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A few months ago, General Motors Corp. flooded the prime-time airwaves with commercials introducing the G8, a big, powerful sedan that is supposed to re-energize GM's Pontiac brand.

But the ad blitz hasn't had much impact. In August, GM's 2,712 U.S. Pontiac dealers sold only 1,915 G8s -- not even one per dealer.

GM has problems on many fronts, including high gasoline prices, falling truck sales and billions in losses. The G8 illustrates one problem that's often overlooked: The auto maker's lineup contains many vehicles that deliver barely any bang for the buck.

Consider the Saab 9-5 sedan. GM promotes its Swedish brand's smaller 9-3 sedan, but the midsize 9-5 gets little exposure and as a result draws little interest from shoppers -- or even dealers. At Saab of Troy, in suburban Detroit, a few 9-5s are in stock but none are in the showroom, where customers typically spend their time browsing. In August, GM sold just 198 9-5s nationwide.

Mark LaNeve, GM's top marketing executive in North America, said the additional costs of offering slower-selling models are "really very incremental" because most share parts with higher-volume models. The G8, for instance, is a version of a car that has been a strong seller for GM's arm in Australia. Yet auto analysts say slow sellers are a bigger drag on profit that GM acknowledges.

Ron Harbour, a partner at the automotive consulting firm Oliver Wyman, said each model, even if only a variation of another vehicle, requires some engineering effort. Producing models in small numbers lowers manufacturing efficiency. Every vehicle needs its own documentation, manuals and brochures. Dealers have to be trained to service each model and have to spend money to keep them in stock. And each vehicle needs a certain amount of advertising and promotion. "For every model, you've got some investment costs, and if you don't sell enough of them, you might not be able to cover the capital costs," Mr. Harbour said.

GM recently said it hopes to cut $10 billion in costs over the next 18 months. Frederick "Fritz" Henderson, GM's president and chief operating officer, has ruled out closing or selling any of GM's eight brands besides Hummer, which GM has put up for sale. But he hasn't ruled out getting rid of some of its slow-selling models.

Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC have made simplifying their model lineups a central part of their turnaround plans. Ford has sold its Jaguar, Land Rover and Aston Martin lines. People familiar with the matter have said Ford also intends to sell its Volvo division, although the company denies Volvo is for sale. Volvo offers eight models, all slow sellers. Chrysler dropped four slow sellers last year and has said it plans to eliminate a third or more of its remaining models. Mr. Harbour noted that foreign auto makers also have a few low-volume models. In August, Honda Motor Co. sold just 2,606 Element cross-overs in the U.S., and Nissan Motor Co. sold only 2,178 Armada sport-utility vehicles.

GM has trimmed some models, too. It folded its entire Oldsmobile division several years ago. And in the last few years, it has reduced the number of nameplates offered by its Buick, Pontiac and GMC brands, which are usually housed together at dealers, to 16 from 30. Nevertheless, 20 or more of the 60 models GM offers in the U.S. often generate sales of less than 2,000 vehicles a month. Another half dozen or so fail to break the 3,000-vehicle mark in some months. Some are luxury cars, like the Cadillac STS full-size sedan, or specialty models like full-size vans, which generate profit even at low volumes. But many are mainstream cars such as the Saturn Astra hatchback and Pontiac Solstice roadster that don't command premium pricing.

GM's trouble with slow-selling models is closely related to another problem: weak brands. Pontiac, Buick, Saturn and Saab are such small players in the U.S. market that whole swaths of car shoppers don't even consider them. Each of those four brands was outsold in the U.S. market in August by Kia Motors Corp., the Korean maker that specializes in low-priced cars.

John Casesa, a veteran auto consultant and partner at Casesa Shapiro Group in New York, said GM may have trouble eliminating some of its low-volume models because some dealers carrying Saabs and Pontiacs need every model to stay in business. "Even if you have a model that's not making money [for GM], it might live on to allow showrooms to stay open," he said.
 

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Ron Harbour, a partner at the automotive consulting firm Oliver Wyman, said each model, even if only a variation of another vehicle, requires some engineering effort. Every vehicle needs its own documentation, manuals and brochures.
Those are all sunk costs, Ron. Once the product is there, everything you make on it is incremental profit.

John Casesa, a veteran auto consultant and partner at Casesa Shapiro Group in New York, said GM may have trouble eliminating some of its low-volume models because some dealers carrying Saabs and Pontiacs need every model to stay in business. "
Then let it be the dealers' trouble.
 

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As to the G8, besides the fuel economy and gas prices, I think the Pontiac brand may be too damaged to revive to anything resembling its glory days. And that's coming from a former Pontiac fan.

With moves that included touting the Torrent, G5 and SV6 as Pontiac's 'commitment to total performace', GM has effectively run Pontiac into the ground as a brand.

The Solstice, a fantastic little car, never got the kind of reception from the public I had expected, the GTO stalled, and now, the G8.

The rest of the Pontiac lineup continues to be a mish mash of so-so Chevy reskins and a Toyota in Pontiac clothing.

I don't see what Pontiac could do to regain its mojo except a complete and total wipe the slate clean and start over type of approach. A "rebirth".

