NIce looking motor

And the torque "curve" looks like a coffee table

Interesting to see how the battle heats up between FPV and HSV

This was a most interesting quote

The current FPV GT and FPV F6 suffer from a lack of grip from takeoff. So it will be interesting to see how the new engine with more torque down low will cope with the 245mm wide tyres. HSV make do with 275mm tyres and less torque, so the jury will be out until we get a chance to test the car at its October launch.

Changes to the Dynamic Stability Control have helped reign in wheel spin off the line, but it’s unclear how well it will work with so much torque available from down low in the rev range.

It needs more tyre

 

You know the HSV GTS is 325/550nm, which is just below this engine, without being supercharged. Throw a supercharger on that LS3 ala the LSA and you have a coyote smoker.... plus all the other HSV goodies like magnetic ride control, launch control, etc.. that the falcon doesnt have.

Just sayin

 

No doubt

Also it would seem that Ford could turn the wick up a little if need be as well

In both cars the limiting factor would be drivetrain and chassis

HSV have had up to 375 kW (503 bhp) and 640 Nm (470 lb·ft) with the W427 so the chassis can handle it

The Ford is an unknown quantity in that area but i'm sure it would be able to if they needed it

A power war is sure to begin again

BTW - i think FPV will add launch control if they think it's necessary

 

That's one sweet motor.. but man is it Big. I hope the new Gen 5 motor from GM will stay compact, simple and clean... Just like a smallblock Chevy should be.

 

Ford need to rid themselves of iron block V8s..

 

?.. The new 5.0 is all aluminum. The only V8 with a Iron block is the 6.2 in the trucks.

 

So thats 449.xx hp, the Boss 302 makes 440 hp.....

I'm confused why Ford Austrailia would spend so much time and money for 9 hp?

I mean they where already re-working the 4.6L Mod Motor into the 5.0 Coyote in NA...

 

Well, when you look at this engine as more a replacement for the 5.4 DOHC than as a top-of-the-line output application, then it seems pretty reasonable. It's definitely tuned as much for fuel economy as it is for power.

 

That's a painful looking serpentine belt config. on that bad boy.

 

http://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-r....com/ford-racing-supercharger-upgrades-mustang-gt-5-0-to-525-or-624-horsepower/


By now, every pony-car fan knows that the Ford Mustang GT’s new-for-2011 5.0-liter V-8 engine cranks out 412 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque. Although that’s nothing to be ashamed of, tuners always want more go. So Ford Racing has unveiled a new supercharger kit for the 5.0, good for up to 624 ponies.

The kit includes a 2.3-liter, twin-screw supercharger co-developed with Roush and Whipple. It comes with a new intake manifold, air-to-liquid intercooler, higher-flow fuel injectors, and a tool to reprogram the engine-management computer. And yes, the blower is emissions-legal in all 50 states.

The base kit produces 525 hp and 470 lb-ft of torque; the supercharger is configured for seven psi of boost and needs 93-octane fuel. It costs $7199 if painted black or $7799 in polished chrome, and includes a 12-month/12,000-mile warranty if installed at a Ford dealership.


The step-up version pushes nine psi of boost through the 5.0, to create 624 hp and 536 lb-ft of torque, also on 93-octane gas. It costs $7499 in black or $8099 in chrome. There’s also a version of the kit aimed at hardcore tuners that includes all the hardware without any reprogramming tools, for $6499 in black or $7099 in chrome.

 

Pretty sure it's been set low to save the driveline

But i agree its a power war thing just to have a bigger number on the back of the car

that's it

 

Carsguide made it apparent that this engine is actually not a crate motor with a kit supercharger: it uses a Harrop Australian-made blower (licenced from Eaton) and the engine is hand-assembled from US-sourced parts. The old Boss 5.4 was a handmade unique-to-Australia motor, with a cast-iron block but twincam alloy 4v heads, also assembled here. In fact Ford US told Ford of Oz these wouldn't work together.....

Also be wary of the difference in hp ratings: in Australia Ford and Holden use the DIN ECE standard, which is more conservative than SAE, because the engine is held at peak power for longer which results in a power loss. Holden's SIDI 3.6 is rated at 20hp less than the Camaro - but is identical. Same with the HSV callibration of the LS3 compared to Camaro.

