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XC90 Will Be First Volvo to Get V-8 Engine
Posted 6/17/04 2:43 p.m. CDT

By James R. Healey
USA Today

Swedish automaker Volvo, known more for sensible safety than high performance, is planning its first V-8 engine early next year as an option on the popular XC90 sport-utility vehicle.

Yamaha will custom-build Volvo’s first V-8 engine, which the automaker will put in its best seller, the XC90.

It’s part of a push by Volvo Cars North America CEO Victor Doolan to make the brand more exciting. Doolan formerly ran German automaker BMW’s U.S. operations.

“Nearly 100 people out of 100 know what we stand for; only 25 of them put us on their shopping lists,” Doolan says. “The Volvo brand is strong, but lacks the excitement people look for.”

The 4.4-liter, 320-horsepower V-8s are to be custom-built for Volvo by high-performance specialist Yamaha in Japan and shipped to Sweden for installation in XC90s, nearly all for the U.S. market.

Doolan forecasts 10,000 to 12,000 per year, roughly 8 percent of Volvo’s U.S sales.

The V-8 will become optional on some other Volvos 15 to 18 months after making its debut in the SUV, Doolan says.

Volvo is owned by Ford Motor and considered using a V-8 from Ford-owned Jaguar, but preferred the trimmer fit of the Yamaha-built engine because it allows more crush space to absorb crash forces.

Volvo mainly uses turbocharged five-cylinder engines, powerful but not as smooth as V-8s, especially in stop-and-go traffic.

“An appropriate, sophisticated V-8 could work very well, appealing to both the European cognoscenti and the broad American market,” says Jim Hossack, analyst at industry consultant AutoPacific.

“The average American favors a V-8, and in that [price] segment, people aren’t as sensitive to high gas prices, so that won’t dissuade them,” says Anthony Pratt, global powertrain specialist at consultant J.D. Power and Associates.

The V-8 model, probably priced in the low $40,000 range and likely to take the place of the twin-turbocharged T6 model within a year, shows that Doolan’s begun to banish the torpor that has kept the conservative Swedish automaker from putting some of its most-interesting ideas into production.

The brand has dabbled with V-8s since 1970, for instance, but never developed them for production, even as the important U.S. market began demanding more and smoother power that’s generally beyond the reach of turbocharged, small-displacement engines that Volvo favors.

A V-8 should do well, Doolan says, because “The only negative about XC90 is performance.”

That’s not quite so. The model’s been hurt by niggling quality gaffes — some as minor, but irritating, as faulty key rings — that have kept it off the influential Consumer Reports magazine’s “recommended” list.

Doolan says those problems have been fixed, and the next round of quality surveys and next year’s Consumer Reports auto rankings should show great improvement.

Despite poor quality scores, XC90 is the best-selling Volvo, the top-selling European-brand SUV, and is riding a sales boom as main rivals BMW X5 and Mercedes-Benz M-Class struggle with slumps. According to sales tracker Autodata, XC90 sales this year are up 24.7 percent vs. last year’s. X5 sales are down 15.4 percent. M-class is off 14.4 percent.

In addition to being an unusually bold move for Volvo, the V-8 shows that automakers are going to great lengths to stand out in the increasingly competitive crossover SUV market.

Crossovers are based on car chassis and drivetrains, which make them smoother riding and running than truck-based SUVs. They incorporate the high ground clearance and elevated seating that make truck-based SUVs popular. Most offer four-wheel drive for bad weather.

They typically get better fuel economy because they weigh less and use smaller engines than truck-based SUVs.


From Cars.com at:
http://www.cars.com/news/stories/061704_st...ry&aff=national
 

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But the 2.9 Twin Turbo I6 is much more exotic!
I betcha that 4.4 V8 will not have as much grunt
(although it definately wins with its horsepower).
 

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Originally posted by surferdude00711@Jun 18 2004, 10:40 PM
If you look, the symbol on/around a Volvo grill is the same symbol that designates a female. Like a circle with a down arrow to the left.
No, it's the man symbol, but it also stands for stregnth. Volvo (rolling in latin) + the strength symbol = rolling strength, their motto. One of the very few company logo that means something.
 

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Where is Ming when you need him! Look, this one is getting a V8! No, not pushrods, but a V8 none the less!
Guess they were getting scared about the Saab 9-7x!?!?! Betcha there 4.4 doesnt have DoD either!
Score 1 for GM.
 

