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Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

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Cadillac chief Johnan is planning on a CLA rival, but on ALPHA with RWD. The idea is to still be luxury, with enthusiastic performance, and a cheaper price to compete with the Germans entry sedans that have chosen to use economy set-ups. One ride or drive in a Mercedes CLA and GLA and one should, with non-rose colored glasses come to the conclusion that the cars may be on Chevy levels when U get down to it. A Cruze LTZ comes across as a better luxury car than the CLA.. A Verano certainly. That's fact.

My view is that Cadillac needs time, without all the constant focus on their sales numbers to pull itself back to where it needs to be. GM has the sales numbers when looking at its premium operations. Between Cadillac and Buick, not even including GMC.. they sold 1.4 Million last year, Buick bringing in 1.1 million+. Cadillac should focus on its CT2 (ATS) CT4 (CTS) CT6, and CT8 and XT3(Alpha based 5door) XT4 (Alpha based 3door), XT5(SRX), XT7(Omega or Lambda based 5door) along with the Escalade and a Super car. 10 cars max.

Johnan is succumbing to idiotic public media pressure concerning last years measly 6% drop in sales, after a 22% increase the year before. Lack of PRODUCT PRODUCT PRODUCT is the culprit, and it seems as if no one, in the media is seeing it.

That being said.. if GM pursued a dual-channel strategy, utilizing Buick as the go-to, would people give Cadillac a pass when it comes to their sales not being as high as a Mercedes Benz which is fluffing sales using cars that are on Buick levels???

So we get from observers who kno.. but choose to ignore:

"Cadillac sales are in the dumps. They are selling some of the best cars in the segment, but their sales are down.. Must mean they aren't prestigious enough. Of course let's gloss over and FORGET that they are only selling 6 cars versus Benz who is selling 16. Let's also forget that Benz has a whole new host of entry level luxury vehicles, FWD based, that would otherwise be Buick competitors at best. "

So again. Will Cadillac get the pass??? Or if GM combined sales of the Cadillac and Buick brands.. with Buick essentially becoming the "Lasalle" of the day.. would people who care about sales let it slide that they are selling in two different slots like Mercedes is doing, under one name, to garner more sales? I say NO. I say every chance most haters get they will mention the strategy. I say that those very same people will constantly ignore the fact that Benz is selling low end cars that have very little to do with luxury, to shore up their CAFE requirements and aspirations of luxury segment sales supremacy.

It calls up the questions: Are sales important in the luxury segment? Are sales the gauge by which success is measured in this segment?

GM could take on Benz straight up with this line-up and would pull in as many sales with Cadillac selling a version of the Cruze, a Sonic, a Equinox, etc. Or are we saying that Cadillac must make as many sales with an exclusive, RWD based line-up of over the top performance cars while Benz gets to essentially cheat, and give us warmed over economy cars?

I believe that Cadillac should have CT2 CT4 CT6 CT8 and XT equivalents along with an Escalade and a Super car. 10 vehicles, but none of them have to be compromised in such a way as Benz has unleashed with the CLA.

I say that GM has an advantage with Buick. They could, for the sake of negative, almost exclusive to them, press releases about sales utilize Buick as their entry level brand. Between the two last year, GM garnered 400,000 sales in the U.S. That would have, under Benz rules (of putting mainstream level cars in the luxo line-up) that would have easily made them the best selling group of the year.


I agree that Cadillac still has to prove itself. The biggest problem I have with them having to prove themselves is that they seem to have to jump thru 30 hoops for those 30 years of troubles.. while brands like Audi.. which continues to have quality issues, get a pass. Ironically, in terms of sales, Audi really had a BAD year versus Caddy considering the amount of vehicles it sells. No one mentions it tho.. in fact just the opposite.
I will say that a back to back drive with "brand blinders" on would make most come away with a review that the top of the line Chevy, Ford, Honda, or Mazda as being on par or better than the $30K+ CLA.

The game has been rigged in such a way that Mercedes is essentially pulling the wool over sheepy eyes and selling them a vehicle, under the guise of luxury, that otherwise would be considered no better than a Chevy.The CLA has no place in a luxury car line-up. It is a sales and compliance vehicle that fluffed up Benzes sales. The GLA is another one. They are getting a pass simply because they are Mercedes.

