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Workers: GM Moraine plant to close Dec. 23 (GMT 360)
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I just want to add, Jim Marlow was running a ticket against the current Union leadership ( I thought he retired?!?!?!). Tracy Merritt took the last buyout and took a job in D.C. So I can believe the news, But at the same time the Union and or GM hasn't made the announcment.
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I called someone there at the plant, The news was posted on DDN and announced on the radio before the Workers were told...Figures. But the announcment is true.
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I called someone there at the plant, The news was posted on DDN and announced on the radio before the Workers were told...Figures. But the announcment is true.
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What does that have anything to do with the plant closing down?
Oh the MPG that the GMT 360's get. Personally I don't mind the MPG I get out of mine. I knew what I was buying, I knew how much driving I was going to do. 18 MPG suits me well ( I drive mainly on Highway)
When I got the wife the Trailblazer 2wd, She was working in the inner city school system. Yes in the worst part of the city. She felt safe in the Trailblazer to drive on I-75 and on the side streets where the thugs Loitered in the middle of the streets.
I got myself the Envoy 4wd, Well because nothing really excited me at the time. I looked at the benefits of driving the Envoy on I-75 and in the winter (GM Made us come in even if it was a lvl 3 Snow Emergency where only emegency workers were allowed on the roads lol) I also got front row parking. lolz
The biggest problem with this platform is gas prices, But really doesn't help is that it is the same thing as the '02 model. There is only over 1million of these GMT360's out there.
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What are you talking about?
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Sad news.
Inevitable, but very sad nonetheless.
Inevitable, but very sad nonetheless.
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I should've gotten a 4WD Envoy. My mom got stuck on US 42 during that snowstorm in her 2WD Envoy. Couldn't get any traction at all.
But this sucks. There goes the last GM assembly plant in southwestern Ohio...
No, GM thinks by killing a 5 passenger RWD SUV that a 7-8 passenger FWD Crossover will pick up those sales.
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GM to close Trailblazer/Envoy plant Dec 23rd
GM to close Trailblazer/Envoy plant Dec 23rd
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General Motors will close its Moraine Assembly plant near Dayton, Ohio on December 23rd — earlier than the planned 2010 closure. The plant builds the Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Isuzu Ascender, and Saab 9-7X. Less than 80 days away, the closing will mark the demise of all four models.
With Isuzu pulling out of the U.S. market in January, the death of the Ascender is no surprise. As for Saab’s 9-7X, it is widely expected to be replaced by the superior 2010 9-4X.
As for the TrailBlazer and Envoy, both vehicles have become extremely dated and have been indirectly replaced by the Chevrolet Traverse, Chevrolet Equinox, GMC Acadia, and GMC Terrain.
A company representative said the 1,100 workers at the Moraine facility were informed Friday of the planned closure. GM’s Oklahoma City plant previously built three of the four models, but it closed over a year ago.
Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-to-close-trailblazer-envoy-plant-dec-23rd.html
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GM to close Trailblazer/Envoy plant Dec 23rd
General Motors will close its Moraine Assembly plant near Dayton, Ohio on December 23rd — earlier than the planned 2010 closure. The plant builds the Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Isuzu Ascender, and Saab 9-7X. Less than 80 days away, the closing will mark the demise of all four models.
With Isuzu pulling out of the U.S. market in January, the death of the Ascender is no surprise. As for Saab’s 9-7X, it is widely expected to be replaced by the superior 2010 9-4X.
As for the TrailBlazer and Envoy, both vehicles have become extremely dated and have been indirectly replaced by the Chevrolet Traverse, Chevrolet Equinox, GMC Acadia, and GMC Terrain.
A company representative said the 1,100 workers at the Moraine facility were informed Friday of the planned closure. GM’s Oklahoma City plant previously built three of the four models, but it closed over a year ago.
Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-to-close-trailblazer-envoy-plant-dec-23rd.html
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why not make it dec 25th so i will be easy to remember--(pun intended)--sorry to u empleyees unless your the uneducated fool making 40+ an hour (unions--not helping here)
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$40+ an hour??? C'mon. Get the facts straight son. Why is it that when people start talking how much per hour, they always inflate the autoworkers rate by adding in benefits, vacation, etc.? They never seem to do that when one is speaking of other jobs.
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The Trailblazer/Envoy has never really been revised. That said, in the world of $3.50+++ gas and crossover popularity.. I just don't think even an ultra modern version will sell.
The sinking markets, economy and lack of credit is more enough to kill this plant sooner than it otherwise would. Sad the way things are going...
The sinking markets, economy and lack of credit is more enough to kill this plant sooner than it otherwise would. Sad the way things are going...
