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The components are there, could the Envoy Return?
November 26, 2011
By: Nick Saporito


Welcome to my first-ever GMI blog post! Many times I have thoughts or even tid-bits of information that I'd like to share, but it isn't enough to justify a full article. I'm thinking our new blogs will give me an outlet to relay such. For my first blog post, I'm going to talk about the GMC Envoy.

Recently GM revealed the all-new Chevrolet Trailblazer for global markets. The new Trailblazer is certainly not a crossover; it is based upon an all-new body on frame chassis that will also underpin our next Chevrolet Colorado truck. This new platform is called "31xx" internally. As of today the Trailblazer will not be coming to North America (at least not the U.S. and Canada), but that could change. Though with the 31xx platform having a confirmed production outlet in the U.S. (Wentzville, MO), one can speculate.

Right now the GMC brand is in a fairly quiet state of being. The brand launched the Terrain and the revised HD trucks, but nothing else in the way of new product has happened in recent years. In other words, GMC is ripe for some attention and unique product.

If I were at GM, I would seriously consider the idea of developing a 31xx-based Envoy for GMC. By now it is clear that Chevrolet is focusing on cars (specifically small cars) and nurturing their "green" image. In other words: adding a BOF SUV to the Chevrolet brand does not seem to make a lot of sense at this point. On the flip side, GMC is a truck brand and could use a "Professional Grade" midsize SUV.

So instead of selling the Trailblazer here, develop an Envoy and let GMC sell it exclusively. Considering that there is going to be a GMC small truck on the same platform, it should not be terribly difficult to swap out the Trailblazer front end for the GMC.

Another factor to consider is that a new Envoy would likely command higher transaction prices than the Trailblazer could. The only problem would be cannibalization of sales by GMC's crossover lineup. By the time this Envoy could launch GMC will have a smaller Terrain and smaller Acadia. The Envoy would have to theoretically straddle between the Terrain and Acadia.

What do you guys think? Should a new Envoy happen? Just an FYI, I didn't come up with the idea of a new Envoy on my own. ;)
 

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First blog, first comment... woo hoo! :D

So since we're spitballing, a new Envoy would then be slotted in size between the Terrain and Acadia?

And the Terrain and Acadia are both going to see size reductions in the next generation?
 

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ne_one;bt2 said:
First blog, first comment... woo hoo! :D

So since we're spitballing, a new Envoy would then be slotted in size between the Terrain and Acadia?

And the Terrain and Acadia are both going to see size reductions in the next generation?

Yes and yes. Acadia is downsizing to TE and the Terrain is downsizing to Delta.
 

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This is definitely a thought I've had in my mind, as I've heard rumors of the Acadia being phased out. I don't see how you classify it "in-between" the Acadia and Terrain, because it looks to have 3 rows of seating as well, and would be much heavier because of BOF. It should be just a smaller full-size, like the old Explorers were to the Expedition. It seems to have the right chassis, but it needs to shed the crossover-esque sporty looks. A stouter front end should be in order, which has a legit bumper and grill separation.
 

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Yes and yes. Acadia is downsizing to TE and the Terrain is downsizing to Delta.
Any idea of the difference in dimensions between TE and the 31xx platform?

The issue for me would be whether the Acadia and Envoy would be too closely paired in size, despite the differences in intended use.
 

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If it were up to me there would be no Trailblazer in North America--only an Envoy. I would also push GMC in Europe.
 

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I could 100% get behind this idea.... as an owner of multiple Envoys over the years, I'd love to be able to replace my current one with a new one a few years down the road, as long as it debuted with Denali trim available and either a 3.0TT or 3.6L under the hood.
 

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They should at least build the Envoy though preferably both.
 

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In my opinion, kill the Acadia and let the Envoy slide into it's spot. That gets rid of the Acadia/Enclave overlap, and the Trailblazer is supposed to have three rows anyway.

It's a shame too, because I love the Acadia the best out of the three lambdas, but it makes the most sense to me. Leave the FWD crossovers to Buick and Chevy.
 

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I would do many illegal things to obtain one...

