CT6 testing In Germany
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That is a design by our own MonarroSS.![Image]()
Where is this concept? They have never shown it(
Shame, because it looks beautiful even with the a&s design.
I want Caddy to make a big beautiful and expensive coupe. Smth special and not just another cadillac like the ct6.
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The XJ has sold only 1,400 Units,and The Audi A8 has only sold 1,200 Units as of April 2015. Still nothing to cheer about,since the Audi is down 10% this year,and the Jaguar is down 22% in sales this year,with the Luxury market being red-hot.
Flagship Vehicles aren't expected to have the volume of sales as an entry-level, or mainstream model,the XTS isn't a Flagship Vehicle,and the comparison to the S-Class/7-series/XJ at their prices,is unfair to the XTS. Those models SHOULD BE more refined,and have superior horsepower,considering their difference in price!
Yet,you put cars like the Equus into the Luxury Flagship conversation,and it has no pedigree,little prestige, or history in selling premium vehicles to the American market. The XTS is priced more like the E-Class and 5-Series,and sized more like the Short -Wheelbase Mercedes and BMW models. Either you're getting much more car for the money,with the XTS,or you're being drastically overcharged for the same size vehicle,in the body of Jaguar,Mercedes,BMW,Lexus,etc...
If the so-called prestige and exclusivity is real enough for the Customer to perceive that the extra money is worth it,more power to you,but you might want to look at the depreciation values of BMW/Benz/Jaguar/Lexus;the 3-Series,5-Series,Audi A4,are all in the Top Ten for most depreciation! The S-Class sales are down 2.9% this year,the E-Class sales are down 33%,A8 down 12%,XJ sales are down 24%,LS Lexus sales are down 14.5%,and Panamera sales are down by 25%! the XTS has an increase of 13.6% this year. Audi turned it around,just give GM some time.
The Top 10% of the population has helped set the Luxury market on fire,but the demographic for the Luxury Car category is not the same as the Large Car category. Most people won't cross-shop the XTS and MKS against the S-Class or 7-Series,but it's done here all the time.
Flagship Vehicles aren't expected to have the volume of sales as an entry-level, or mainstream model,the XTS isn't a Flagship Vehicle,and the comparison to the S-Class/7-series/XJ at their prices,is unfair to the XTS. Those models SHOULD BE more refined,and have superior horsepower,considering their difference in price!
Yet,you put cars like the Equus into the Luxury Flagship conversation,and it has no pedigree,little prestige, or history in selling premium vehicles to the American market. The XTS is priced more like the E-Class and 5-Series,and sized more like the Short -Wheelbase Mercedes and BMW models. Either you're getting much more car for the money,with the XTS,or you're being drastically overcharged for the same size vehicle,in the body of Jaguar,Mercedes,BMW,Lexus,etc...
If the so-called prestige and exclusivity is real enough for the Customer to perceive that the extra money is worth it,more power to you,but you might want to look at the depreciation values of BMW/Benz/Jaguar/Lexus;the 3-Series,5-Series,Audi A4,are all in the Top Ten for most depreciation! The S-Class sales are down 2.9% this year,the E-Class sales are down 33%,A8 down 12%,XJ sales are down 24%,LS Lexus sales are down 14.5%,and Panamera sales are down by 25%! the XTS has an increase of 13.6% this year. Audi turned it around,just give GM some time.
The Top 10% of the population has helped set the Luxury market on fire,but the demographic for the Luxury Car category is not the same as the Large Car category. Most people won't cross-shop the XTS and MKS against the S-Class or 7-Series,but it's done here all the time.
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I didn't know that design and designed have different meanings in german and english. Thanks for the clarification.
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I LOVE the Avenir!Sorry for the off, but some pics from China.
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:001_wub: Caddy should make smth like this. What a beauty)
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MBUSA consistently releases sales numbers that include the sprinter. There's your answer… unless anyone thinks the sprinter sells to retail customers.
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How much you want to bet that a Chinese company is already building prototypes of their version...?
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I believe the Glamour concept became the Elmiraj.
That rear 3/4's shot with the tail-light and trunk lid looks identical to the Elmiraj.
That rear 3/4's shot with the tail-light and trunk lid looks identical to the Elmiraj.
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I do not get why people bring up the S Class. Cadillac has said there will be another product above CT6 to target the S Class and A8.
Came out after the Elmiraj was shown. I think it was a 4 door coupe/Avenir-like concept
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Sorry for the off, but some pics from China.
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:001_wub: Caddy should make smth like this. What a beauty)
Yes they should. I only pray this won't be wasted as Opel in Europe. They better keep it as Buick in U.S. and China and rebadge it to Cadillac for Europe.
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I wonder if they'd fear putting out a new concept in that it might further dampen sales of ATS, CTS and CT6?
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It's not concepts they need to worry about, but, rather, an Avenir that looks better than the CT6, and at a mcuh loweer price point!
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You go to your church, I'll go to mine.
Make mine the Cadillac, thank you.
And we have no idea what the price structure of the CT6 is, and the Avenir is still just a possibility and hasn't been priced.
For decades, there was a Buick and even an Oldsmobile built on the same chassis foundation as Cadillacs. I'm sure there were plenty of people that thought either or both were better looking than the Cadillac of the day.
Why shouldn't GM offer luxury sedans that appeal to a wider number of buyers? Assuming an Avenir like car is built for Buick, some will prefer it to the Cadillac. Many will feel the Cadillac is better.
I would like to see something like the Avenir for Buick. But to say that GM would actually allow it surpass the Cadillac is objective terms is kinda' silly. Again, appearance is a matter of personal opinion. You prefer the Avenir. I, the Cadillac.
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The CT6 is not aimed at the traditional luxury buyer, AKA , S Class, XJ etc, as far as I can piece together from disjointed Cadillac communication, the car is engineered for those that want to drive the car themselves. Do not be surprised if it can hang with an M5 and the CTS Vsport.
The CTS V is going to obliterate anything with 4 doors.
In other words, this is a Cadillac. Yeah, the Market might still love the S Class, but that is not the buyer Cadillac wants to go after with this car.
The CTS V is going to obliterate anything with 4 doors.
In other words, this is a Cadillac. Yeah, the Market might still love the S Class, but that is not the buyer Cadillac wants to go after with this car.
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How can it dampen sales of the CT6? It's not on the market yet.
And stunning concepts don't effect sales of current vehicles of a brand. What it does is call attention to a brand. Did the Evoq of 1999 dampen anything? On the contrary, it got a lot of buzz built for Cadillac.
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