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No they shouldnt. The media doesnt know anything about engines.
Ever hear of the new 5.7L HEMI. It seems to be in all the dodge and chrysler vehicles. It is NOT DOHC its a OHV. Name one time when you read someone not liking it because it was OHV.

Umm.. how about every article on the 3800 and 3800 II. Generally, it would say, that it is a tried and true engine based on older technology. While <enter Japanese model here> has a smooth operating DOHC.

HMEI gets a lot of press because it's a HEMI. If it was a nameless X.0 L V8... it wouldn't be given the time of day. HEMI is helping market DCX cars just as much as the cars themselves. You hear the commercials... "blah blah blah car from Chrysler.... with the HEMI...."

Media doesn't know much about engine? Perhaps. And neither do most average customers. What they DO notice is the smoothness of the DOHC over the OHV. Which in turn makes them choose the DOHC.

GM needs to start playing the perception game.
 

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the northstar motors have hemispherical combustion chambers but you dont hear anything about those.
 

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Umm.. how about every article on the 3800 and 3800 II. Generally, it would say, that it is a tried and true engine based on older technology. While <enter Japanese model here> has a smooth operating DOHC.

HMEI gets a lot of press because it's a HEMI. If it was a nameless X.0 L V8... it wouldn't be given the time of day. HEMI is helping market DCX cars just as much as the cars themselves. You hear the commercials... "blah blah blah car from Chrysler.... with the HEMI...."

Media doesn't know much about engine? Perhaps. And neither do most average customers. What they DO notice is the smoothness of the DOHC over the OHV. Which in turn makes them choose the DOHC.

GM needs to start playing the perception game.

BS if they know most of GMs engines are OHV and say they're bad and they know Hemi is OHV then why dont they say the same thing about them?

Id bet if you drove 2 cars one OHV and the other DOHC you wouldnt tell the difference.
 

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BS if they know most of GMs engines are OHV and say they're bad and they know Hemi is OHV then why dont they say the same thing about them?

Id bet if you drove 2 cars one OHV and the other DOHC you wouldnt tell the difference.

It's a case of marketing. Marketing can make a bad product good. Or a good product really good.

All my cars are DOHC.
 

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About the HEMI... not sure if it's true, but one of my friends dads took apart the new HEMI engine (from the Ram or 300C, I forget which) and said it DOESN'T have the hemispherical combustion chambers... which makes the HEMI name false... can anyone verify this claim?
 

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Unfortuanetly, I don't want Oldsmobile anymore. It is irrelavant. Now that Saturn is moving in the way of Oldsmobile: a supreme import fighter, why would we need them back? Plus, where would they place Oldsmobile if Pontiac is suppose to be the performance division....Saturn the import fighter...Chevrolet the all american car.....Buick the American Lexus...Cadillac the American Benz...GMC the truck brand....Hummer the unique brand...and Saab the Sweedish-euro fighter.
 

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The HEMI is a great motor, and it IS a HEMI true to the meaning of the word but they went a little on the conservative side, see for yourself.





the combustion chambers are hemispherical, but the pistons are not as domed as the pistons on the original hemi were.

Reference...

heres a pic of the northstar head...



and piston...

 

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olds is gone isn;t it?


lets look at SAAB 9-7x is big hot thing, then the v6- 2,8 L 250 hp for all 9-3 CV and sedan and new WAGON, then a new 9-x HATCH, a 6-7 passenger called 9-6 x and a new 9-5. I cant wait untill my y ear lease is up on the 9-5 aero stick!


Subaru bygger ny stadsjeep för Saab
Ny Teknik kan i dag avslöja att Saab utvecklar en ny, sportig stadsjeep baserad på en plattform från japanska Subaru. Den blir fyrhjulsdriven med plats för sju personer. En första prototyp presenteras redan i januari nästa år på Detroits bilsalong.

Saab 9-6x med plats för sju
Illustration Jonas Askergren
Stadsjeepar är framtiden för Saab. Den bil, 9-7x, som man nyligen presenterade på bilmässan i New York, ska följas av nya modeller.

