Hey GM, how about a manual transmission option in the non-Blackwing CT4 Sport?




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It's a shame the CT4 hasn't gotten any traction in the marketplace....

 

Is there any advertising for CT4 ? Due to how I structure my media environment, I don't see much in the way of advertising.. Any print or billboards ?

Of interest: Adjusted for inflation, $34,995 works out to $11,977 in 1984 money. For comparison, a base 1984 Cadillac Cimarron was $12,614..

That car came with a 121.5 cubic inch I4 rated at 88 horsespower, 110 ft lb torque (149 nm) and 3 speed automatic transmission. CT4 has a twin scroll turbo rated at 237 HP with 258 ft lbs torque, with 8 speed automatic transmission

<EDIT> We should also state for the record the Cimarron is FWD, while CT4 is RWD..

Also hated was the cheapness of switch gear used not only in Cimarron, but all Cadillacs during the early to mid '80s..

My personal most hated item was that multi-function turn signal/cruise control switch, wiper/washer control, dimmer switch used on nearly EVERYTHING GM made that era.. Cheapest thing ever, and it looked it..

 

In the grand scheme of things, yes, it’s a good deal. Not because of what the car is or what it offers, but because everything else has skyrocketed in price.

As a vehicle for the average customer? Meh. The CT4 is mid. It’s nothing more than a warmed over ATS that still shares its predecessors shortcomings and cramped cabin. It’s a good deal for an “enthusiast” because it drives very, very well (like the ATS) but short of that, most people would (and did) pick the slightly more expensive but substantially larger, more modern, and nicer CT5 over it at an almost 2:1 clip. Given the recent killing of the base CT5 we’ll see what happens, but I doubt it’s going to help the CT4 much. I think it’s going to help the competition more than Cadillac’s own CT4.

I applaud them for offering it, and mostly because it didn’t cost them much to design, but the CT4 was dead on arrival. It’s a flawed vehicle that was overshadowed from day 1 by the CT5.

 

In the grand scheme of things, yes, it’s a good deal. Not because of what the car is or what it offers, but because everything else has skyrocketed in price.

IDK about where you live, but the car lots here are getting VERY full of both new and used cars.
Perhaps the revolt against this ridiculous price gouging is underway??

 

Going to get ripped apart for the above post in 3… 2… 1….

 

I agree with you Envoy, been saying it around here for years. I was pretty disappointed its just a slightly warmed over ATS. Great drivers car, but that's probably the best thing going for it. Most people in this segment want something bigger, nicer and more comfortable. Cadillac traditionally has been more about comfort than sport, so I think there is still a disconnect there.......

 

Is the detuned turbo4 responsive enough in the base CT4 to truly be a "driver's car"?

 

Not at all. The 2.0T in the CT4/XT4 sounds terrible, lacks punch, and overall is a step back from the 2.0T in the ATS.

But everything else about the CT4 makes it a very good driver’s car otherwise IMO.

 

The CT4-V is the one I have my eye on.

 

+1
Same here. The chassis tuning on CT4-V RWD (non Blackwing) with MRC suspension is arguably the best of any car under $50k MSRP in the U.S. market.

Car and Driver said it well:

Judged by the deftness and liveliness of the handling, the CT4-V feels like a true sports sedan. Credit General Motors's chassis-development team. One of the underappreciated success stories of the last decade, the chassis engineers have tuned greatness into Cadillacs, the Corvette, the Camaro, and—oddly enough—GM's pickups.

 

Ive never bought a 4cyl car and never will.
Could be that many people think likewise ?

 

Ive never bought a 4cyl car and never will.
Could be that many people think likewise ?

I'm old school enough that I still prefer a V8 engine.. I find them viscerally more appealing. The only 4 cylinder powered vehicles I've had have been company cars, not all were, but some were. (I was not a fan of those, just for the engine sound, if nothing else).

 

Of interest: Adjusted for inflation, $34,995 works out to $11,977 in 1984 money. For comparison, a base 1984 Cadillac Cimarron was $12,614..