Making a smaller ATS, a world class sport lux, is no different than BMW making a smaller 3series with the 2. I can get behind that, if sales supremacy is a non-issue. In order to compete with Benz tho.. Cadillac will need to do this.
Benz took an A-Class, essentially a Sonic competitor, not even a Cruze, and told U it was something else.
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

I don't think anyone cares. The issue isn't that Cadillac doesn't sell more than MB, the issue is that Cadillac is selling less than Cadillac. Year over year, sales are down in an up market. The cars are better than ever, and the sales are down. The issue is that ATS and CTS combined are selling less than CTS alone used to. Billions in development, and a fantastic platform, and sales are down.

Nobody cares how many models one brand sells or another brand has. Nobody gives Ford a pass if the F-series doesn't outsell the Silverado and Sierra combined (much less adding in the Colorado and Canyon). Why the double standard when it comes to Cadillac??

I don't think that anyone is saying that the ATS and CTS are not great cars (short of reliability issues)............... the question comes to mismanagement of the brand when sales are down compared to itself, in an up market.

This is a legitimate concern, especially based on the monies spent.
 
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I don't think anyone cares. The issue isn't that Cadillac doesn't sell more than MB, the issue is that Cadillac is selling less than Cadillac. Year over year, sales are down in an up market. The cars are better than ever, and the sales are down. The issue is that ATS and CTS combined are selling less than CTS alone used to. Billions in development, and a fantastic platform, and sales are down.

Nobody cares how many models one brand sells or another brand has. Nobody gives Ford a pass if the F-series doesn't outsell the Silverado and Sierra combined (much less adding in the Colorado and Canyon). Why the double standard when it comes to Cadillac??

I don't think that anyone is saying that the ATS and CTS are not great cars (short of reliability issues)............... the question comes to mismanagement of the brand when sales are down compared to itself, in an up market.

This is a legitimate concern, especially based on the monies spent.
ATS and CTS are worse cars from a comfort aspect than the CTS they replaced and neither replicate the same value formula. Neither are packaged remotely well. Sales are down because you're selling two cars at worse values than the one you're replacing and neither are packaged well. Put a sunroof in CTS and the roof is on your head.

ATS and CTS were nice for when they came out, but their competition (CTS in particular) was already old or aging. The new E will put the CTS on a trailer from an interior AND exterior (yup) design perspective. CT6 is not a particularly stunning car, inside or out.

Cadillac is not making cars that are competitive at their price points, and their sales reflect that. The issue is a ****ty bureaucracy and lack of leadership, which the last... 7? 8? Cadillacs have been executed without. ATS, CTS, ATS coupe, Escalade, ELR, XTS, CT6, XT5. XT5 remains to be seen in full, but I don't have my hopes up.

Cadillac is falling short that last 20%. The products lack detail. There's between little and nothing that makes a Cadillac a Cadillac (no soul in the cabin), and there are still obvious cheap outs. See: CT6 front center console. Etching Cadillac into some taillights, that's pretty cool... but that's just a start. An easter egg more than detail.

If I have to explain what Cadillac is missing, you don't get what's missing.

Cadillac has two things that they must improve on: marketing (they're already getting there) and product.

When I say product I'm speaking to various aspects of a product. Their current products are very good, but they need to be more exotic, flamboyant, and well, Cadillac. So while the ATS is a great car, the Lexus IS in many ways is a better ATS than the ATS is as a Cadillac. Why? It has an aesthetic exoticism and stunning (either in a good or a bad way depending on your opinion) look. As a bonus it has superb dynamics for which Cadillac wants to be known (and has). So even with a blah volume engine and an optional engine that's behind the Germans (same issue as Cadillac), they're selling quite well for Lexus. The CTS is better at this, particularly in the front. I will say I think it could look even more assertive and dynamic. More industry first innovations (historically a strongpoint for Cadillac) would also help the image. Lastly, additional product of course. Yes, the niche halo products (high end sedans, a premium sporty product, etc) are important for branding, but more important for growth and profits are S U V s. Yesterday. We need a sub-XT5, three-row Cadillac above the XT5 and an Escalade Sport, and that's just for starters.

