[Infiniti Z350]

...but I almost have bad feelings about this whole generation of Altima and Maxima and won't feel comfortable giving them a second chance until they go through ground up redesigns.

I don't think you're paying attention. The 2007 Altima is a full deseign.

 

[nsap]

I don't think you're paying attention. The 2007 Altima is a full deseign.

Never would have guessed that. Design wise it looks like no more than a refresh.

 

[Infiniti Z350]

Never would have guessed that. Design wise it looks like no more than a refresh.

Why completely throw out a design that works overall?

 

[griswold44]

Never would have guessed that. Design wise it looks like no more than a refresh.

A 'refresh' is when you give a car a new grille, headlights, or something else minor like that. A 'redesign' is when the body, engine, interior, etc. are all new or changed.

 

[SnapOversteer]

I would call it a moderate reskin. A lot of sheetmetal work was done, but overall, it's not entirely different from the model it replaces.

 

[Perfectionist]

Uh, I'm reading 268hp and 248lb-ft on Toyota's own website.

Well, if you recall, the Avalon was first rated at 280hp before the new regulations (regular fuel only for tests) were placed into effect.

 

[Perfectionist]

I love the M/T V6 option, it's just too bad no one buys them. I've rarely seen one. It's like the manual transmission is dead. People swear like their difficult in traffic. With a torquey V6, you just ease the clutch out and let it roll, unless you're up in the mountains. Ugh, we're so lazy.

But don't you know how hard it is to eat a big mac, talk on your cell phone, and drink your coffee with a m/t!!!!

 

[Perfectionist]

Never would have guessed that. Design wise it looks like no more than a refresh.

Seems to be a nissan trend, I had to look twice at the new G35 to see it was actually different. (I think it was the G35)

 

[Infiniti Z350]

I would call it a moderate reskin. A lot of sheetmetal work was done, but overall, it's not entirely different from the model it replaces.

Yes, it is. It's on an enitrely new platform for one thing. Not to mention the totally new transmissions and interior and the revised engine and supension.

Doesn't get too much more "entirely different" than that.

 

[FordFan]

I don't know how a transmission can do that but if it does, you shouldn't be driving quite frankly.

look at the Five-Hundred list complaints.

Well, obviously it can or they wouldn't be using it, now would they?

http://www.woai.com/ate/AutoRepair/story.aspx?content_id=E4E4886B-6D04-4C21-A74A-73BBCC272B06

they should not have used thart either, right?

 

[Infiniti Z350]

I don't know how a transmission can do that but if it does, you shouldn't be driving quite frankly.[/qoute]

look at the Five-Hundred list complaints.

Not the same setup. All CVTs aren't exactly the same.

http://www.woai.com/ate/AutoRepair/story.aspx?content_id=E4E4886B-6D04-4C21-A74A-73BBCC272B06

they should not have used thart either, right?

A fauly batch of parts doesn't mean the design itself was poor. You didn't see all of those engines reported as problematic, did you?

Stick the to topic, anyway. What does that have to do with Nissan CVT durability?

 

[Michael_S]

oh and i doubt a CVT can handle 270HP without getting ripped, though the weight of that car is the only thing impressive about it.

Nissan has been offering a CVT in the 240 horsepower Murano since it was introduced. Ford has a CVT working fine in the Five Hundred, Freestyle, and Montego.

The technology is coming alone fine.

 

[lio45]

But don't you know how hard it is to eat a big mac, talk on your cell phone, and drink your coffee with a m/t!!!!

Nailed it.

(On the other hand, I've done all of the above in my M/T vehicles... on special occasions, of course [I'm usually a responsible driver]. Not as easy, but doable.)

Infiniti Z350: no need to take the CVT bashing personally. It's not against Nissan, it's against CVTs.

Parking brake
M/T --> Hand brake on center console
A/T --> Foot brake

Is that a new trend? A foot brake in a midsize Japanese sedan... I thought those were for Crown Victorias and trucks!

 

[nsap]

Is that a new trend? A foot brake in a midsize Japanese sedan... I thought those were for Crown Victorias and trucks!