That means the blown FPV 5.0 might actually be more like 440hp in US ratings.

In the US, an after-market supercharging kit for the Ford Mustang’s Coyote V8 is said to produce a claimed 465kW, using the same Australian-made Harrop blower.

In the end, FPV opted for Ford’s then secret American-developed 5.0-litre Coyote V8, but as its performance was not much better than FPV’s outgoing, bigger-capacity 5.4-litre Boss V8, the Australian company bit the bullet on its own development program, which it started three years ago.

GoAuto article on Falcon

They've supercharged it because while the naturally-aspirated hp as used in the Mustang is fine, in a 4,000 lb car it was too torque-light and peaky. The other thing is, FPV's F6 is quicker in roll-ons than an LS3 HSV due to massive midrange; and they couldn't very well have a new V8 that's actually slower than their six, especially in in-gear roll-ons, where the F6 is killer.

On paper, it will have a 50-60hp advantage over the Commodore SS. Whether that translates into a enormous advantage? In many ways, the benchmark will be Ford's own turbo six. That is an interesting case: the FPV F6 puts out a lot more power than the XR6T turbo, which weighs less than the G6ET with the same engine. But most tester get almost the same performance figures, because the chassis has trouble getting all the power down from a standing start. They are quick, at less than 5 secs 0-62mph (0-100km/h). Once rolling, with traction control off they can easy light the tyres on a dry road......

Wider tyres won't make that much difference - it's more chassis balance and the rear suspension design.

If nothing else, this might prod HSV to bring the supercharged GTS to market. Walkinshaw bolts the Harrop blower on and in England the VXR8 Bathurst is sold with a Harrop blower bolted to the LS3 for 538 hp.

 

If nothing else, this might prod HSV to bring the supercharged GTS to market. Walkinshaw bolts the Harrop blower on and in England the VXR8 Bathurst is sold with a Harrop blower bolted to the LS3 for 538 hp.

I would LOVE to have that car... VXR8 Bathurst!!!

Loved the review they did on Top Gear a year or too ago.

 

^ yes, the SMH was saying that the Harrop sc is tuned for download takeoff and only gives an extra 9kw in power. Evidently this is an area that the Falcons struggle against the SS & HSVs.
But they also suggested 3 levels of tune, GT, GTP & GTHO with increasing power levels, potentially leading the HSVs by a lot in power ratings. Assuming, of course, that Holden does not react.

 

just from looking at the dyno chart at the beginning of the thread leads me to think that Ford Au just turned a jewel of 32 valve, variable valve timing, deliciousness into a truck motor! yeah the torque curve is as flat as Kansas, but the thing is all out of revs by 4700rpm (assuming u shift where hp and torque cross). and only a gain of 9hp?

even if the goal was economy AND power (by way of excessive torque; obviously) I'm sure they could have done much better in hp and torque with a higher revving supercharger set up. i hope this thing comes with taller gears so it doesn't seem so short of breath.

the new 5.0l is such a great motor (at least on paper) i don't understand why they choked it up so much.

 

INteresting that you say that because the 5.4 fitted to the BA Falcon was criticised by the press for having that feeling that it was being choked

It would rev waiting for the torque to come on stream and then hit the limiter

You probably had 1 or 2 thousand revs to plav with

They fixed it with the later BF and FG versions but the lighter and faster F6 is the weapon of choice for performance drivers

I dont think Ford AU would make another V8 with that Choked feeling

They fixed the last one its just a matter of it making enough twist to make it feel faster than an F6

Thats a tough ask in itself

 

I could easily imagine a 'Lincoln-ized' Falcon with a base, 3.5L Ecoboost V6 and an optional Miami V8 making for a very interesting luxury ride indeed. Give it a proper luxury sedan interior and appointments and Lincoln styling accents and that could make for a very desirable MKS replacement that truly combines power, style, and comfort the way Lincoln's used to.

Yes, I know it is never going to happen.

 

A new GTS-R would be a little message to Ford that reads

"bring it on"

 

Mr Quinn claimed that their tests suggested very fast 0-100km/h and more importantly 80-120km/h times, suggesting acceleration would be inline with some Porsches and Aston Martins.