Sub-ATS needs to happen later on. I don't think Cadillac should move downmarket just yet.
Cadillac's SUVs need to be on the brand's RWD platform. Just bringing out SUVs is half the battle. Bringing out SUVs that have the right synergies (thanks wescoent) with the rest of the portfolio is the other half.

You are right on IS. People here bash it and the rest of Lexus, but Lexus is making cars that appeal to me more than Cadillac does... and I HATE Lexus and everything Toyota does. Cadillacs are not exotic-looking enough. They are not as good-looking as they could or should be, and unless you have a bias toward Cadillac and will defend them no matter what, you know that I'm saying is true.

In terms of additional product, Cadillac needs a subcompact CUV (probably FWD; if you can do one on Alpha, go for it), a compact RWD XT3 (companion to CT3/ATS 2.0), a midsize RWD XT5 (companion to midsize CT5), and a full-size RWD XT7 (companion to CT6/CT8... whatever). With XT3+, their investments in LGR (where Omegas should be built, too) and Alpha/Omega could be better managed by maintaining flexibility in manufacturing. Just build what people want.

The luxury market for automobiles (and for most luxury products) must be based on three pillars: product, brand, and experience.

The greatest challenge he has is transforming the dealer experience
Ding. Dealers suck and even if their products' shortcomings were forgivable, the dealership experience isn't. I'm sure it's different elsewhere (we have a couple actual salespeople here that seem pretty decent), and I have had good experiences with management at Cadillac dealerships, their sales force sucks where I live.

It's not something Cadillac can just overcome with training, either. This is the #1 spot in the metro NY area for a brand (Mercedes) that outsells Cadillac 2:1. You have salespeople at the local big name Mercedes dealer that wear Presidents, take home $200k per year, and drive the cars they sell. Salespeople who deal with customers who have literally walked in with hundreds of thousands of dollars and walked out with (back then) Maybachs or SLRs. Upstairs in that massive dealership is the owner's private collection of Mercedes Benzes above an expansive floor plan filled with high end product. Marble, stained glass, high quality carpets, SPACE for the product and privacy of the customers.

Competing down the road is a Cadillac dealer that shoehorns two or three cars into the showroom, puts its rookie sales force in cloth-covered cubicles, and instead of driving Cadillacs or competitive product, drives some beat up green car with mismatched doors. In the same area, there is one more Cadillac dealer than Mercedes dealers (4 vs 3).

AT THE SAME TIME, there is ONE Audi dealer (impeccable sales force) in the same area as those three Mercedes dealers and those four Cadillac dealers. I go into Audi and Mercedes dealers and feel like I'm among peers; I go into a Cadillac dealer and feel like I'm in a Cadillac dealership.

Let me be clear, though... Mercedes salesmen are not inherently better salesmen or better people, they just sell more cars, more expensive cars, cars that are actually in demand, and as such don't have to do as much to sell the experience.

Cadillac's dealer experience is hampered by a TOO LARGE dealer network in every aspect imaginable.
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

The luxury market for automobiles (and for most luxury products) must be based on three pillars: product, brand, and experience. For Cadillac, the new product is quite close to its intended competition: Audi, BMW, M-B. In some measures, it is technically better. In some, it still requires work – but it’s certainly worthy of competing. The brand aspect is being addressed – it takes time, so the objective among us will be patient, and allow JDN to implement his plan.

The greatest challenge he has is transforming the dealer experience, as the PERCEPTION of this distribution channel is simply beneath that of the stated competition. There is no need to cite local instances or anecdotal examples contrary to this fact: The Cadillac dealer experience is simply NOT PERCEIVED by the target audience as worthy of their business. That target audience is NOT the same as in the past. Now there is a new kind of “Cadillac luxury”, and it is targeted toward a highly educated, sophisticated, nuanced, affluent buyer. There is an air of exclusivity associated with the new Cadillac, and sadly, there are far too many examples of Cadillac dealers that are not adept in marketing their services to that buyer. Those are “dealers” that are still pedaling the ‘deal’, and they are a drag on the new kind of image that Cadillac is attempting to cultivate.

