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Don't get me wrong, I love GM, it's all I own(67 Chevelle SS convertible, 2006 Silverado 1500 4x4, 2009 Cadillac CTS-V, 2011 Traverse).

Previous vehicles starting in order of my age: 1972 Grand Prix, 76 Nova, 76 Omega, 77 Accord, 80 Schirocco, (67 Chevelle SS Conv.), 70 Monte Carlo, 72 Monte Carlo, 67 Malibu, 70 Chevelle, 71 GMC Sprint, 81 Phoenix, 83 Century, 84 Prelude, 80 El Camino, 89 Prelude Si, 99 Camaro SS, 2002 Camaro SS, 04 Honda CR/V, 2000 Silverado 1500 4x4, Audi RS4, (2011 Traverse, 09 CTS-V, 06 Silverado 1500 4x4).

1.When the Cobalt SS came out you started to see some of the kids who liked Civics and DSM's acquiring them. This I would think would lead some of them as they grew up to continue into another GM. Why hasn't there been any replacement for that car. Why isn't there a Sonic and Cruze hi performance option.

2. Why don't the full size trucks have a true posi like in my Chevelle SS, 2002 Camaro SS. I hate the G80 in my Silverado. That clunk when the other side kicks in makes me think it's going to shatter.

3. How come no strong AWD system? If Audi and Subaru can make a good system why can't GM. I realize there are trade offs like weight and added cost, but it would be nice if it was an option.

4. Why no Raptor fighter?

5. I know the Chevy interior quality has come up but can't it be on par with say Volkswagen and Honda? I always here the complaint of "yards and yards of cheap plastic". I loved the interior in my Audi RS4.

6. Bland Chevy styling on their cars. ie. Malibu, SS, and Traverse.

7. Why did they go so conservative on the redesign of the full size twins. They need to lead, not be surpassed in a month of their reveal by Ford and Chrysler.

I just want the best for GM and it to be the best in the industry. I know there are great new cars, but I hate the same old criticisms(government motors, recalls, etc.)

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Don't get me wrong, I love GM, it's all I own(67 Chevelle SS convertible, 2006 Silverado 1500 4x4, 2009 Cadillac CTS-V, 2011 Traverse).

Previous vehicles starting in order of my age: 1972 Grand Prix, 76 Nova, 76 Omega, 77 Accord, 80 Schirocco, (67 Chevelle SS Conv.), 70 Monte Carlo, 72 Monte Carlo, 67 Malibu, 70 Chevelle, 71 GMC Sprint, 81 Phoenix, 83 Century, 84 Prelude, 80 El Camino, 89 Prelude Si, 99 Camaro SS, 2002 Camaro SS, 04 Honda CR/V, 2000 Silverado 1500 4x4, Audi RS4, (2011 Traverse, 09 CTS-V, 06 Silverado 1500 4x4).

1.When the Cobalt SS came out you started to see some of the kids who liked Civics and DSM's acquiring them. This I would think would lead some of them as they grew up to continue into another GM. Why hasn't there been any replacement for that car. Why isn't there a Sonic and Cruze hi performance option.

2. Why don't the full size trucks have a true posi like in my Chevelle SS, 2002 Camaro SS. I hate the G80 in my Silverado. That clunk when the other side kicks in makes me think it's going to shatter.

3. How come no strong AWD system? If Audi and Subaru can make a good system why can't GM. I realize there are trade offs like weight and added cost, but it would be nice if it was an option.

4. Why no Raptor fighter?

5. I know the Chevy interior quality has come up but can't it be on par with say Volkswagen and Honda? I always here the complaint of "yards and yards of cheap plastic". I loved the interior in my Audi RS4.

6. Bland Chevy styling on their cars. ie. Malibu, SS, and Traverse.

7. Why did they go so conservative on the redesign of the full size twins. They need to lead, not be surpassed in a month of their reveal by Ford and Chrysler.

I just want the best for GM and it to be the best in the industry. I know there are great new cars, but I hate the same old criticisms(government motors, recalls, etc.)

Flame suit on.
I think you make some very good points.
1) I blame this on Bankruptcy and the ineptness of Captain Dan who wanted GM to be Toyota and not have a soul
2) no clue, never noticed it in the new trucks.
3) Agreed, the new And system that just debuted in the Envision is supposed to be better, let's see how that shakes out once it comes to the US.
4) Bankruptcy and I think we'll see something in the Colorado ZR2 and in the refresh for the Full sized twins. Lord knows they need to fix the throttle tip in.
5) I'm not sure that they aren't.
6 & 7) Agreed, GM has been too cautious
 

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GMs entry level cars need to step it up big time. I think thats GMs weakest link right now.
 