Does anyone know if the new TrailBlazer is larger or smaller than the last one?
 

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The success of a mid-size SUV, say a "90% Tahoe," is a certainty. People looking to downsize but still have the capability are the likely buyers, along with previous TB and Envoy buyers. Many people want a more rugged-than cuv SUV, and would likely buy as well. A "Just Right" size describes the previous standard TB and Envoy, and a similar sized new one would be a major conquest vehicle, especially if it had significantly lower operating costs. 25-30 mpg is essential for the base engine, which could be a 4 or smaller V6, but it also should have a V8 for better towing ability.
It makes sense for there to be a Chevy and GMC version, perhaps even a Cadillac version. If GM is looking for opinions, I say it is a homerun in the making, and it needs to be here yesterday!
 

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I think it would be a great addition to GMC. I actually shared the same sentiments in some of my posts a while back.

If GMC wants to be "Professional Grade," why don't they act like it? The Envoy could be positioned perfectly against the Jeep Grand Cherokee.

GMC still seems to be finding their way. I don't think GM is confident or clear about the direction they should go with GMC considering the environmental issues, buyer interest, and costs associated with producing a mid-size BOF SUV for one US brand only.

It only makes if GM plans to use that platform across multiple brands. In addition, I doubt it would happen as long as the Acadia exists. The Envoy and Acadia would pretty much be the same vehicle, except one would be RWD.

GM needs to dump the Acadia or actually make it the Acadia if this is to work.
 

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Looking to replace my '02 Envoy SLT with 170k miles. Arcadia is too big and from reviews I've read, does not live up to the EPA fuel ratings. As a matter of fact, I've yet to read that anyone gets 23-24 mpg highway. Yes, yes, yes I need a "new" ENVOY!
 

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Not a bad idea, it could be a little bigger than a Terrain and have an available diesel and V6 and the Terrain could become a vehicle with the new 2.5L four and e-assist only. This would give GMC both a boost in fuel economy and a more robust smaller SUV.
 

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I just had made this as a point in the thread about the 2012 year for GM. I like the idea of an Envoy better then a Trailblazer due to the fact that Chevrlet is being flooded with models and GMC on the other hand is not. By adding an "Envoy" back to the GMC lineup, you will shed a spotlight on them and show that GMC is a "truck-brand" as opposed to looking like a crossover brand with the Terrain and Acadia being their high ticket items right now. I love our Terrain but at the same time it doesn't raise the GMC name alot.

I say put a GMC Terrain inspired front end on it, redesign tail treatment along with some amentaties that you'd expect from a priceier GMC compared to a Chevy. But you don't have to up price it from a Chevy due to there not being one.

DenaliHD66;bt5 said:
This is definitely a thought I've had in my mind, as I've heard rumors of the Acadia being phased out. I don't see how you classify it "in-between" the Acadia and Terrain, because it looks to have 3 rows of seating as well, and would be much heavier because of BOF. It should be just a smaller full-size, like the old Explorers were to the Expedition. It seems to have the right chassis, but it needs to shed the crossover-esque sporty looks. A stouter front end should be in order, which has a legit bumper and grill separation.
I think his idea that it would be more Explorer sized which would fit better in between the 2. Right now Acadia is larger in practiclly every dimension as copared to an Explorer/Grand Cherokee/Durango.
 

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Not a bad idea, it could be a little bigger than a Terrain and have an available diesel and V6 and the Terrain could become a vehicle with the new 2.5L four and e-assist only. This would give GMC both a boost in fuel economy and a more robust smaller SUV.
The combo of a true BOF & a Diesel...now we are talking a "real GMC" image maker that could be sold worldwide.
 

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I am new to this site, and a bit confused by all the posts touting "downsizing" the Acadia. Seems to me that this current platform with its Chevy and Buick (and even the Saturn) iterations have sold very well for the General. The selling point for me is the extra room behind the 3rd row, as well as the foot well in said row - something I don't have in my '05 SRX. I for one am anticipating the potential Cadillac version of the Lambda platform, one with equal space and towing capacity - not another version of the Escalade which is, IMO, too large.
 
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