BUT you have to order the manual transmission to get that. Otherwise, it slips back to 32mpg with the automatic.

 

At least you can get a manual transmission.

 

How many manual camrys do they sell?

 

Not many...and they're hard to get. My mother in law has an 2007 SE 5MT Camry. It's actually a very nice car. It being a manual doesn't exactly make it a sports car by any means...but it's nice to drive.

I was searching on a car lot and found a Malibu, look under the big numbers for the fuel economy, there is a small find print saying that it can achieve 39 mpg at the most.

Yes, every car has a range (projected worse to projected best) under the "big number". It's been that way for years, but it's not easy to see because the font is small!

 

We would be pretty bad to bash that since we cheer the Cobalt's XFE mileage quite a bit here.

I am one of those 97% or so that likes an automatic.

 

:clap:

 

I was searching on a car lot and found a Malibu, look under the big numbers for the fuel economy, there is a small find print saying that it can achieve 39 mpg at the most.

 

GM should stick a manual in the AURA, Malibu, and G6 just to one up them with 34 MPG.

 

it might not get any better, Ford Fusions 34 is with the automatic.

 

The cars will have to get better mileage to be sold, so over time they all will get better mpg. DCT transmissions, deeper overdrive transmissions and low-numerical rear gears will help as well. 0-60 times will lengthen, horsepower will drop, hybrids and electrics will come on line. And California will make their own rules. You'll need to remember "the good old days" by looking around right now.

 

Yawn.

 

I'll take a manual Camry over an American automatic anything.

 

I agree.

For me, the transmission makes or breaks a car.

If I had to choose manual Camry or CVT Maxima... Camry it would be.

You guys would be surprised what auto tranny cars I would choose a manual Camry over.

 

Manuals are OK in sporty/performance cars, but I can't see the point of one in a Camry. I'd want a Camry to transport me to my destination with as little input as possible. If the car could drive itself that would be even better.

 

w0rd!

I could not fathom driving my Aura with a manual. The 4 speed downshifts just fine when I need to pass and I AVERAGE 32 on long highway trips with the AT.

 

Not good enough for California's coming CO2 regs. There will not be anything bigger than a Prius in California very soon.

 

I think we need to change our requirements for getting a drivers license, like the "no stickshift, no drivers license" policy (which is what I like to call it) that occurs in most of europe and asia (save japan).

 

Did the Camry get a facelift for 2010? The greenish thing on the Kicking Tires site looks like it has a new nose; regarding which, I might add :barf:

Or has it always looked like that and I never noticed?

 

had a bunch more pix when that snot-logo-dripping-on-the-grille first came out
(apologies to all elephant seals for this comparison)

 

yes 2010 camry will get a facelife

the new 2.5L engine for LE will be 169 HP
the SE 2.5L will give 179HP instead
if you like manual on SE there will be a 6speed manual for you
if you like auto all 2.5L will come with 6 speed auto

also camry will receive LED tail light too

 

The link to 'Kicking Tires' on cars.com pretty much gives the non-biased summary.

 

Kicking Tires ????

At least half the staff appears to still be actively receiving pay and or consideration from Toyota -

Nice job btw, you forgot to include the Saturn Aura and Pontiac G6 in the 22/33 mpg club.

I think some people need to post videos of themselves having fun driving manual trans Camrys. I mean, do they grin ear to ear and giggle like school girls while pushing in the clutch and pulling the Camry's shifter? Does it make one feel like Dale Earnhardt? :lmao:

reposted for sheer awesomeness.

+1 and what's coming up next, a "Hurst Camry" with a Hurst shifter?

- tires that go past 19 -24 K ???


And another video that would be good would be concerning *early* and *expensive* tire replacement on that SE.

Toyota is always so thoughtful - buried at the back of the e brochure - but visible nowhere else are all the disclaimers -

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Recently, on a business trip to Kentucky, I had the misfortune of being forced into a Camry rental. That thing drove like a boat, all over the road, with not a hint of handling. And at the stoplight, I look down and instantly see a glaringly misaligned dash panel. All within a horribly grey, cheap interior. Blech. Words cannot even describe how bad that Camry was.

After driving a Saturn Aura XE low end stripper model and having a blast driving it followed by a wallowing cheaply made POS Camry, I cannot fathom why anyone would buy a Camry. The Camry is utter junk. Period. End of story.

Don't take my word for it. Go rent an Aura. Drive it. You'll never take the Camry again. Ever.

Yep. :yup:

Not to say the the 2.4 Ecotec isn't, but, how do we know it's noticeably smoother and more refined?

Well, for now, you'll just have to trust me that's the way it is - especially higher up.

You're leaving out, however, the base Malibu LS, -

Yea, I did on purpose ... to nice to Ford

which is still the 30 mpg highway 4-speed automatic,

- see, there it is - compare that to any 6sp mt Fusion - if you can 'get' what I'm gettin' at here....

including the 2010 according to the online order guide (1LT gets the 6AT standard, still optional on the LS). And a '10 Fusion S automatic is still less expensive than an '09 Malibu LS. Like the Fusion S, the Malibu LS has limited optional equipment, though neither the Malibu LS nor the Fusion S could be considered strippers. The days of truly stripped midsize cars are about over...probably the closest thing we have now is the Kia Optima LX with optional ABS.

