Quite possibly the worst looking vehicle ever produced, the front is absolute garbage.

 

Lolz.

Wow, they did their homework! JDN - you reading all this?

And I like the interior, much better than that bag of discongrouos parts that make up the overdone Continental. I'm not crazy over the exterior, but I'm sure not everyone likes the Escalade exterior either (which I like)....

Yeah, like this much more than the Continental. I am quite impressed. I am surprised and delighted at the attention to detail, I did not see that coming. The reviews seem to be very positive and agree with that thought. :tup::

 

Wow, they did their homework! JDN - you reading all this?

And I like the interior, much better than that bag of discongrouos parts that make up the overdone Continental. I'm not crazy over the exterior, but I'm sure not everyone likes the Escalade exterior either (which I like)....

 

Pretty good reviews so far. Good job Lincoln! Now the next Escalade has to be great as Lincoln has set the bar pretty high (especially interior wise)

 

It could stand to look more truckish and less like a tall station wagon.

 

I seriously disliked the wheels when they made the "concept" and still dont like them. They are just bad. It really takes away from the clean profile they gave the truck.

It's going to be interesting to see how the buying public jumps on this. Navigator has long been a has been so by keeping the name they really need to wade through the bad history and sell the new one.

 

I personally find the Navigator attractive and the interior class leading. The wheels are original so some might be put off at first. Double overhead cam turbocharged V6 and 32 valve V8 with fully independent rear suspension, makes the Escalade seem like an antiquated lumber wagon in comparison.

 

can anyone tell me where those American reviewers see the refinement in this interior? I neither see it on pictures nor I feel it when I am inside of GLS. The padded glove-box and upper-part of door panels are a nice touch but center console, buttons, switches, A/C vents, LCD screen looking like a tablet are all far from refined-looking. Meanwhile the Navigator's interior looks classy. At least in pictures.

Also take note JDN:

The new interior is a knockout. It’s wholly unique and derivative of nothing. As much as the new Volvo interior design is unreservedly Scandinavian, the Navigator’s design is unmistakably and unabashedly American.

That's what I want to read about every new Cadillac!

 

Also take note JDN

He knows.

 

The harder someone tries to convince us that it's ugly, the more I see it's style clearer and recognize jealousy.

BTW, which review claimed it is much better than the Escalade?

 

Jealous? Hardly, not of that gaudy thing.

 

In a strictly objective sense it is probably better than the Escalade, but the Cadillac is a unique status symbol and sell better. Brand matters.

 

And it had better be better than the now 4 year old Escalade. There's no surprise that the all new Navigator was going one up the Escalade in some very important areas. This kind of competition is indeed very good!

 

Wow that front end is terrible!

 

Some consider this face terrible,

 

Looks like the boys are heavy on it today

 

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Looks like the boys are heavy on it today

Yep. I hope they got their favorite flavor, or we'll hear about that too.

 

To me they both look distinctively American and unlike anything else in their class, so if some interpret that as gaudy then I guess that's what they are to those eyes.

NEITHER is a bad looking SUV IMO.

 

What I'm curious to know is how long ot will take Lincoln to sell down that '17 Navigator inventory
maybe aggressive incentives to get deals done..could be some good bargains before Christmas.

 

Yeah, I expect December numbers to be up a fair amount to clear out 2017s.

 

While this forum is generally an enjoyable place to take in a variety of opinions of the full range of automotive product I have to admit it's at it's most enjoyable when Ford/Lincoln actually do something right! The kneejerk haterade from a select few increases in direct proportion to how well a Ford/Lincoln product is reviewed. I hope Lincoln continues to struggle even if only out of concern for the mental health of a few posters.

 

I always love how a situation unfolds like this. FOMOCO introduces a new product like the Navigator, it's direct competitor is the now 4 year old Escalade. Why is anybody surprised its a better vehicle? Why would one dispute this? Again, a fresh product sure in the he!! better be superior than its aged competition or the company making it may as well shut the doors. Throw Lincoln a bone here, they did a great job and it FINALLY gives the Escalade a real threat from its domestic rival.

 

GM must be worried about Navigator:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...tors/2017/11/07/gm-offers-escalade-discount-lincoln-debuts-navigator/107431916/

For car shoppers with an eye on Ford Motor Co.’s new Navigator SUV — or any Lincoln, for that matter — General Motors Co. is offering a $5,000 discount to make them think twice.

The nationwide deal on GM’s Cadillac Escalade sport utility vehicles this month applies to any buyer trading in a 1999 or newer Lincoln model, according to a memo sent to dealers and obtained by Bloomberg News. Jim Cain, a GM spokesman, confirmed its authenticity.

 

I would be. I'd be soiling my K-Mart shorts if I were GM.

I don't expect the Nav to overtake the Escalade or even come close, but a misstep? Whither on the vine too long? Release an ugly model with poor quality materials? Reliability issues? Couple a better Nav with an XT7/8 and the Escalade will have its balls in a vice.

I see Lincoln playing the long game with the Navi; the Assassin's Mace strategy.

Are you joking? This monstrosity makes the Pontiac Aztec look decent. The wheels are atrocious, the grill is comical even by Ford standards, and the headlights don't even lineup with the bodyline. Only the most dyed in the wool Ford apologist would say this thing looks anything other than hideous. It's a hot mess.

"Things that aren't true" for $800.

 

I had a 2003 Navigator long ago. It was a phenomenal truck for its time, so much nicer than the Escalade despite its lack of power. Everything about it was super satisfying.

 

In many ways the older Navigator was superior to the Cadillac.

GM won the "fashion over function" on this one; follow the herd.

 

In many ways the older Navigator was superior to the Cadillac.