue and not a recall.

And I'm not sure that any have actually been sold yet - I think there's a few hundred on dealer lots right now, but I haven't seen any mention of them having to leave customers' hands to get this issue resolved.

This whole thing about 'drilling holes into the mounts' is kind of scary to me. Can anyone shed some light onto how this might affect the long-term durability of the mounts? How many holes are to be drilled per mount?

 

[uboys]

This whole thing about 'drilling holes into the mounts' is kind of scary to me. Can anyone shed some light onto how this might affect the long-term durability of the mounts? How many holes are to be drilled per mount?

Enough to allow water not to accumulate. How big of a hole do you need for water to drain out of anything?
Do you know what an engine mount looks like?
If not, then you cannot claim to have concerns over and above those of the people who designed and engineered the things.

Anyways, here is something we missed from Businessweek back in November:

Out of this trio, I have only driven the Outlook. And detailed driving impressions are embargoed until early December. But what I can say, as the current owner of a Honda Odyssey and father of a young son with classmates that need ferrying about, is that this SUV takes a backseat to none of the Asian minivans or SUVs. It's GM's best work to date in the crossover and minivan segments, and is worthy of benchmarking by other auto makers, including the Japanese.

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/nov2006/bw20061127_318316_page_2.htm

 

[boblutzfan]

Enough to allow water not to accumulate. How big of a hole do you need for water to drain out of anything?
Do you know what an engine mount looks like?
If not, then you cannot claim to have concerns over and above those of the people who designed and engineered the things.

Anyways, here is something we missed from Businessweek back in November:

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/nov2006/bw20061127_318316_page_2.htm

Great quote from Businessweek. These look to be break out vehicles for GM. There are many people that need true minivan flexibility without the minivan image. I sold a guy on going to test drive an Outlook this past weekend at a Christmas party. At the beginning of the conversation he swore he wouldn't set foot in any GM dealership. By the end of the conversation about the Outlook he was asking for directions to the Saturn dealership. One of the big selling points was the Cadillac CTS/STS sourced 3.6L DOHC VVT V6 engine. Now I realise it is not a direct transplant - but the fact that it was the same high tech DOHC engine from the hot CTS sedan was a big plus for him.

I just emailed him the link to the Edmunds article. I think GM may finally have a vehicle that will sell without discounts.