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Originally posted by bigals87z28@Jun 19 2004, 06:51 AM
Where is Ming when you need him! Look, this one is getting a V8! No, not pushrods, but a V8 none the less!
Guess they were getting scared about the Saab 9-7x!?!?! Betcha there 4.4 doesnt have DoD either!
Score 1 for GM.
The XC90 is the best-selling Euro' SUV in North America and Volvo has the best selling line of SUVs (MB and BMW SUV sales were way down last I looked). It's the competition that should be scared.

The 9-7x has enough bad karma around it to cause cancer :frankie:

Anyone who thinks a GM pushrod v8 is superior to a Yamaha DOHC v8 knows nothing...
 

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Originally posted by stewacide+Jun 19 2004, 03:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (stewacide @ Jun 19 2004, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigals87z28@Jun 19 2004, 06:51 AM
Where is Ming when you need him!  Look, this one is getting a V8!  No, not pushrods, but a V8 none the less! 
Guess they were getting scared about the Saab 9-7x!?!?!  Betcha there 4.4 doesnt have DoD either! 
Score 1 for GM.
The XC90 is the best-selling Euro' SUV in North America and Volvo has the best selling line of SUVs (MB and BMW SUV sales were way down last I looked). It's the competition that should be scared.

The 9-7x has enough bad karma around it to cause cancer :frankie:

Anyone who thinks a GM pushrod v8 is superior to a Yamaha DOHC v8 knows nothing... [/b][/quote]
oh, so because its OHC, its so far advaced!! oooooo

how the 9-7x has bad Karma is beyond me.

Anyone who thinks the OHC is superior to OHV has another thing coming. What makes it superior?
Size?
More expensive to produce, maintain, and fix?
that its made by Yamaha?
That it will probably run on high octane?
yeah...superior alright. :rolleyes:
 

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Didn't Yamaha develop the heads on the ill-fated SHO 3.9L V8, whose bad cam drives had a tendency to lead to completely ruined engines? Or did they just work on the original SHO V6.

As I recall, the Taurus SHO V8's performance was none too impressive either, but the exotic engine drove the costs beyond what most customers would pay.

Stew, you're a Ford guy or so it seems. Am I all wet on this?
 

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The 9-7x has massive bad karma because it's a barely facelifted oldsmobile BoF truck with an OHC GM v8 trying to pass as a SAAB! It's just wrong, wrong, wrong!

And the Yamaha engine will be a gleaming alloy work of art, with every bit of tech they can think to throw at it. Sure it'll cost more, but it's no doubt the superior engine. The TrailBlazer is barely competative in its class - how is it going to do against BMW, MB, etc in Saab clothing!?!
 

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I looked at the www.v8sho.com site, and Yamaha did design everything from the head gaskets on up on the V8 SHO motors. SHO owners have several lawsuits against Ford on these engines because the cam drives let loose pretty early and it's a zero clearance engine, so when they go, the engine is gone. One article on the site said it's a $13,000 engine to replace!

At one point on the site, they blame Ford for the defect instead of Yamaha, although if Yamaha designed everything from the head gaskets on up, it's hard to see why.

Anyway, I hope Yamaha has their act together on this one, and if these motors cost $13,000, they had better be much more than works of art.
 

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Originally posted by bigals87z28+Jun 19 2004, 09:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigals87z28 @ Jun 19 2004, 09:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 03:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-bigals87z28
@Jun 19 2004, 06:51 AM
Where is Ming when you need him!  Look, this one is getting a V8!  No, not pushrods, but a V8 none the less! 
Guess they were getting scared about the Saab 9-7x!?!?!  Betcha there 4.4 doesnt have DoD either! 
Score 1 for GM.

The XC90 is the best-selling Euro' SUV in North America and Volvo has the best selling line of SUVs (MB and BMW SUV sales were way down last I looked). It's the competition that should be scared.

The 9-7x has enough bad karma around it to cause cancer :frankie:

Anyone who thinks a GM pushrod v8 is superior to a Yamaha DOHC v8 knows nothing...
oh, so because its OHC, its so far advaced!! oooooo

how the 9-7x has bad Karma is beyond me.