Men nästa gång får Saab mer att säga till om. För 9-7x är egentligen en Chevrolet Trailblazer med förändringar i front, inredning och hjulupphängning. Modellen kom till för att snabbt få ut en stadsjeep till de amerikanska Saabhandlarna.

9-6x mera "Saabig" än 9-7x
Den nya stadsjeepen kallad 9-6x, ska få fler karaktäristiska Saab-drag. Den blir sportigare, lättare, mer personbilsaktig - och sjusitsig.

Den blir också lyxigare med tydligare kvalitetskänsla för att direkt konkurrera med bland annat japanska Lexus och tyska BMW. Trolig produktionsstart; andra halvåret 2006.

Saabs tekniker i Trollhättan är sedan en tid djupt involverade i utvecklingsarbetet, och designchefen Michael Mauer har gett bilen en aggressiv form som ska understryka Saabkaraktären.

Bilen får sju sittplatser, där de bakre sätena går att fälla ner om man behöver mer plats för bagage. En liknande lösning har Volvo i sin stadsjeep XC90.

Ska tillverkas hos Subaru i USA
Japanska Subaru, som ingår i GM-familjen, står för grundkonstruktionen. Det är också Subaru som ska tillverka bilen vid sin fabrik i Lafayette, i den amerikanska delstaten Indiana. Här har Subaru en underutnyttjad fabrik med kapacitet för 230 000 bilar per år. Eventuellt ska även GM använda samma plattform för sitt varumärke Buick.

Den nya stadsjeepen blir mer lik en personbil till konstruktion och köregenskaper. 9-6x blir lägre, kortare och lättare än 9-7x, och drar därmed betydligt mindre bensin.

Motorn blir en sexcylindrig boxermotor från Subaru, som i turboversionen ska ge runt 300 hästkrafter (ca 225 kW). Drivningen sker på alla fyra hjulen på samma sätt som i Subarus övriga bilmodeller.

Saab har god erfarenhet av att samarbeta med Subaru. Det är Subaru som bygger den lilla modell, 9-2x, som nyligen introducerades i USA. Och tillsammans med Subaru utvecklar Saab en framtida ersättare till denna bil.

Problem att få in en dieselmotor
Det största problemet med Subaru är att företaget inte tillverkar dieselmotor. Sådana är nödvändiga på den europeiska marknaden.

Det går inte heller att stoppa in vanliga dieselmotor i Subarus konstruktioner, eftersom dessa bygger på att det ligger en boxermotor under huven. Boxermotorn kännetecknas av att cylindrarna ligger rakt emot varandra, i stället för att sitta på rad eller i vinkel. Det ger plattare motorer med jämn och tyst gång, samt lägre tyngdpunkt.

Men dieseldrivna boxermotorer är svårare att utveckla och dyrare att bygga än konventionella dieselmotorer. Subaru har gjort en grundutveckling till en direktinsprutad dieselmotor. Men om fortsatt utveckling, och framtida tillverkning, ska bli lönsam krävs att motorn utnyttjas i fler bilar än i Subarus egna. Samarbetet med Saab öppnar den möjligheten. Därmed skulle 9-6x även kunna säljas i Sverige och övriga Europa.

Inom Saab vill man inte kommentera Ny Tekniks avslöjande:

- Vi kan bara säga att samarbetet med övriga företag inom GM-världen går vidare, säger Christer Nilsson, presschef på Saab Automobile. Och vi har flera valmöjligheter att söka olika lösningar.

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mgescuro said:
Umm... Let's see...

Saturn Sky
Saturn Aura
Saturn VUE
Saturn Relay

Oh wait... Oldsmobile?? :rotf:
Those aren't real cars, they're Saturns. No self-respecting Olds lover would ever buy one.
 

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Oldsmobiles have been part of my family for years now, I just love them. In the case of my Bravada, I think it was the best looking GMT360 body out there. Next I want to get an Aurora with the V8, just super looking car I think. I think Gm screwed up cuting Olds, but they could never shake that grandpap's car image. So they cut the division and use alot of the Bravada's body work for the Buick and Saab, that wasnt right.
 

