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Personally I dislike the 2 extremes of family sedan w/trunk or big SUV / big honkin' Crossover.

Now, with gas prices on the rise, people at work are discussing getting Priuses (which in a comparo I did a couple of years ago has less interior room than a Ford Focus wagon, even without the wagon aspect) or Camry 4-cylinders.

Or they're buying used Toyota Echos and garaging their monster SUVs, hoping for a time when they can trade them in for a better price.

Throughout my family life as a kid - one of three - my family somehow got by (without feeling we were deprived) in a 4-cylinder stick shift Mercury station wagon. A Zephyr.



It had a huge cargo area by today's wagon standards (big overhang), and got great mileage for its time. Even with 3 kids in the rear seat we never felt cramped, and we'd sometimes roll around in the cargo area for fun (Ralph Nader would have had a cow). When the car got older, my father took it as a cheap commuter to ride to the park & ride. I think we had it for 10 years. A flesh-colored Zephyr (with no wood trim)... a stripped-down extremely utilitarian, inexpensive vehicle for the family.

Now it seems Americans limit themselves to gargantuan vehicles with cargo hatches, or family sedans with a trunk. Of course automakers are happy to oblige this split - this dichotomy of the American car - so you can have both sides of your driveway populated by one of each type. A Japanese sedan and an American truck/suv.

A funny thing happened after I bought my Suzuki Forenza Wagon. We stopped using the GMC Safari for weekend outings. And we realized that we only rarely ever really NEEDED the Safari. Of course it still comes in handy for extended family get-togethers, but most of what we ever did on the weekends at Lowe's or Home depot? The Forenza Wagon can handle it just fine.

Wake me up when more companies start making cars that make financial sense all around, like the 4-cylinder powered, optional 3-row, KIA Rondo, Mazda5, and more wagons with real cargo space (not like the Vibe). Oh, and when they apply more than a token ad budget.

Otherwise I call "conspiracy" ;) on the way that 4-cylinder powered cars are offered as tiny hatchbacks or sedans for one side of your driveway, with a big honkin' truck-based SUV on the other. Or a not-so-fuel-efficient, fat, jacked up station wagon on stilts called a "crossover".

And I don't buy the "because those wagon things are ugly" argument. What is macho or what is ugly --- the Mazda5 is a handsome vehicle if you don't look at it with biased eyes.



If people were really concerned with having do-it-all replacements for their SUVs --- and not making an equally extreme move to a small hybrid sedan --- they'd push automakers to build more sensible vehicles like the KIA Rondo (not the brand, the style of vehicle). That is, if they even knew about the existence of such cars in the US market.

Instead, what I hear from a lot of co-workers is an excuse to follow the next trend that, like the Sneeches, will have them trading into some pricey hybrid or trendy family sedan while passing over the vehicles that would make the most sense for their lifestyles.



3 years from now, when their hybrid sedans are deemed "too small" they'll be following the herd to the next socially acceptable car type. (Changing their belly stars)

I've always preferred vehicles like my father's old Zephyr, or innovative ones based on the same concept, like the Rondo that make sense and are versatile regardless of the cost of fuel at the time. The thought that goes through my head is "What can I buy that will get me the most useable space and utility while using the least gasoline, and offers a low sticker price?"



 

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Those Zephyrs were rear-drivers... would you believe that they used the same chassis as the Mustang up till 2003! :|

The Rondo, Mazda5, Mercedes B200 are quite interesting concepts for family transport.

I don't really see what is wrong with a regular sedan though. We had a 2-door 5-seater coupe when I was a kid and my father had the same when he was a kid.

I don't see why a modern North American family hauler needs to be anything bigger or different from say a Honda Civic. Very large interior, decent trunk, etc. Even the 2-door model seems perfectly sufficient especially when you have younger kids. I'd agree though that a hatchback body is a big advantage.



 

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Noted on the Zephyr - I wondered since it was rather old for a FWD-er. :)

A hatch and a real cargo space are a must for me. I don't want to have to tie some giant box to the roof of a Civic. Such a small sedan would have been fine when we lived in an apartment, though.
 

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I would've loved a Taurus wagon, but they aren't as easy to find. I don't really need a car as big as the one I have though.

We had a couple of wagons when I was growing up. A Ford LTD wagon, a Cutlass Ciera wagon, and our Safari (which became my Safari). That said, we also had a number of sedans that served us just fine (and a two-door Mercury Lynx hatchback, that never seemed to work).

