[John B.]

It's a shame the CT4 hasn't gotten any traction in the marketplace....

A wonderful, rear wheel drive based passenger CAR. Why not? Traditional American luxury.

 

[John B.]

Good info bmwboy2007 and BlackGTP. Another CT4 comparison: a base 1997 Cadillac Catera retailed for $30,635. In 2024 dollars, that comes to $59,615.

For comparison, for about $3,275 more, one can get a 2024 CT4-V Blackwing.

Cadillac Catera. The car that zagged when it should have zigged.

 

[dannyg]

The thing about the CT5 is their bundles. When I've built one (the V) several of the bundles I want require other bundles, meaning checking one box checks a bunch of others and greatly driving up the price. For me it went from a base price vehicle and jumped a huge amount, more than I wanted to spend at the time.

The 2025 CT5 with the new interior drops the base trim so you're looking at +$45K, something like that. Out of my league already!


I'm seeing Certified CPO CT4s in the mid-$20K...Trax money...I'd be tempted. One example:

Autotrader - page unavailable

www.autotrader.com

 

[rockyspaw]

In the grand scheme of things, yes, it’s a good deal. Not because of what the car is or what it offers, but because everything else has skyrocketed in price.

As a vehicle for the average customer? Meh. The CT4 is mid. It’s nothing more than a warmed over ATS that still shares its predecessors shortcomings and cramped cabin. It’s a good deal for an “enthusiast” because it drives very, very well (like the ATS) but short of that, most people would (and did) pick the slightly more expensive but substantially larger, more modern, and nicer CT5 over it at an almost 2:1 clip. Given the recent killing of the base CT5 we’ll see what happens, but I doubt it’s going to help the CT4 much. I think it’s going to help the competition more than Cadillac’s own CT4.

I applaud them for offering it, and mostly because it didn’t cost them much to design, but the CT4 was dead on arrival. It’s a flawed vehicle that was overshadowed from day 1 by the CT5.

Had Cadillac offered the third gen CTS in a coupe, I would have purchased it instead of my ATS. I think the CTS/CT5 would have made a beautiful coupe! Despite this, I love my ATS 3.6!

 

[supraracer]

Ive never bought a 4cyl car and never will.
Could be that many people think likewise ?

Nope. Other than my current Supra, all my sports cars have been 4cyl turbos. No issues with them and made great power. Even my Cruze responds to mods well.

 

[gkr778]

The CT4-V is the one I have my eye on.

+1
Same here. The chassis tuning on CT4-V RWD (non Blackwing) with MRC suspension is arguably the best of any car under $50k MSRP in the U.S. market.

Car and Driver said it well:

Judged by the deftness and liveliness of the handling, the CT4-V feels like a true sports sedan. Credit General Motors's chassis-development team. One of the underappreciated success stories of the last decade, the chassis engineers have tuned greatness into Cadillacs, the Corvette, the Camaro, and—oddly enough—GM's pickups.

 

[BlackGTP]

Nope. Other than my current Supra, all my sports cars have been 4cyl turbos. No issues with them and made great power. Even my Cruze responds to mods well.

Everyone is entitled to their preferences as it is their money.

My only word of wisdom is give turbo 4's a try - don't just say "it ain't a V8" and look away.

 

[AWHoden]

Everyone is entitled to their preferences as it is their money.

My only word of wisdom is give turbo 4's a try - don't just say "it ain't a V8" and look away.

Would that count as cylinder shaming?

 

[BlackGTP]

Would that count as cylinder shaming?

Hahahahaaa - yes!

Actually, not really my intention - just my experience with being a "6" guy then driving a turbo 4 and realized what I was missing.

 

[AWHoden]

Hahahahaaa - yes!

Actually, not really my intention - just my experience with being a "6" guy then driving a turbo 4 and realized what I was missing.

Oh I get it. I always bought them because I value fuel economy over, "hey....a cupholder can hold my root beer, watch this" type of drive experience. Then I bought my GTI and now I have the better (not the best) of both worlds: it gets good gas mileage and can actually throw you back a little when you step on it....plus the lighter weight over the front wheels is wheeeeee in the corners. No plow, no push, it just sticks. Now I'm sold on driving a slow car fast. I've had V8 and V6 powered cars before, they were fun.....this is more fun.

 

[yello430]

I’m probably going to replace my Lyriq with a ‘25 CT5. Jury’s still put.