Anyone who thinks the OHC is superior to OHV has another thing coming. What makes it superior?
Size?
More expensive to produce, maintain, and fix?
that its made by Yamaha?
That it will probably run on high octane?
yeah...superior alright. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Sorry, but I have to agree with stewacide, the XC90 is a better SUV than the 9-7X...
 

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America is horsepower hungry. You can see. When Volvo builds V-8s is when America is horsepower hungry. But, I don't understand!!!?? We continue to complain about the large gas prices, but yet we continue to buy Tahoes, and V-8 engines.

And just because the 9-7x has 20 less horsepower, doesn't mean it might not be faster. Of course, the Caddy STS is faster than the 300C with 20 less horsepower.
 

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Originally posted by RCtennis3811+Jun 19 2004, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RCtennis3811 @ Jun 19 2004, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 03:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-bigals87z28
@Jun 19 2004, 06:51 AM
Where is Ming when you need him!  Look, this one is getting a V8!  No, not pushrods, but a V8 none the less! 
Guess they were getting scared about the Saab 9-7x!?!?!  Betcha there 4.4 doesnt have DoD either! 
Score 1 for GM.

The XC90 is the best-selling Euro' SUV in North America and Volvo has the best selling line of SUVs (MB and BMW SUV sales were way down last I looked). It's the competition that should be scared.

The 9-7x has enough bad karma around it to cause cancer :frankie:

Anyone who thinks a GM pushrod v8 is superior to a Yamaha DOHC v8 knows nothing...

oh, so because its OHC, its so far advaced!! oooooo

how the 9-7x has bad Karma is beyond me.

Anyone who thinks the OHC is superior to OHV has another thing coming. What makes it superior?
Size?
More expensive to produce, maintain, and fix?
that its made by Yamaha?
That it will probably run on high octane?
yeah...superior alright. :rolleyes:
Sorry, but I have to agree with stewacide, the XC90 is a better SUV than the 9-7X... [/b][/quote]
hey RC, have you driven a 9-7 yet?? I didnt think so....
 

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We continue to complain about the large gas prices, but yet we continue to buy Tahoes, and V-8 engines.

you might be complaining, but look at this, it says it all....

“The average American favors a V-8, and in that [price] segment, people aren’t as sensitive to high gas prices, so that won’t dissuade them,” says Anthony Pratt, global powertrain specialist at consultant J.D. Power and Associates.
we're still selling plenty of H2s....

now here's the dumb one....

hey RC, have you driven a 9-7 yet?? I didnt think so....

plenty of us have driven other GMT-360s, and, uh, they're not that great. a SAAB front end and a little suspension tuning isn't enough to make it a worthy competitor against stout competition. the X5, the XC90, Cayenne/Touareg... all very good, very modern SUVs. the SAABlazer is an old school SUV, not up to the task of today's luxury SUV market. get over it. stop worshipping GM just because they're GM. jeez.....
 

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Originally posted by SUPERBADD75@Jun 19 2004, 11:27 PM

plenty of us have driven other GMT-360s, and, uh, they're not that great. a SAAB front end and a little suspension tuning isn't enough to make it a worthy competitor against stout competition. the X5, the XC90, Cayenne/Touareg... all very good, very modern SUVs. the SAABlazer is an old school SUV, not up to the task of today's luxury SUV market. get over it. stop worshipping GM just because they're GM. jeez.....
First of all, the 9-7X won't be competing with an X5 or a Cayenne or Touareg.
It is better geared to compete with M-Class and Discovery.

Sportier tuning, bigger wheels/tires, and a more powerful V8, better leather, a better dash, shoudl give the 9-7X enough value over the other 360s.
 

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Originally posted by mgescuro+Jun 20 2004, 05:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mgescuro @ Jun 20 2004, 05:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SUPERBADD75@Jun 19 2004, 11:27 PM

plenty of us have driven other GMT-360s, and, uh, they're not that great. a SAAB front end and a little suspension tuning isn't enough to make it a worthy competitor against stout competition. the X5, the XC90, Cayenne/Touareg... all very good, very modern SUVs. the SAABlazer is an old school SUV, not up to the task of today's luxury SUV market. get over it. stop worshipping GM just because they're GM. jeez.....
First of all, the 9-7X won't be competing with an X5 or a Cayenne or Touareg.
It is better geared to compete with M-Class and Discovery.

