[dratnol]

Well, when i got the SHO demo, the trunk was well packed. Unbelievable amount of space and how much it can hold.
My only complaint was the back seat leg room. It did seem to have a little more than my 06 STS. The comfort level up front was great.

Thanks for posting that Jry. That makes a nice measuring stick since I can jump in the back of my STS to compare versus guess from some numbers on the spec sheet.

 

[K-1]

And your opinion.............. on anything, from a brand that you hate............. means what??

Are you honestly sitting here, and complaining about features on the "stripper" model???

Go sit in a stripper Impala............. then come back and talk to us.

You do understand that there is a reason why there are different trim levels, right??

Why bring GM into this? We're talking about "Perfect Ford" and how the executive genius Mulally puts out a superior product. Everyone knows GM is mediocre at best, so why are they the yardstick? You guys are making it sound like Ford is only better because GM sucks so badly. That isn't saying much. How about you look at the actual competition.

Ahh, Ford, another failure in the making, unlike the über-successful Saturn Astra.

Again, why compare Ford only to a GM product? This is "Perfect Ford" we're talking about. The product should be superior to all competition, not just mediocre GM. "Better" is a relative term, and your comparison is flawed, if it uses GM as the baseline.

LOL. The list was so ridiculous that I decided against commenting about it directly . . . but then again, who am I to resist temptation? So, I will make a blanket statement about the list . . .

Yup, just ignore the vehicle's faults. "Perfect Ford" makes no mistakes and always puts out a superior product, regardless of its shortcomings. Keep polishing those rose-colored glasses and keep the blinders up. This is exactly what you "Perfect Ford" guys do to GMIers when a new product comes out. Take it like a man, and admit the car has faults, or piss off. Your feigned ignorance is telling.

I have to admit that I stopped right there. The main problem that you have with this car is that it is not a GM product. No engine cover, really? If that is one of the serious problems that you have with the car it will have it made. Also just to point out, diesel engines have been running direct injection for quite some time, it is not a new development that renders all others like your Astra low tech.

It isn't an ordered list, so it's a shame you stopped at the first two issues. They get better as you go down. I was just running down "Perfect Ford's" competitive comparison on the website, so the top items aren't necessarily my most significant. And, to be frank, I'm not a GM fan, I'm a Saturn fan. The day Saturn broke from the clusterf**k of GM brands is the day GM as a company dropped from my favor. The Taurus on the whole may be a great product, but it is seriously lacking in the details in comparison to the competition, particularly when its fearless, executive genius leader is so highly trumpeted.

Direct injection on diesels is irrelevent. It's its inclusion into the gasoline engine that's noteworthy. For such a significantly updated product as the Taurus, it should have come out of the gate with the powertrains, fuel economy, and emissions to match. The SHO powertrain is a nice fielding, but the base engine is lacking. If a Camaro with 300+hp can manage 29mpg, how can "Perfect Ford" think 27 is acceptable? It isn't.

The complaints on the trunk and demeaning the "designer" is a total laugh. (Trunk designer, come on). The reason that there isn't a pop up or otherwise specialized flimsy bin thing is because there is a spare tire right there. A quick search has not shown much of anything sedan wise for pop-up trunk organizers. I will take a spare tire over some useless doodad.

So... a trunk is just magically incorporated into a vehicle? Of course someone "designs" the trunk space. Somebody put conscious effort into the "well" in the trunk floor. It could, and should, have been a better effort with regard to the supposed quality of the company and executive staff.

Inside that "well," a cargo organizer like the first-gen VUE's would have fit, and made the trunk floor completely flat. It wouldn't have gotten rid of the spare. If there's a spare with the "well," an organizer the same size of the "well" would obviously fit. Don't be so obtuse about it. Designing just the "well" was a cop-out and obvious cost-cutting move. On your flag-ship sedan, "cost-cutting" shouldn't even be in the vernacular.

 

[mooseman]

Again, why compare Ford only to a GM product? This is "Perfect Ford" we're talking about. The product should be superior to all competition, not just mediocre GM. "Better" is a relative term, and your comparison is flawed, if it uses GM as the baseline.

