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Didn't they always do that? We've (not you and I, but on GMI in general) of what the appropriate comparisons are. I think Cadillac has always positioned most of their vehicle's price against the size below in the German competition. I think GM just re-emphasized that and the story just picked up on that.
Yeah. That's GM's tweener strategy. It 's been like that for decades.
That's why in the early 2000s, you'd have Cadillac comparing the CTS to the BMW 3 on paper but showing a BMW 5 in the TV commercials.
The danger of that strategy is you end up splitting the market. Those looking for the price parity can see value in the CTS because it's larger and seemingly has "better value" than the 3 but won't have the performance because it's much larger. But if you were looking in the size class, CTS simply is outclassed by the 5. The hope and/or belief is that there is some middle-ground niche willing to buy the Cadillac. That's not really where you want to be.

XT4 sits at the midpoint of the Q3 and Q5 and is the same length as Q4.

That being said, CT4 and CT5 are better aligned to its German counterparts these days than the old CTS and STS ever were.
 
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So they decided years later after a refresh that, despite these "new" competitors being out when the model debuted, it suddenly should be compared to those models instead of the ones from before? And then it's good vs. the competition?
Why now?
GM always marketed the XT4 against the subcompacts. Motor Trend is simply deciding to accept Cadillac“s view of things.

Car and Driver is taking the tactic of comparing based on the tape measure instead of the price tag.

For example, they recently did a review of the CT4 350T and gave it a cursory comparison to the C-Class even as they acknowledge the C-Class is about $10,000 more expansive than the CT4 even when you add options.

That, I find odd, given they did a comparison of the CT4-V to the A Class and the 2 Series which it’s priced to target (the CT4-V won that comparison, btw). On the other hand, I believe Mercedes canceled the A Class in the US.
 
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60-0 in 109 feet is sport sedan territory.
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Here’s Car and Driver‘s latest review of the XT4. It’s not as effusive in praise as the Motor Trend review. Just as MotorTrend wanted more performance so does Car and Driver. It’s a ho hum, but fair review.

It does look like Motor Trend took a more detailed examination of the XT4‘s interior than Car and Driver and their commentary contradicts some portions of what Car and Driver has to say.

I do wish Cadillac would offer the 2.7T on AWD XT4s. It would heighten appreciation for the XT4, which Car and Driver once said had concept car good looks (but not in this review). If they can make the Escalade V on AWD, they can do the same with the XT4.

 
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Maybe they’ll pop the 2.5T in the XT4 now that EVs aren’t taking over the world by yesterday? 328 HP and 326 lb-ft in a XT4-V doesn’t sound bad. Or maybe Caddy wants the EVs to have better performance as a selling feature. The 2.5T was “spun off” from the 2.7T for FWD/AWD like the Traverse etc.

Genesis has their 300hp 2.5T in the GV70 for example.
 
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So look at Car and Driver’s test of the 2019 XT4 to the 2024 XT4 and I notice a major gap in 0-60 and 5-60 times.

2019 0-60 7.8
2024 0-60 7.0

2019 5-60 8.2
2024 5-60 7.3

Car and Driver says the BMW X1, VolvoXC 40, Lincoln Corsair, and Lexus NX 350 is faster in the 0-60 than the XT4, but the XT4 is faster in the 5-60 than the Lexus and faster and matches the Volvo.

Motor Trend notes that the trap sped in the 1/4 mile of about 92mph is better than the class average. Motor Trend and Car and Driver disagree on the quality of the interior. Motor Trend loved it and Car and Driver was lukewarm to it.

Motor Trend loved the Mondrian pattern embroidery on the dash, Car and Driver paid no attention to it. Motor Trend loved the interior upgrades, Car and Driver was unimpressed.
 
I am on my second XT4 Premium Luxury and thought about moving up to the 2024 Model. One feature I have on both of the previous vehicles was cornering lamps. GREAT during night driving in unlite areas. The 2024 XT4's do not have this feature with their NEW Front lighting. BOOOOOO
 
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So look at Car and Driver’s test of the 2019 XT4 to the 2024 XT4 and I notice a major gap in 0-60 and 5-60 times.

2019 0-60 7.8
2024 0-60 7.0

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The 2024 test includes .4sec for 1ft rollout, which the 2019 test doesn't seem to include. I think they changed their test procedure a few years ago. That explains .4sec...not sure about the other .4sec. Note that the EPA MPG changed from 22/29 to 23/28, maybe a bit shorter gearing?

 
The 2024 test includes .4sec for 1ft rollout, which the 2019 test doesn't seem to include. I think they changed their test procedure a few years ago. That explains .4sec...not sure about the other .4sec. Note that the EPA MPG changed from 22/29 to 23/28, maybe a bit shorter gearing?

That rollout procedure is common in testing now. Most of the Auto writers note that when publishing results.
 
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That rollout procedure is common in testing now. Most of the Auto writers note that when publishing results.
C&D did make note of it. They’ve been doing that at least since the CT4-V came out.
 
Went to the Cadillac website to build one. Bad setup. I couldn't switch from the Sport model to the Luxury or Premium Luxury models. Clicked all over all sorts of things, no response.

That doesn't inspire confidence in buyers.
 
Went to the Cadillac website to build one. Bad setup. I couldn't switch from the Sport model to the Luxury or Premium Luxury models. Clicked all over all sorts of things, no response.

That doesn't inspire confidence in buyers.
I use the Cadillac website all the time and have never experienced the same. You must log out and log back in for changes
 
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