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I think you make some very good points.
1) I blame this on Bankruptcy and the ineptness of Captain Dan who wanted GM to be Toyota and not have a soul
2) no clue, never noticed it in the new trucks.
3) Agreed, the new And system that just debuted in the Envision is supposed to be better, let's see how that shakes out once it comes to the US.
4) Bankruptcy and I think we'll see something in the Colorado ZR2 and in the refresh for the Full sized twins. Lord knows they need to fix the throttle tip in.
5) I'm not sure that they aren't.
6 & 7) Agreed, GM has been too cautious
LOL, Captain Dan. He was more like Lieutenant Dan.
 

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You raise some good points, but I think a lot of them will be addressed in the near future or with the next generation of GM vehicles.
 

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We need more thought-provoking threads like this to challenge our preconceptions and encourage all of our emotional and intellectual growth.

Truly, stimulating.

Don't get me wrong, I love GM, it's all I own(67 Chevelle SS convertible, 2006 Silverado 1500 4x4, 2009 Cadillac CTS-V, 2011 Traverse).

Previous vehicles starting in order of my age: 1972 Grand Prix, 76 Nova, 76 Omega, 77 Accord, 80 Schirocco, (67 Chevelle SS Conv.), 70 Monte Carlo, 72 Monte Carlo, 67 Malibu, 70 Chevelle, 71 GMC Sprint, 81 Phoenix, 83 Century, 84 Prelude, 80 El Camino, 89 Prelude Si, 99 Camaro SS, 2002 Camaro SS, 04 Honda CR/V, 2000 Silverado 1500 4x4, Audi RS4, (2011 Traverse, 09 CTS-V, 06 Silverado 1500 4x4).

1.When the Cobalt SS came out you started to see some of the kids who liked Civics and DSM's acquiring them. This I would think would lead some of them as they grew up to continue into another GM. Why hasn't there been any replacement for that car. Why isn't there a Sonic and Cruze hi performance option.

2. Why don't the full size trucks have a true posi like in my Chevelle SS, 2002 Camaro SS. I hate the G80 in my Silverado. That clunk when the other side kicks in makes me think it's going to shatter.

3. How come no strong AWD system? If Audi and Subaru can make a good system why can't GM. I realize there are trade offs like weight and added cost, but it would be nice if it was an option.

4. Why no Raptor fighter?

5. I know the Chevy interior quality has come up but can't it be on par with say Volkswagen and Honda? I always here the complaint of "yards and yards of cheap plastic". I loved the interior in my Audi RS4.

6. Bland Chevy styling on their cars. ie. Malibu, SS, and Traverse.

7. Why did they go so conservative on the redesign of the full size twins. They need to lead, not be surpassed in a month of their reveal by Ford and Chrysler.

I just want the best for GM and it to be the best in the industry. I know there are great new cars, but I hate the same old criticisms(government motors, recalls, etc.)

Flame suit on.
1) Good point, and one I agree with. Performance should not be relegated to RWD.
2) No idea.
3) No idea, but I would want one, too. Just a high performance, high torque AWD system. Definitely a must-have for GM.
4) Too risk averse. I don't consider the ZR2 a Raptor fighter. Say whatever about bent frames, size, whatever. Whatever the Raptor does, GM could build a better Silverado AND a ZR2. I see no reason why they can't, particularly if they wanted to shift Chevrolet into a more "active lifestyle" kind of brand.
5) Haven't been in a Chevy in a while, so I can't comment... but I like my sister's new TDI and my Accord is pretty good for what it is.
6) Too risk averse. No balls.
7) Too risk averse. No balls.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I love GM, it's all I own(67 Chevelle SS convertible, 2006 Silverado 1500 4x4, 2009 Cadillac CTS-V, 2011 Traverse).

Previous vehicles starting in order of my age: 1972 Grand Prix, 76 Nova, 76 Omega, 77 Accord, 80 Schirocco, (67 Chevelle SS Conv.), 70 Monte Carlo, 72 Monte Carlo, 67 Malibu, 70 Chevelle, 71 GMC Sprint, 81 Phoenix, 83 Century, 84 Prelude, 80 El Camino, 89 Prelude Si, 99 Camaro SS, 2002 Camaro SS, 04 Honda CR/V, 2000 Silverado 1500 4x4, Audi RS4, (2011 Traverse, 09 CTS-V, 06 Silverado 1500 4x4).