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Oldsmobiles have been part of my family for years now, I just love them. In the case of my Bravada, I think it was the best looking GMT360 body out there. Next I want to get an Aurora with the V8, just super looking car I think. I think Gm screwed up cuting Olds, but they could never shake that grandpap's car image. So they cut the division and use alot of the Bravada's body work for the Buick and Saab, that wasnt right.
I personally like the GMC better... never took to the grille work on the Brav... as for the Aurora, I love the looks of that car, too! And I wish they had kept Olds... :( But what do you expect from GM with it's issues...
 

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Bump. I know there's alotta Oldsmophiles out there. Where are you?
 

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Here's my update:

My Ideal Oldsmobile Lineup
Calais-Delta platform
2.4L ECOTEC L4 180 HP SL
2.0L ECOTEC DI S/C L4 240 HP SLX
6-Speed Manual, 6-Speed Automatic

Alero-Epsilon
3.5L 224 HP V6 SL
3.9L 250 HP V6 SLX
3.6L 270 HP V6 GTX
6-Speed Automatic

442-Muscle Car, Zeta Platform
5.3L 320 HP V8 5300
6.0L 395 HP V8 6000
7.0L 470 HP V8 Cutlass
6-Speed DSG

Toronado-Front Drive Personal Luxury Coupe on Epsilon Platform
3.6L 275 HP V6 SL/SLX
5.3L 320 HP V8 GT/GTX
6-Speed Manual, 6-Speed Automatic

Cutlass Supreme-Rear Drive Zeta Sport Sedan
3.6L 275 HP V6 SL
6.0L 365 HP V8 SLX
6-Speed Automatic
 

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I can tell everyone right now that if Olds was still a brand I would be buying a new one right now hands down.
 

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mgescuro said:
Umm... Let's see...

Saturn Sky
Saturn Aura
Saturn VUE
Saturn Relay

Oh wait... Oldsmobile?? :rotf:
Saturn is far from Oldsmobile. (Olds being the superior.)
 

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Bump to see peoples thoughts...
 

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I like to keep my armchair management anchored in at least some delusions of reality. If GM was to revive Oldsmobile, I believe it should be a limited-volume international ultra-high-tech luxury brand. GM is working on bringing innovation straight to their "production" brands (no more EV1s and the like), but I guess there is still a little margin to carve out (e.g. focus more on eco than performance, which would be inacceptable in a Cadillac and too expensive for a Buick, fuel cell vehicle and the like).

OTOH, I believe with the trend towards "mass customization", where people desire unique and tailor-made even from products previously mass-made (not to mention cars, which could've been largely custom-made in previous decades), I believe GM should cash on that - make Oldsmobile their very own exotic car maker, with the advantage of established sales & service network.

A few vehicles I can think of for the time being:

1. CC - As of now, Cadillac doesn't have an answer for the CLS. A sleek Oldsmobile 98 Aurora revival could cover the market for the time being, with an out-of-this-world, finally serious attempt at an uber-future interior.

A few examples (exterior, we all know how the Aurora looked on the outside):


Fun hi-tech from Volvo


More hi-tech from Saab


Back to the space age with Holden Efijy

Let our powers combine! ;)


2. A neat clean-styled cloth-roof custom-built cabrio on Epsilon in the mold of the last Cutlass Supreme (though I hate the name)

(can't find a good photo, gotta go now - might be back later)
 

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442 was a performance package offered on the cutlass. seems stupid to offer a cutlass then a completely different car called the 442.

and 442 stood for 400 cubic inch, 4 barrel carburator, and dual(2) exhaust. how can we have a car called a 442 when we dont have a 400 cubic inch motor, and carburated cars arent made anymore.
You mean 4 cylinders, 4 valves per cylinder, and 2 camshafts?

 

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Bravada, I agree.

On the 442 note: How about call it the 862? 8 cylinders, 6 gears, 2 (dual) exhaust. :D lol Stupid name, I know.
 
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