Never thought I'd see the day when I'm describing $35k as cheap!

Good info bmwboy2007 and BlackGTP. Another CT4 comparison: a base 1997 Cadillac Catera retailed for $30,635. In 2024 dollars, that comes to $59,615.

For comparison, for about $3,275 more, one can get a 2024 CT4-V Blackwing.

 

Good info bmwboy2007 and BlackGTP. Another CT4 comparison: a base 1997 Cadillac Catera retailed for $30,635. In 2024 dollars, that comes to $59,615.

For comparison, for about $3,275 more, one can get a 2024 CT4-V Blackwing.

Cadillac Catera. The car that zagged when it should have zigged.

 

I can't believe anyone who sees the updated CT5 interior will buy a CT4 if they can at all afford it.

I'd look for a base-model RWD CT4 myself for right around $35K. If I could get it for around $30K with discounts and GM Card, I'd call that a fair deal given a 1.2T Trax Activ can run you $28K. $2K gets you way more power and RWD (yes I'm comparing a Cadillac to a Trax!).

 

I can't believe anyone who sees the updated CT5 interior will buy a CT4 if they can at all afford it.

I'd look for a base-model RWD CT4 myself for right around $35K. If I could get it for around $30K with discounts and GM Card, I'd call that a fair deal given a 1.2T Trax Activ can run you $28K. $2K gets you way more power and RWD (yes I'm comparing a Cadillac to a Trax!).

The thing about the CT5 is their bundles. When I've built one (the V) several of the bundles I want require other bundles, meaning checking one box checks a bunch of others and greatly driving up the price. For me it went from a base price vehicle and jumped a huge amount, more than I wanted to spend at the time.

 

Good info bmwboy2007 and BlackGTP. Another CT4 comparison: a base 1997 Cadillac Catera retailed for $30,635. In 2024 dollars, that comes to $59,615.

For comparison, for about $3,275 more, one can get a 2024 CT4-V Blackwing.

And to think the CT4 is a million times better than the Cimmaron

I was thinking the same thing - the CT4 is a lot better than either the Cimmaron and the Catera. The CT4 is a sleeper!

I wonder what the issue is? Is it the brand? I know the CT5 isn't much more in certain configurations, but it isn't like the CT5 sells boatloads either. I do wonder if it is the brand - people buying the lower end models might be even more sensitive to how a brand is perceived. Lack of advertising as noted above.. Probably a bunch of factors.

 

I’m probably going to replace my Lyriq with a ‘25 CT5. Jury’s still put.

 

I have seen the Lyric about town and it is nice. But the CT5 is a car guy's choice, and you are a car guy

 

I looked at a 2024 CT4 at the local Cadillac dealership yesterday and the size was good. I am 6 foot tall and with the driver seat adjusted I fit in the back seat with over an inch between my legs and the driver seat back. The exterior is about the same as the BMW 3 Series, but the BMW interior and trunk is more spacious. The automotive press is critical of the CT4 interior, but I like it. I think the interiors of the recent GM products that I have bought compared favorably to the Toyota and Honda interiors. Another thing I have noticed is that the GM interiors have been more durable than the interiors on the Toyota and Honda products that I have owned. I have had several interior plastic trim parts break on the Toyota and Honda products.

 

Sounds like the Genesis G70.

A wonderful, rear wheel drive based passenger CAR. Why not? Traditional American luxury.

So called 'auto enthusiasts' talk the talk, then when Cadillac builds a compact RWD car with a damn good performing chassis they nit pick and ghost it.

enthusiast-performance ≠ luxury
It makes sense to think about making them useful. gkr's below pic isn't a good look use with a luxury car. Even a small sedan with a weight distributing hitch would do that better, innovate a class 2.5.

Rather than complain (or use a Chevy Traverse, Colorado, or Silverado instead), at least one Corvette owner came up with a creative means to haul that kind of stuff with his/her vehicle:

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