Well, look whats buying the Japanese midsize sedan. The same crowd that has been buying Crown Vic's, the Medicare crowd. Granted, it is mostly the Camry and Accord attracting those buyers.

 

[FordFan]

The S-Class has a Foot-brake IIRC.

 

[Mags]

Updates on the trims. I'll go over the highlights instead of regurgitating the spec sheet.

2.5 S
2.5 L I4
6 speed MT
ABS
Full size spare tire
16' full steel wheel covers
Chrome license plate finisher
Dual chrome tipped exhaust
Auto on/off headlights
Power/heated/colour keyed outside mirrors
Push button ignition
Intelligent key
6 speaker AM/FM/CD player with AUX input
Power door locks/windows
Keyless entry
Trip computer
5 cupholders
Dual front/side/curtain airbags
Tire pressure monitoring system

2.5 S CVT
Same as 2.5 S but with the CVT tranny which has manual shift mode as well

2.5 S Convenience Package
Either 2.5 S or 2.5 S CVT
16' alloy wheels
8 way power driver's seat
Heated front seats
Leather wrapped wheel
Steering wheel radio controls
Auto up/down driver/passenger windows
Upgraded interior trim
Cargo net

2.5 SL
All of the stuff in the 2.5 S Convenience Package
Power sliding glass sunroof with tilt
Leather seats
Power lumbar driver's seat
Auto dimming rear view mirror
Dual zone climate control
Rear air vents
Bose 6 disc in dash CD changer with MP3/WMA and 9 speakers
Bluetooth
Homelink

3.5 S
Everything the 2.5 S CVT has
3.5 L V6
Traction control
Heated front seats (cloth)
Outside turn lights in side mirrors

3.5 SE
Everything in the 2.5 S with Convenience Package
3.5 L V6
CVT is option, M6 is standard
17' inch alloy wheels
Performance suspension tuning
Fog lights
Outside turn lights in side mirrors
Dual zone climate control

3.5 SE Leather Package
Vehicle dynamic control
Leather seats
Heated front seats
Rear air vents
Leather gear shift
Auto dimming rearview mirror
Compass
Power driver's lumbar
Bose 6 disc in dash with MP3/WMA, AM/FM and 9 speakers
Bluetooth

Navigation Package
DVD navi system
7' colour display with tilt function
Compass in navi display
Touch screen
Rearview monitor
Satellite radio
Voice activation Bluetooth phone and navigation features

Colours
Carryover colours
Silver Mist
Ebony
Sparkle Red
Majestic Blue
New colours
Niagara Grey
Precision Grey
Pebble Beach
Metallic Jade
Satin White

...

Whew. That about sums it up.

MF

 

[SnapOversteer]

Yes, it is. It's on an enitrely new platform for one thing. Not to mention the totally new transmissions and interior and the revised engine and supension.

Doesn't get too much more "entirely different" than that.

I was referring more to the design, not the actual underpinnings. It's a good thing the platform has been changed, it's been around quite a while, but it's just too bad Nissan didn't change up the looks a little more.

 

[a_v_s]

OR rather, those are the numbers listed for the ES350. But the ES does state the use of Premium, and since the Camry/ES has the same engine, yeah 272 is with the Premium fuel.

How do you know the tuning is the same though? Isn't that like saying the Altima and M35 have the same engine, and the 06' M35 is listed at 280hp under new SAE standards, so the Altima is actually underated?

 

[Xenon]

look at the Five-Hundred list complaints.




http://www.woai.com/ate/AutoRepair/story.aspx?content_id=E4E4886B-6D04-4C21-A74A-73BBCC272B06

they should not have used thart either, right?

Are you sure its the transmission and not theengine itself? The 3.0 barley has 200 hp in that car. Its a miracle that it isnt slower than a semi with that power output.

 

[Xenon]

oh and i doubt a CVT can handle 270HP without getting ripped, though the weight of that car is the only thing impressive about it.

Usually, tranny strength is measured by how much TORQUE it can handle, not hp. HP is basically the amount of torque in a given RPM range.