...wow, its almost if you read what I wrote, but didn't comprehend any of it.

Let's see again;

ME: ...reading all the quotes from everyone who reviewed the Taurus, they all say the same thing. Its not just better than the domestic competition, its not just better than the import competition, its better than many of the luxury import competition.

So, since I didn't use GM as my baseline is it ok, now? The reviewers surely didn't use GM as their baseline. When you are mentioned in the same breath in the reviews as Audi A6, Lexus GS, and Infiniti M35, I don't think fleet-sale Impala is your starting point.

So, if you wanna take up their use of relative metrics, take it up with the reviewers. But I'm sure they'll laugh and say; uh, duh, thats what critics do.

 

[K-1]

...wow, its almost if you read what I wrote, but didn't comprehend any of it.

Let's see again;

ME: ...reading all the quotes from everyone who reviewed the Taurus, they all say the same thing. Its not just better than the domestic competition, its not just better than the import competition, its better than many of the luxury import competition.

So, since I didn't use GM as my baseline is it ok, now? The reviewers surely didn't use GM as their baseline. When you are mentioned in the same breath in the reviews as Audi A6, Lexus GS, and Infiniti M35, I don't think fleet-sale Impala is your starting point.

So, if you wanna take up their use of relative metrics, take it up with the reviewers. But I'm sure they'll laugh and say; uh, duh, thats what critics do.

Wow. It's like you read my post and then blindly ignored the piece I quoted and responded to. But really, what more can I expect from Ford fans?

 

[Extreme4x4]

Look outside............... it is a beautiful day.

Your posts come across as significantly angry, and you have directed your anger at Ford. I'm sorry that GM grossly mismanaged the brand that you love. It sucks that many brands, that people are passionate about, have been tossed aside, like a broken branch.

However, Ford had nothing to do with it.

That said, what superior Saturn product............... you know, the one that you compared to the Taurus, to come up with your list................ did you use, as your metric of perfection?? Also, would you really look at the engine and say "gee, I was ready to buy this ____________, but it doesn't have an engine cover, therefore, it sucks and I won't buy it."

 

[K-1]

Look outside............... it is a beautiful day.

It's about 90* out with 60% humidity. It's partly sunny, but that's not a beautiful day. Regardless, I'd feel the exact same way about the assertions of Ford's superiority even on a crappy day.

Your posts come across as significantly angry, and you have directed your anger at Ford. I'm sorry that GM grossly mismanaged the brand that you love. It sucks that many brands, that people are passionate about, have been tossed aside, like a broken branch.

However, Ford had nothing to do with it.

What GM has done with Saturn has nothing to do with "Perfect Ford" fielding a sub-par product. Ford fans, as expected, are dry-humping it en masse.

That said, what superior Saturn product............... you know, the one that you compared to the Taurus, to come up with your list................ did you use, as your metric of perfection?? Also, would you really look at the engine and say "gee, I was ready to buy this ____________, but it doesn't have an engine cover, therefore, it sucks and I won't buy it."

Again with the GM comparisons! Geez, people. Since when does "competition" = GM? And I certainly never said a Saturn product was the baseline. Reading comprehension, guys. It's severely lacking.

Did you look at the entire list (unordered, remember?) or is the engine cover your sticking point? It isn't a deal-breaker, but seriously, this is supposed to be the Ford flagship sedan, and the engine bay is an untidy mess.

Read everything in the list. All but the last are tangible short-comings. As a fan, you can turn a blind eye, but that doesn't negate them to the rest of the world.

 

[dratnol]

Take it like a man, and admit the car has faults, or piss off. Your feigned ignorance is telling.

Wow, you sure have a lot of anger and rage built up. The truly sad part is the only one here calling Ford perfect or Mullaly a genius is you. The made up boggy men that go around promoting this (unless you mean yourself) is a hoot. I didn't bother to count the number of times you did so in just this post but so far it has been limited to you, so you can drop the drama.