 

[Greg Burr]

I’m probably going to replace my Lyriq with a ‘25 CT5. Jury’s still put.

I have seen the Lyric about town and it is nice. But the CT5 is a car guy's choice, and you are a car guy

 

[ChrisNJ]

+1
Same here. The chassis tuning on CT4-V RWD (non Blackwing) with MRC suspension is arguably the best of any car under $50k MSRP in the U.S. market.

Car and Driver said it well:

I agree. I owned a ATS and it rode like a skateboard. The 4T was so-so, but it was a stick so was still fun.
Our 4 blackwing w/MRC is way better than I was expecting, tours great, and with a push of the V button turns into a snarling race car. so fun.
We got a 23 4 blackwing after my wife drove all Manuf. and models. She drove the V and then the blackwing back to back, and after the salesmen turned away she said "GET ME THAT F'N CAR!!!".
She picked the lone certified car on the lot over a new one only because it had red seat belts .
Other dealers had their stock blackwings at over MPSR a the time.
My wife is awesome, so is the car.
we paid 67 on a msrp of 77, it was pretty loaded up relative.

 

[eaton53]

Everyone is entitled to their preferences as it is their money.
My only word of wisdom is give turbo 4's a try - don't just say "it ain't a V8" and look away.

Just buy all of 'em. That's what I did, several times.

 

[supraracer]

Oh I get it. I always bought them because I value fuel economy over, "hey....a cupholder can hold my root beer, watch this" type of drive experience. Then I bought my GTI and now I have the better (not the best) of both worlds: it gets good gas mileage and can actually throw you back a little when you step on it....plus the lighter weight over the front wheels is wheeeeee in the corners. No plow, no push, it just sticks. Now I'm sold on driving a slow car fast. I've had V8 and V6 powered cars before, they were fun.....this is more fun.

The Celica I had was like that. Loved that little car.

 

[AWHoden]

The Celica I had was like that. Loved that little car.

I loved the old Celicas, until the lozenge one (6th gen). I'm glad to see Toyota is finally building some cool cars to sell along with their appliance the Camry. Are you by chance watching Sarah n Tuned modify her RA21 1st Gen?

 

[Evo69]

It's a shame the CT4 hasn't gotten any traction in the marketplace....

So called 'auto enthusiasts' talk the talk, then when Cadillac builds a compact RWD car with a damn good performing chassis they nit pick and ghost it.

 

[MisterMe]

So called 'auto enthusiasts' talk the talk, then when Cadillac builds a compact RWD car with a damn good performing chassis they nit pick and ghost it.

That's a bit over the top. CT4 sales are roughly about half those of the CT5. I don't know what Cadillac's expectations are for either model, but it is important to remember that Cadillac is not GM's appliance brand. Cadillac buyers are not appliance buyers. From where I sit, the CT4 is doing OK. I most certainly see no evidence that buyers are ghosting the car.

 

[AWHoden]

That's a bit over the top. CT4 sales are roughly about half those of the CT5. I don't know what Cadillac's expectations are for either model, but it is important to remember that Cadillac is not GM's appliance brand. Cadillac buyers are not appliance buyers. From where I sit, the CT4 is doing OK. I most certainly see no evidence that buyers are ghosting the car.

I kinda get it, enthusiasts are constantly harping on companies to make these cars - which is a small segment of the buying public to be sure - and then they don't buy them. Unless people buy a new car and trade it off every year, I can't see hi-po cars being a big sustainable portion of the car market. I think Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, etc., have a better way of doing it by making mainstream models and then just making a hi-po version of those models to appeal to the smallish enthusiast crowd. That way, they can sell their "mundane grocery getter" and then slap some performance goodies and a fatter price tag on the other ones and they're not on the hook for a car that has a ton of investment dollars but only appeals to a small percentage of buyers. That's why the Camaro is retiring, not enough buyers every year to sustain it. No amount of advertising dollars is going to convince people to buy what is essentially a two-seat car that can be raced on the weekend, despite everyone saying that that is why it's dying: a lack of advertising. It's a one-trick pony car. Sure, it can be a daily driver, but you're not going to get car seats in it or take a lot of groceries home. People seem to want versatility in their car purchases lately, hence the boom in CUV sales.

 

[Envoy4Life]

So called 'auto enthusiasts' talk the talk, then when Cadillac builds a compact RWD car with a damn good performing chassis they nit pick and ghost it.

Or you buy one and it turns out to be a lemon. Lol.