I do agree with you. People seem to go from one extreme to another. Doesn't really make sense. I am starting to see more and more Mazda 5's around, which is good. Not many Rondo's though.
 

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I am starting to see more and more Mazda 5's around, which is good. Not many Rondo's though.
The reason why the Mazda5's sale suffered in the first 2 years was because Mazda sucked at advertising it.

On the other hand, Kia actually put some money into advertising the Rondo. I remember one time I saw the same Kia Rondo TV ad during EVERY commercial break on the SciFi Channel.

I've said it before... the major reason why people buy the Rondo is because they don't know the Mazda5 exists.
 

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To be honest genjy I've had a good look at the Rondo and it's an excellent product. Normally we think of Kia as a bit junk. The Rio, the old Magentis, the Sedona and the Spectras etc they had some air of "not perfect". The Rondo however it could easily be wearing a Toyota badge. The Sorento I like a lot too.

That said I'd prefer Mazda5 for percieved driving dynamics.

But actually I would steer clear of all of them and take something a bit more carlike... VW Rabbit type or even a Cobalt.



 

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If GM is going to bring back wagons they should resurrect the Buick Roadmaster. Maybe not as sensible as a 4 cylinder wagon, but it was very roomy and with todays engines can probably get impressive fuel economy. I would never buy a Mazda 5, I wouldn't want to be stuffed into that third row. :mad:
 

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To be honest genjy I've had a good look at the Rondo and it's an excellent product. Normally we think of Kia as a bit junk. The Rio, the old Magentis, the Sedona and the Spectras etc they had some air of "not perfect". The Rondo however it could easily be wearing a Toyota badge. The Sorento I like a lot too.
The old Rio was junk, but the current Rio and Rio5 is actually a very good little car.
 

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But actually I would steer clear of all of them and take something a bit more carlike... VW Rabbit type or even a Cobalt.
Since you could pay around the same price for a much less versatile Cobalt, and have no cargo room to show for it (compared to a Rondo), the whole point of the pricier Cobalt sedans escapes me. At least a Cobalt 2-door seems sporty for a young guy. The sedan looks frumpy and has the underwhelming "I'll need a bigger car someday" utility of most compact sedans. Unless you're single living in an apartment and could care less, the Rondo makes much more sense.

For that matter, the HHR is a wise choice and more versatile off the same platform, if you can get over the retro PT Cruiser-like styling of the exterior and the smallish windows/lack of visibility.

 

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Ford's dropping the Focus wagon grieved me, as that was the small car I found most appealing.
Strange thing is that when I actually went looking for one, prior to the Forenza Wagon, the Ford dealer said "We can never keep them in stock, but we only order a couple every few months".

This is what made me think there is a conspiracy to push people into bigger, pricier crossovers and SUVs. A wagon is as versatile as a cute ute, while driving dynamics and fuel economy are like a sedan. We can't have that! :p:

You could really load those Focus wagons up, too...I can guarantee that it put many Cute Utes to shame in cargo capacity.

 

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Strange thing is that when I actually went looking for one, prior to the Forenza Wagon, the Ford dealer said "We can never keep them in stock, but we only order a couple every few months".

This is what made me think there is a conspiracy to push people into bigger, pricier crossovers and SUVs. A wagon is as versatile as a cute ute, while driving dynamics and fuel economy are like a sedan. We can't have that! :p:

You could really load those Focus wagons up, too...I can guarantee that it put many Cute Utes to shame in cargo capacity.

They seem to hold their value better than other Focii too.
 

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I wonder how a good Malibu wagon would sell if marketed properly. Imagine a hybrid 4-cylinder Malibu wagon! That'd be pretty awesome.
 

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I would never buy a Mazda 5, I wouldn't want to be stuffed into that third row. :mad:
Think of the 3rd row as "emergency seats." They are there when you need to haul 5 passengers. A small wagon can only haul 4 passengers. Having two guys sitting in the penalty box seats is much better than leaving one guy behind.

The Mazda5 2nd row also has the added benefit of sliding and reclining seats.
 

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Good points, Ming.

The Rondo must be one of the must unknow/underrated station wagons in existence today. It's about 4" longer than my Spectra, yet it has huge interior space and runs pretty well on its 2.4 four cylinder (which it shares with Chrysler and Mitsu, their "world engine").

I think I've seen three Rondos on the road locally, since I became aware of them in mid-March 2008. They are priced right, quality and layout is very good, deals are there to be made, and their functionality is off the scale.
 
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