1.When the Cobalt SS came out you started to see some of the kids who liked Civics and DSM's acquiring them. This I would think would lead some of them as they grew up to continue into another GM. Why hasn't there been any replacement for that car. Why isn't there a Sonic and Cruze hi performance option.

2. Why don't the full size trucks have a true posi like in my Chevelle SS, 2002 Camaro SS. I hate the G80 in my Silverado. That clunk when the other side kicks in makes me think it's going to shatter.

3. How come no strong AWD system? If Audi and Subaru can make a good system why can't GM. I realize there are trade offs like weight and added cost, but it would be nice if it was an option.

4. Why no Raptor fighter?

5. I know the Chevy interior quality has come up but can't it be on par with say Volkswagen and Honda? I always here the complaint of "yards and yards of cheap plastic". I loved the interior in my Audi RS4.

6. Bland Chevy styling on their cars. ie. Malibu, SS, and Traverse.

7. Why did they go so conservative on the redesign of the full size twins. They need to lead, not be surpassed in a month of their reveal by Ford and Chrysler.

I just want the best for GM and it to be the best in the industry. I know there are great new cars, but I hate the same old criticisms(government motors, recalls, etc.)

Flame suit on.
We need more thought-provoking threads like this to challenge our preconceptions and encourage all of our emotional and intellectual growth.

Truly, stimulating.



1) Good point, and one I agree with. Performance should not be relegated to RWD.
2) No idea.
3) No idea, but I would want one, too. Just a high performance, high torque AWD system. Definitely a must-have for GM.
4) Too risk averse. I don't consider the ZR2 a Raptor fighter. Say whatever about bent frames, size, whatever. Whatever the Raptor does, GM could build a better Silverado AND a ZR2. I see no reason why they can't, particularly if they wanted to shift Chevrolet into a more "active lifestyle" kind of brand.
5) Haven't been in a Chevy in a while, so I can't comment... but I like my sister's new TDI and my Accord is pretty good for what it is.
6) Too risk averse. No balls.
7) Too risk averse. No balls.
I'm right there with both of you on these statements. Just like I've said about wagons, hatches in the small cars, SUV/CUV, and El Camino types. The competition is running circles around GM because they've lost their balls and are too conservative any more. I said this in another post that they could do an SSR but yet these other no brainers never get done. I think the newer models are better than their predecessors but still there is room for improvement both style wise and in the material(hard surfaces)quality. I also am one of the dyed in the wool GM types and I just want what's better and best for GM and us customers.:) Another point: The asinine instrumentation in the new Trax. I cant stand it but like the over all package.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I love GM, it's all I own(67 Chevelle SS convertible, 2006 Silverado 1500 4x4, 2009 Cadillac CTS-V, 2011 Traverse).

Previous vehicles starting in order of my age: 1972 Grand Prix, 76 Nova, 76 Omega, 77 Accord, 80 Schirocco, (67 Chevelle SS Conv.), 70 Monte Carlo, 72 Monte Carlo, 67 Malibu, 70 Chevelle, 71 GMC Sprint, 81 Phoenix, 83 Century, 84 Prelude, 80 El Camino, 89 Prelude Si, 99 Camaro SS, 2002 Camaro SS, 04 Honda CR/V, 2000 Silverado 1500 4x4, Audi RS4, (2011 Traverse, 09 CTS-V, 06 Silverado 1500 4x4).

1.When the Cobalt SS came out you started to see some of the kids who liked Civics and DSM's acquiring them. This I would think would lead some of them as they grew up to continue into another GM. Why hasn't there been any replacement for that car. Why isn't there a Sonic and Cruze hi performance option.

2. Why don't the full size trucks have a true posi like in my Chevelle SS, 2002 Camaro SS. I hate the G80 in my Silverado. That clunk when the other side kicks in makes me think it's going to shatter.

3. How come no strong AWD system? If Audi and Subaru can make a good system why can't GM. I realize there are trade offs like weight and added cost, but it would be nice if it was an option.

4. Why no Raptor fighter?

5. I know the Chevy interior quality has come up but can't it be on par with say Volkswagen and Honda? I always here the complaint of "yards and yards of cheap plastic". I loved the interior in my Audi RS4.