Cadillac must attain brand retailers that promote the new image from advertising and promotion to service, facilities, and attention to even the smallest detail, from beginning to end. That is JDN greatest challenge at Cadillac.
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

The luxury market for automobiles (and for most luxury products) must be based on three pillars: product, brand, and experience.
Either you just got done watching the recent Autoline interview with the President of Lincoln or you two are of one mind. The sentence is damn near a direct quote.

http://www.autoline.tv/show/1932
 
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I think a smaller than ATS RWD sedan will be hard unless they have some packaging magic. Interior space will be a compromise. What's the point, especially when the market is trending away from sedans? A compact, luxurious performance oriented CUV on the other hand would be more practical (a tall, compact hatch with AWD) and would align to a hotspot in the market.

They need a full line of competitive CUVs and a targeted line up of sedans, coupes and other types.
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

I think a smaller than ATS RWD sedan will be hard unless they have some packaging magic. Interior space will be a compromise. What's the point, especially when the market is trending away from sedans? A compact, luxurious performance oriented CUV on the other hand would be more practical (a tall, compact hatch with AWD) and would align to a hotspot in the market.

They need a full line of competitive CUVs and a targeted line up of sedans, coupes and other types.
Well they could simply restyle and repackage the current ATS, which will be getting larger asking the lines of the ATS- L on sale in China
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

What are we talking about here?

What's most important? Sales? Profits? Image?

Since this is a business enterprise, I'd argue Profit is most important, especially in the context of its overall synergy with the rest of GM. Having an independent operation within GM that doesn't help the rest of the company is just bad business.

Like, who actually cares that MB, as a whole, sells more cars than Cadillac?
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

Cadillac has two things that they must improve on: marketing (they're already getting there) and product.

When I say product I'm speaking to various aspects of a product. Their current products are very good, but they need to be more exotic, flamboyant, and well, Cadillac. So while the ATS is a great car, the Lexus IS in many ways is a better ATS than the ATS is as a Cadillac. Why? It has an aesthetic exoticism and stunning (either in a good or a bad way depending on your opinion) look. As a bonus it has superb dynamics for which Cadillac wants to be known (and has). So even with a blah volume engine and an optional engine that's behind the Germans (same issue as Cadillac), they're selling quite well for Lexus. The CTS is better at this, particularly in the front. I will say I think it could look even more assertive and dynamic. More industry first innovations (historically a strongpoint for Cadillac) would also help the image. Lastly, additional product of course. Yes, the niche halo products (high end sedans, a premium sporty product, etc) are important for branding, but more important for growth and profits are S U V s. Yesterday. We need a sub-XT5, three-row Cadillac above the XT5 and an Escalade Sport, and that's just for starters.

Sub-ATS needs to happen later on. I don't think Cadillac should move downmarket just yet.
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

Props to inrick1 for bringing up the dealer/ownership experience; that slipped my mind.

sfbreh said:
ATS and CTS were nice for when they came out, but their competition (CTS in particular) was already old or aging. The new E will put the CTS on a trailer from an interior AND exterior (yup) design perspective. CT6 is not a particularly stunning car, inside or out.
There were a few aspects in which both cars were already not quite there when they debuted. One example for both was the inclusion of the 6AT when the 8AT should've been standard with all engines right away. Another is using the LFX when a twin-turbo V-6 is necessary (which they still do not offer in replacement). So although the Cadillacs options would be priced well, one can at the same time find a competitive disavantage. For example, the base price of an A6 3.0T and the CTS 3.6 AWD are relatively comparable. However, the A6 offers considerably better performance (it's actually more Vsport than 3.6) and again for only similar money. Sure the Audi can be priced to 80K if you go with all the options which makes it a thousands more expensive than the Cadillac. However, at the same time that is including options the Cadillac simply does not offer, like night vision or a super high-end audio option. You aren't a better value if you're cheaper but offer fewer features. I love the CTS so I'm not just mindlessly harping on it. I just realize the ways that it could easily be made better and more diverse.

sfbreh said:
You are right on IS. People here bash it and the rest of Lexus, but Lexus is making cars that appeal to me more than Cadillac does... and I HATE Lexus and everything Toyota does. Cadillacs are not exotic-looking enough. They are not as good-looking as they could or should be, and unless you have a bias toward Cadillac and will defend them no matter what, you know that I'm saying is true.
The IS gets lamented on GMI because of its Toyota roots and its controversial styling. Clearly buyers think otherwise, given its sales last year. They're basically flat this year. Kind of ironic though, that even typically conservative Lexus made something with the exoticism that Cadillac needs for the ATS.