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I am still furious about this.
I used to own a 2002 Trailblazer 4x4. Great truck.
I wish I had the leather seats, but other than that, it was perfect for me. I got around 17 to 18 mpg in mostly city driving. I get about 14-15 now in city driving in the Silverado.
The 4.2L, given it's torque curve, would benefit more from a six speed auto than the 5.3L small block.
Think about this, a new six speed auto and a redesigned interior and exterior. That's all the Trailblazer needs to stay on top. GM couldn't give it that.
The T360s were really good trucks....and it really sucks to see this plant go.
Now that gas prices are high, GM will have to combine any new Chevy SUV on a truck chassis, like the T355 since BOF trucks no longer warrant their own "ground up" chassis. Maybe that will mean a more off road capable SUV for Chevy in the future...which was a big complaint I had with my T360. So there is a bright side.
If Toyota can sell the 4Runner worldwide, then there is no reason General Motors, the best truckmaker in the world, couldn't do the same with a mid sized SUV. Since America is more of a Tahoe/Suburban marketplace, perhaps the new mid sized SUVs should be designed for Asian markets and carried here like the Astra, GTO, or G8. Who knows. I'd like something similar to the ZR2 blazer- those things still look cool today and it's been 4 or 5 years since they made one.
I used to own a 2002 Trailblazer 4x4. Great truck.
I wish I had the leather seats, but other than that, it was perfect for me. I got around 17 to 18 mpg in mostly city driving. I get about 14-15 now in city driving in the Silverado.
The 4.2L, given it's torque curve, would benefit more from a six speed auto than the 5.3L small block.
Think about this, a new six speed auto and a redesigned interior and exterior. That's all the Trailblazer needs to stay on top. GM couldn't give it that.
The T360s were really good trucks....and it really sucks to see this plant go.
Now that gas prices are high, GM will have to combine any new Chevy SUV on a truck chassis, like the T355 since BOF trucks no longer warrant their own "ground up" chassis. Maybe that will mean a more off road capable SUV for Chevy in the future...which was a big complaint I had with my T360. So there is a bright side.
If Toyota can sell the 4Runner worldwide, then there is no reason General Motors, the best truckmaker in the world, couldn't do the same with a mid sized SUV. Since America is more of a Tahoe/Suburban marketplace, perhaps the new mid sized SUVs should be designed for Asian markets and carried here like the Astra, GTO, or G8. Who knows. I'd like something similar to the ZR2 blazer- those things still look cool today and it's been 4 or 5 years since they made one.
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Dude...shut up.
First off, nobody at GM working assembly jobs makes $40+ an hour. The most I've ever heard anyone make was $27/hour, and that was my dad. That was from an old contract from the 80s. The last I heard, $14/hour was the current wage.
The union at Moraine is a hell of a lot better than the UAW. They're IUE-CWA. They've made a TON of sacrifices to keep their jobs, but they're still getting shut down.
And have you ever worked at a GM assembly plant? Have you ever done what these guys go through? It's not a walk in the park. When my dad worked assembly at Norwood, he would come home and find that he couldn't bend his arms because they were so stiff from lifting catalytic converters into F-bodies. I think a job that hard at least deserves a decent paycheck.
People are losing their jobs here. People with families to feed. If you're going to be that insensitive about it, then don't post at all.
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I still think this is a dumb move on GM part. They simply let this SUV die on the vine. It was a great platform and a reasonable size. With a few tweaks, a 6 speed auto and some engine refinements to get more MPG they could have kept selling them. Granted not at the same volume but now that gas prices are coming down again some would have found them to be an attractive alternative to a Tahoe. The fixed costs for the tooling and plant should have been recouped years ago. Load em up with features, price em right and discount to keep volume. $25K for a pimped out Envoy versus $35K for an Acadia - no brainer.
And this was the most cooperative union GM had.
Good luck to all those at Moraine.
4Runners will soon rule 'cause they will be the only ones left!
And this was the most cooperative union GM had.
Good luck to all those at Moraine.
4Runners will soon rule 'cause they will be the only ones left!
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As much as i like the looks of The Lambda's, they dont have a 4wd system, and the AWD is tame to say the least something like 70% front 30% rear and my little S-Blazers 4wd system is a dynamite setup, imagine how good the larger T-Blazer's is, wasnt 4wd a selling point? now its just more passengers the better. They made the S-Blazer for 15 years, i just dont understand their thinking.
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Amen.
I think this is a kneejerk reaction on GM's part.....based on the economy/gas prices & their overestimation of the Lambda's (continued) success.
Why they couldn't just continue with incremental updates while scaling back volume is beyond me......
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