6. Bland Chevy styling on their cars. ie. Malibu, SS, and Traverse.

7. Why did they go so conservative on the redesign of the full size twins. They need to lead, not be surpassed in a month of their reveal by Ford and Chrysler.

I just want the best for GM and it to be the best in the industry. I know there are great new cars, but I hate the same old criticisms(government motors, recalls, etc.)

Flame suit on.
Good, thoughtful post. Now follow up with one saying what you think GM does right and why you own GM cars.
 

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1. There's the Sonic RS but I agree that the Cobalt SS should have had a replacement. Ford has the Fiesta and Focus ST and Dodge has the Dart R/T which isn't quite up there but it's certainly better than a Cruze as far as performance.

2. Yeah limited slip diffs are nice.

3. Does the Regal GS AWD have the sweet Haldex system that's like Saab's XWD?

4. Raptor definitely serves as a great halo for the F150 line and GM should have something to truly go against it.

5. They're getting there, slowly. Better than GM's early-mid 2000's interiors. Those Trailblazers and Malibu's were baaaaad.

6. Traverse to me is alright. GM probably didn't want to spend much on the SS since it's on its way out. Malibu...yea I don't know. The '08-'12 one was awesome and they took a step backwards with the '14.

7. If I recall, Bob Lutz once said something like if you don't pee-off at least a few people when you come out with a new style, you weren't radical enough. I believe he was with Chrysler and said this about the '95 Ram when it came out, which was quite controversial, but buyers came to love it.
 

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They have a marketing/propaganda team. What they need is a few adults on said marketing/propaganda team.
and a set of [email protected] to make "get noticed" ads

I get the feeling GM is still TO bureaucratic in decision making and bureaucracies tend to make safe/popular choices so we get a GOOD Cruze while Ford offered the focus in multi flavours to scrape out the niches (I thought I read the Cruze was offered in stick because of the BAD performance the GM AUTO offered and the stick was the ONLY way to get to that "golden" FE number they wanted)
 

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And where are the GMC Hummers? I.e. GMC off road competition to Jeep and Power Wagon.
 

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Now where did I hear that before? Oh, I know! Every year since 1975.
Absolutely...the next great GM model that's going to change everything and take back market share is going to be the next model
 

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and a set of [email protected] to make "get noticed" ads

I get the feeling GM is still TO bureaucratic in decision making and bureaucracies tend to make safe/popular choices so we get a GOOD Cruze while Ford offered the focus in multi flavours to scrape out the niches (I thought I read the Cruze was offered in stick because of the BAD performance the GM AUTO offered and the stick was the ONLY way to get to that "golden" FE number they wanted)
What they need is new advertising agenices and new people assessing what those agencies are doing. I posted a Jeep Australia advert in the Chrysler section. It is part of a brilliantly simple advertising campaign - it is "I bought a Jeep". It is catchy and the series of ads make sense. Do a youtube search and check some out. The Santa one is particularly well done. GM needs to change its whole process by what I have seen.
 

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Good, thoughtful post. Now follow up with one saying what you think GM does right and why you own GM cars.
GM's always looked more badass in my formative days, ie. the muscle cars of the 60s and early 70s. The bodies were so sensual which reminded me of another car I owned, a 68 Cutlass S. I pulled the 350 out and dropped in a 455. Awesome car. They had great lines and curves like the old Rivieras, Toronados, mid 60's Caddies. They were great. Compared to the Ford and Chysler products of the day which looked oafish or poorly proportioned. Interiors were much better back then than those two companies also.

I always liked working on GM cars, my Chevelle, 02 Camaro SS, Silverado, and especially my CTS-V. They're so easy to work on.

The not so new LSx motors are phenomenal. So simple to make power, and cheaply to boot. I haven't acquired any cars with new LT1 based motor, but I'm sure they will fun to work on just like a good old small/big block, LS1 or LSA.

Hell even my screen name is GM orientated: SS1LE02

SS well thats obvious
1LE= option code
02= model year of my Camaro(shouldn't of sold it)

I would like to get my 12 year old son into some fun car when he turns 16. A cool Sonic that we could hop up would be fun instead of a VW GTI which seem to be popular with the young kids now instead of Civics. He's already asking me how I know how to do stuff on cars and make them faster.



That is just some of the reasons
 

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Personally, I think that Chevy interior quality has at the very least matched Honda and VW.
 
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