Sportier tuning, bigger wheels/tires, and a more powerful V8, better leather, a better dash, shoudl give the 9-7X enough value over the other 360s. [/b][/quote]
The M-class will soon be dead, to be replaced by a unibody crossover. The new Discovery, while still technically BoF, is infinitely more refined than the last (getting the Jag' v8, etc.) and is an actual off-roader anyways.

Spec-wise he only thing the 9-7x will be competeing with is the Aviator, which is a far deeper makeover than this "Saab" (with an entirely different interior and suspension components than the Explorer, which is already newer and more refined than this GM platform). And the Aviator hasn't been competeing that well anyways.
 

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First of all, the 9-7X won't be competing with an X5 or a Cayenne or Touareg.
It is better geared to compete with M-Class and Discovery.

Sportier tuning, bigger wheels/tires, and a more powerful V8, better leather, a better dash, shoudl give the 9-7X enough value over the other 360s.

like it or not, it WILL compete with these vehicles. it's an SUV, and that's the price point at which it will be. it's being thrown out against other premium brand SUVs. the current Disco is way cheaper than the 9-7 will be, and the new one (dubbed LR3) should stay right around where it is now. and to add to what stew said....
Spec-wise he only thing the 9-7x will be competeing with is the Aviator, which is a far deeper makeover than this "Saab" (with an entirely different interior and suspension components than the Explorer, which is already newer and more refined than this GM platform).
the Aviator is bigger, and being based on the Explorer, it has IRS. so do the other competitors. the 9-7.... live rear axle. not very refined at all. the Aviator also has third row seating. it will sell, but not to very many unbiased customers. GM will find that rebadging doesn't always work. they're going to destroy SAAB. a Subaru and a Trailblazer with SAAB emblems, what are they doing? i guess we could get a 9-1 based on the Aveo next....
 

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I didn't realize the TrailBlazer still had a live rear axel! This "Saab" is completely hopeless.

...then again hordes of people are dumb enough to buy the re-trimmed, barely facelifted, solid-rear axel Escalade (when the FAR supieror Navigator is available for the same money). However I'm not sure those people are really into Saab ;)

And I'm pretty sure the TrailBlazer and Explorer are the same size. They can fit the third row because it's packaged better (e.g. IRS vs. live axel).

I really wish GM would just cut their losses and sell Saab before it's worthless :mrt:
 

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lol, you are pretty funny Stew. You could get away with bashing the 9-7x, but when you starting saying silly things like the Navagator being FAR superior to the Escalade you really loose some credibility. First of all, in what respects is it superior? Powertrain? lol I hope you dont think so. I remember reading an article, I think it was motortrend that said that the Escalade despite having live axle handles better than the Navagator with the IRS. So it isnt handling. Quality? I think GM has quality over ford all day long. The only thing I can think of that the navagator has an advantage in is the look of the interior. That will be fixed soon enough. Oh, and the Navigator costs more too.

As for the 97x, I really think you should wait till you drive one or there is at least an article about it before you start passing judgements.

Anyway, GM has the Caddy SRX to compete with the volvo. and the SRX comes with a quality V8 right out of the box. Not to mention it looks 1000x better.
 

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I think we need to clear the air here a little bit...

The 9-7X is a rebadge, but that doesn't mean it's a bad SUV, nor very good one at that fact. The premium leather is probably the same "premium" leather as in the Rainier, and that's not at all a bad thing. The lowered stance and better suspension tuning should make the 9-7X be able to compete with its competition pretty well. Do I think it will be able to compete in this segment? Yes. Do I think it will win comparisons? Probably not. Do I think it's better than the other 360s? Yes. Do I think people will notice it looks like the other 360s? 75% sure. Do I think it will sell? Yes. Sell as much as its competition? Well, probably not. Is it a bad SUV and should have never came out? Definitely not.

Not to mention it looks 1000x better.
While that is definitely a biased view (this is a GM forum after all), looks are subjective and each person has their own views. But I do agree with you though! The SRX looks better than the XC90!

Guess they were getting scared about the Saab 9-7x!?!?!
The V8 XC90 has been known for awhile before the 9-7X engine choices were announced. Most people thought the 9-7X would not have the V8 but instead the regular I6 and a turbocharged version.
 
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