Well, I imagine a row of 22/33 mpg Malibus and Auras in all kinds of build configurations works out as well or better than a varied row of Fusions with variably lower numbers on the dealership lots with regards to a buyer and posted FE numbers.

Think about it.

The only Fusion product rated higher than that is the Hybrid and the very specialized low end "S" model that's slower, and has an extremely limited option set - and only by 1 mpg HIGHWAY or CITY at that.

It looks like a realistic possibility that more Malibus and Auras and maybe even the G6s will be going out the door ( retail ) with a better number more often and when behind, less often and by less.

As to your ' - there are no stripper' midsizers anymore..... versus optional equipment - all midsize car price lists including the new Fusion suggest strongly otherwise as they all have around at the minimum a 50% optional base price extension - some are more.

Probably depends on how you defined stripped. Arbitrarily I look within a given product's own line up.

What about weight? The Fusion is lighter than a Malibu, isn't it?

Can't remember. However, if this is the case...... well, just more feathers in GM's cap and less in Ford's ??? - think it thru.

Older platform..... more weight / mass, greater mpg ???

The thing about that is there is no manual transmission Malibu/Aura at all.

Yep. - which is what I prefer myself but hey, reality is the stick is dead and dying in many segments at this point. I'm very glad Ford did it but their FE loss on the mt appears a little high unless its truly quicker by a bunch.

GM will lose ( net) little without it.

Most Aura/Malibus will likely be with the 6AT, but Ford is still the one that can advertise best-in-class fuel mileage with the 34 mpg Fusion. It's analogous to the best-selling full-size pickup - overall, the GM platform sells more, but the individual Ford nameplate sells more.

Combined is the same? - there is an easy work around given how the EPA / NHTSA wants those kinds of claims to be made. Ford actually cannot claim in singular, unqualified fashion best in class ( with the conventional - they can with the hybrid ) although they can claim that for if 'qualified' the right way - which isn't sexy at all.

I need to recheck that combined number I maybe thinking of something else.

 

If I had a choice on anything GM produces I would take a manual every time......EVERY time. I understand that they don't want to offer them in most anything but base full size trucks, CTS-V and the Vette, but come on......

So after 2 model years the Camry finally caught up with a Mali and it took a manual to do it eh? This is so uninspiring.

 

Normal model year overlap. This 2.4L has been in use since 2002. It was time for it to be updated like the Malibu was updated last year and the Fusion is being updated this year. Nothing to see here.

However the cost issue begins to raise it's head.
The 6 spd AT Fusion is the leader at 34 Hwy
The 6 spd AT Malibu is 2nd at 33 Hwy .. but it costs $695 more than the others
The 6 spd AT Camry is 3rd at 32 Hwy
The 5 spd AT Sonata is tied for 3rd at 32 Hwy
The CVT Altima is 5th at 31 Hwy
The 5 spd at Accord is 6th at 30 Hwy
The 4 spd AT Malibu is 6th at 30 Hwy

These are the ones that count because these are where the bulk of the buying public will spend their money. Forget the MT's, except for a few weirdos these are inconsequential.

 

Can you get the manual with the higher end equipment?
If so, then I consider it a victory. Only the Fusion and Altima did that.

 

well the Fusion gets 34 with automatic and 33 with manual ..

winner !!

Igor

 

And the Fusion Hybrid get bets mpg than the Camry Hybrid.

 

I think the point here is that Toyota was bested by the Malibu, and less than a year later they stepped up and upped the fuel mileage. It's THAT kind of attention to their product and the market that keeps Toyota in the game. Their cars aren't significantly (if at all) better than the competiton... but Toyota DOES seem to stay on their game and not let themselves get too far behind.

 

Agreed! :yup:

 

I have a 09 Camry XLE V-6 and in over 42,000 miles I am getting 28.12 MPG overall.

I have had a Malibu (company car) and it was a POS. The next co car was a Fusion (nice car). I bought my own car in August and glad that I did, it is much quieter than either the Malibu or the Fusion and get better MPG as well.

I had the choice between a Milan and a Saturn Aura, I bought a Camry.

One of my co workers has an Aura and he rides with me from time to time and raves how quiet my car is.

 

Newsflash: Your 2005 Malibu was an entirely different car, from the engine bay to the bumpers and dashboard, than the new gen.

Someone had to break the news to you given your incessant whining about your 2005 Malibu, especially since in many of your posts a casual reader would have and could have easily construed your comments to have been regarding a new Malibu.

 

So Camry finally is up to where the Mali was in 2 Model years......so sad.

Problem is that it isn't that they made 33mpg, it is that it is in such a boring car inside and out, (yes I have driven many times the 2009 Camry SE my in-laws have).

 

GM needs to make the 6 speed transmission a standard, no cost feature on all Malibus.

It's ridiculous that they already haven't.

 

This is the same company that still puts a four-speed in what's supposed to be a luxury car. This surprises you?