I actually like this Lexus commercial as a Cadillac ad. The focus words they use, like envy, desire, and pride are exactly what Cadillac should be associated with, and that "sinister" atmosphere is perfect too.


sfbreh said:
In terms of additional product, Cadillac needs a subcompact CUV (probably FWD; if you can do one on Alpha, go for it), a compact RWD XT3 (companion to CT3/ATS 2.0), a midsize RWD XT5 (companion to midsize CT5), and a full-size RWD XT7 (companion to CT6/CT8... whatever). With XT3+, their investments in LGR (where Omegas should be built, too) and Alpha/Omega could be better managed by maintaining flexibility in manufacturing. Just build what people want.
Yes. I actually want Cadillac to have two SUVs between the XT5 and Escalade, just as I want Lincoln to have two between the MKX and Navigator: an XT7 (like a super XT5) and an Escalade Sport (more a mini-Escalade), which maintains the detail and luxury of the Escalade but simply in a smaller package. It'd be more expensive and available with more power than the XT7.
 
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Re: Cadillac Sales Conundrum. How Can It Compete w/ a mainstreamed "German 3"?

There were a few aspects in which both cars were already not quite there when they debuted. One example for both was the inclusion of the 6AT when the 8AT should've been standard with all engines right away. Another is using the LFX when a twin-turbo V-6 is necessary (which they still do not offer in replacement). So although the Cadillacs options would be priced well, one can at the same time find a competitive disavantage. For example, the base price of an A6 3.0T and the CTS 3.6 AWD are relatively comparable. However, the A6 offers considerably better performance (it's actually more Vsport than 3.6) and again for only similar money. Sure the Audi can be priced to 80K if you go with all the options which makes it a thousands more expensive than the Cadillac. However, at the same time that is including options the Cadillac simply does not offer, like night vision or a super high-end audio option. You aren't a better value if you're cheaper but offer fewer features. I love the CTS so I'm not just mindlessly harping on it. I just realize the ways that it could easily be made better and more diverse.
I like the CTS, too. I had high hopes for it, but it just disappoints me. It looks great in person and anyone who owns one should be proud to, but I wish I honestly wanted one like I do an S or RS7.

The IS gets lamented on GMI because of its Toyota roots and its controversial styling. Clearly buyers think otherwise, given its sales last year. They're basically flat this year. Kind of ironic though, that even typically conservative Lexus made something with the exoticism that Cadillac needs for the ATS.

I actually like this Lexus commercial as a Cadillac ad. The focus words they use, like envy, desire, and pride are exactly what Cadillac should be associated with, and that "sinister" atmosphere is perfect too.

I totally agree with that. Cadillac needs to pursue a baser, harder marketing message. Dare Greatly does little for me. I get it, but it's too out there. Cadillacs should be deadly sins.

Best recent Cadillac marketing piece I'm pretty sure has never aired and was a teaser for the new CTS-V.


Cadillac marketing needs to be disruptive. Dare Greatly, I can take my eyes off of. Can't do it on that CTS-V piece.

Love the low music, love the lack of narration. No words needed.

Yes. I actually want Cadillac to have two SUVs between the XT5 and Escalade, just as I want Lincoln to have two between the MKX and Navigator: an XT7 (like a super XT5) and an Escalade Sport (more a mini-Escalade), which maintains the detail and luxury of the Escalade but simply in a smaller package. It'd be more expensive and available with more power than the XT7.
Too redundant. One makes the other or the Escalade obsolete. How many full-size SUVs can you sell? Your proposal has three per brand.

Two... tops. One would have to be niche.
 
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Buick needs to Get serious and get out of the FWD business, unless its in the Electric or technology area, they certainly have the volume in China and USA.