It isn't an ordered list, so it's a shame you stopped at the first two issues. They get better as you go down. I was just running down "Perfect Ford's" competitive comparison on the website, so the top items aren't necessarily my most significant. And, to be frank, I'm not a GM fan, I'm a Saturn fan. The day Saturn broke from the clusterf**k of GM brands is the day GM as a company dropped from my favor. The Taurus on the whole may be a great product, but it is seriously lacking in the details in comparison to the competition, particularly when its fearless, executive genius leader is so highly trumpeted.

Direct injection on diesels is irrelevent. It's its inclusion into the gasoline engine that's noteworthy. For such a significantly updated product as the Taurus, it should have come out of the gate with the powertrains, fuel economy, and emissions to match. The SHO powertrain is a nice fielding, but the base engine is lacking. If a Camaro with 300+hp can manage 29mpg, how can "Perfect Ford" think 27 is acceptable? It isn't.

Whoa, stop the bus there Ace. You have been complaining about GM cars being used as the measuring stick and then you bring the Camaro into this? The Camaro competes with a full sized family sedan how?

Your first two complaints against the Taurus were so ridiculous that I question how anyone much less you can take that list seriously. Have you stepped back, read, and comprehended what you have written?

You bring up DI on diesels has being irrelevant but I have a news flash, direct injection is not brand new on gas engines either. Mercedes used direct injection on the 1955 300SL, so it is not that new or that revolutionary. To say so would be the equivalent of the OHV/OHC debate that is usually pushed by import owners (OHC has been around since the early 1900s).

So... a trunk is just magically incorporated into a vehicle? Of course someone "designs" the trunk space. Somebody put conscious effort into the "well" in the trunk floor. It could, and should, have been a better effort with regard to the supposed quality of the company and executive staff.

Inside that "well," a cargo organizer like the first-gen VUE's would have fit, and made the trunk floor completely flat. It wouldn't have gotten rid of the spare. If there's a spare with the "well," an organizer the same size of the "well" would obviously fit. Don't be so obtuse about it. Designing just the "well" was a cop-out and obvious cost-cutting move. On your flag-ship sedan, "cost-cutting" shouldn't even be in the vernacular.

Once again your anger has clouded your judgment. Surely someone designs the trunk but not to the extent you are promoting. Once again you come up with some stupid statement about the CEO of Ford for this. One thing that I have noticed is that you offer no baseline or direct competitor for this car that has the "features" you claim the Taurus is missing. Your silly organizer would add weight, be another thing wasting usable trunk space, and just add to costs. Seriously, take your own advise and don't be so obtuse about it.

After reading your posts I think that need to seek the help of a professional. Life is too short to build up the amount of anger and hate that you have against an inanimate object. Just relax and enjoy life.

 

[King Riffle]

Yes, I suppose a cheap, plastic engine cover would be a wonderful addition to this car.

Oh, and how about a little window on the hood to show off our plastic cover? Wouldn't that just be grand?



C'mon, seriously? One of your gripes with this car is it's lack of an engine cover to get in the way?

Besides, engines look better without them.

 

[Simon says]

Wow, you sure have a lot of anger and rage built up. The truly sad part is the only one here calling Ford perfect or Mullaly a genius is you.

Him . . . and the known GM cheerleader . . . the Autoextremist:

But saying that, the U.S. auto company to watch is Ford. I believe that Ford will emerge as the largest and most profitable U.S. automaker and stay that way for the foreseeable future. They have the strongest management team (led by ex-Boeing executive Alan Mulally who is simply one of the best who has ever worked in this business), they have sensational products here and on the way (their new product cadence is extremely impressive and rivals that of any automaker in the business), and they are demonstrating signs of real momentum in an absolutely dreadful market.

I expect Ford to be a global force to be reckoned with in this business for years to come.​

Me too :

 

[jry]

Yes, I suppose a cheap, plastic engine cover would be a wonderful addition to this car.

Oh, and how about a little window on the hood to show off our plastic cover? Wouldn't that just be grand?



C'mon, seriously? One of your gripes with this car is it's lack of an engine cover to get in the way?

Besides, engines look better without them.

Some of those suckers just do not come off easy. Most of them just get in the way.

 

[ford&holden]

Exactly, it's very narrow. It looks to only be about 60% of the available width. Poor design.

Take a look at the Pontiac G8, same problem, if not worse.