They can certainly Ying yang with Cadillac
Q for Buick is why they have the volume, and if RWD would help them maintain that.

Buick needs to stay FWD or it's pointless.
 
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I agree the CLA is a CRUZE at best BUT it IS SOLD and SERVICED from a MERCEDES dealer and wears the 3 pointed star while LOOKING it belongs
Buick will NEVER cover the same for CADDY or EVEN GM
there is a real-estate saying "buy the worst house in the best neighbourhood" and the CLA IS that house

I am not saying CADDY should stick a bow tie on a SONIC just "attacking" the premise of BUICK+CADDY = MB if anything Buick is more equal to FORD or VW in offering a PREMIUM NON LUX product for little more then the "cheap" asian imports / CHIVVIES
I HOLD out hope for the BMW based on the mini being at least a "premium" experience
 
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Before too long Cadillac is going to need to offer these more powerful engine optionsin additional countries, however, even if the volume is relatively low. Cadillac''s "USP" is supposed to be performance luxury; with that in mind it'll be challenging for them to build a successful reputation if they're only selling 2.0T and smaller engines in most of their cars with the occasional V-Series or some such.

There are multiple routes that Cadillac can take, but I would like to see the "2017 CT5" lineup look something like this:

$46,000 - 2.0T 300 hp/300 lb-ft | 8AT
$56,000 - 3.0TT 400 hp/400 lb-ft | 8AT
$65,000 - 3.6TT 500 hp/500 lb-ft | 8AT
$88,000 - 4.0TT 650 hp/650 lb-ft | 8AT

But I'd also be fine with a less involved update such as:

$46,000 - 2.0T 272 hp/295 lb-ft | 8AT
$56,000 - 3.0TT 350 hp/350 lb-ft | 8AT
$63,000 - 3.6TT 420 hp/430 lb-ft | 8AT
$88,000 - 4.0TT 650 hp/650 lb-ft | 8AT

However, I would be in favor of Cadillac making a name for themselves and being as aggressive towards the competition as possible in aspects such as powertrains.

EDIT I should also say that with talk of Cadillac moving towards their new twin-turbo V-8 plus their introduction of the LGW, I am slightly interested in whether or not it means that the LF3/LF4 is not going to be around that long beyond its current ATS-V/CTS Vsport/XTS Vsport applications. The LGW would replace a lot of the opportunities at the lower end and the V-8 at the higher end. Not saying that I think it WILL be gone soon, I'm just seeing that it now appears to be an opportunity if Cadillac wanted to do so.
 
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Go one better and copy the design of Rolles Royce and price the new models at the current price levels! Ford did this with the Fusion but only copy the front grill of Austin Martin and Lincoln is try it again with the new Lincoln Continental. Let face it, Cadillac current model looks are plain unattractive inside and out! For example, the Hyundai Genesis tops the high level Platinum level CTS and it is $12K less. Until Cadillac start to release better looking vehicles; none of the big 3 German luxury makers need to be concern. Plus how many people buy German luxury vs. Japanese luxury? American luxury is in far third place in America.


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Plus how many people buy German luxury vs. Japanese luxury? American luxury is in far third place in America.


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Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about. Some models in all three of the Asian luxury automakers are doing very well and very poorly in sales. Look at their sales figures for each month and see for yourself.

Cadillac is O.K., but could do better in sales in some areas. However, Cadillac is one of the best cars in each respective class at this moment.
 
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Cadillac really only has one aspirational vehicle the Escalade.....the BMW 3 series is aspirational....ATS not.....it will take time for other Cadillac models to get to Escalade status.....if ever.....
 
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Cadillac really only has one aspirational vehicle the Escalade.....the BMW 3 series is aspirational....ATS not.....it will take time for other Cadillac models to get to Escalade status.....if ever.....
To WHO??? I see ZERO about the dime a dozen 3Series in terms of aspiration. I mean this in a not confrontational way. To me, one of the attractive attributes of the ATS is the fact that it isn't as "common" as a 3series, which I consider the Camry of Luxury compacts. Where is the "dream" of owning a car that is seen more times daily than a freaking Camry?