Until then, great cars like the G8 and Solstice will be dragged down along with weak clones like the G5, Torrent, SV6 -- or holdover remnants like the Grand Prix, relegated to Fleet duty and cars like what should be the "bread and butter" G6 sedan that had flaws at launch (too bland exterior and poor interior) that were never fixed as the years went by.

A Pontiac Rebirth is the only way to do it right, but after introducing hot cars like the Solstice and G8, and the lackluster reception, I think the GM white hairs are likely just shrugging their shoulders and thinking about keeping on Pontiac purely as a sort of Chevy-GMC clone brand for cars. In other words, a return to the 1980s with no more niche cars like the Solstice or risky imports like the G8. Sad.

A Scion-like Pontiac might also have been considered, but that once trendy brand of Toyotas has stumbled as well, so nix that idea.

Saab's dealership presence is a joke. My father wanted to buy one, but due to the lack of a decent dealer presence in northwest Houston, he ended up with a MINI Clubman instead. In fact, he drove around Houston with my advice, looking for Saab dealers, but the inventory for 9-3 Convertibles was pitiful, used or nonexistent. A typical Saab dealer in Houston is a used car dealership with a Saab sign, it seems. And they're more interested in getting you into a used car than a new one.

I did suggest a 9-5 Sportcombi, but as the article suggests, good luck finding one to test/try out.

Houston is the 4th most populous city in the nation, and it has no decent Saab dealers -- unless maybe you trek towards far south of Houston and hit a HUMMER-Cadillac-Saab dealer, and my father was not willing to go that far.

Saab should send an offer for free tickets to the Houston Auto show to past Saab buyers -- it's the only way they'd be able to see the entire lineup!
 

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This is why Pontiac needs only 3 to 4 cars at most. A G5 (call it Lemans) (1 series competitor), A new Firebird/Trans AM (camaro based), Solstice Coupe/convert, and the G8 (call it GTO 2-door, and 4 door Tempest or something). Then add Saturn to the BPG group and offer the lower priced cars to make dealers happy. The BPGS would be a complete sepreate company.
 

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When I bought my 2002 Grand Prix, Pontaic was still a popular car. Today few people even consider the brand and I fear Ming is correct, there is little hope that this damaged brand can be revived. GM needs to make some major decisions as to which brands they intend to save.
 

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The G8 isn't selling because of several factors. For starters, GM doesn't care if they sell since they are not really turning a profit on the car and Pontiac is no longer pursuing the performance brand image. Another factor is that the car has next to no marketing. It's a new model; you cannot keep a new model on the market and expect it to sell without some marketing to tell people about it. G6, G8...there is some marketing potential there to get people to remember the car. GM does not do anything about it.

Another factor is gas. The G8 should have the 3.6 DI and there is no excuse for it not to. Not only would that help gas, but it would give the V6 model power levels worthy of its image and RWD character. As for the V8...awesome car, but as it has been reported; fewer people want V8's today.
 

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This article, and yesterday's opinion piece in the WSJ about how giving the Big 3 low interest loans is a bad idea and its not fair to Toyondassan, boils my blood. I don't know if the authors don't know the stories behind these cars that helps explain why their sales stink (Saab 9-5 is a dinosaur, 9-7X was never the right move, G5 is a poor rebadge job, etc) and if so, thats just bad research and reporting, or if they don't think their audience can process the marketing and brand management intricacies of the auto industry like we can.

I guess the GM-is-out-of-touch slant and G8-bashing is what got to me. I love that car and think it will be in my driveway in the future. I don't want to see it die.
 

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Those are all sunk costs, Ron. Once the product is there, everything you make on it is incremental profit.
There is no profit until you recover development costs. Once a company has made a bad decision deciding whether to continue the product always brings up a discussion of "sunk" costs. Of course there is the school of thought that says " if you find yourself in a hole, quit digging." Obviously not making decisions of this type in the first place is the cure. It would probably be easier not to make these decisions if GM had two or three brands instead of eight.

Then let it be the dealers' trouble.
I agree. And how does having cars on the floor that don't sell help the dealer? Plus, if you have more dealers than you need, how does keeping dealers alive that are probably marginal help anyone?
 

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I'm afraid that rather than fold in Saturn to the BPG line-up GM will truely wipe the slate clean. Neither Saturn or Pontiac is a strong brand. It's time to replace both with Opel and try again.
 

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Personally, I think part of the problem for Pontiac has been it's nameing scheme. Pointiacs used to evoke emotion with their names, but now all they have is "G" cars. I think the only GM cars that the alpha-numeric theme works on is Cadillac.
 

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Personally, I think part of the problem for Pontiac has been it's nameing scheme. Pointiacs used to evoke emotion with their names, but now all they have is "G" cars. I think the only GM cars that the alpha-numeric theme works on is Cadillac.
Maybe I'm just biased (as a G6 owner), but I think the G naming works and would work better with some marketing effort. Yes, the old names were known, but that is just it. The old names people recognized; they had brand recognition. The G names do not yet (G6 is getting close though). I am very glad I drive a "G6" than a "Grand Am."
 

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The G8 isn't selling because of several factors. For starters, GM doesn't care if they sell since they are not really turning a profit on the car and Pontiac is no longer pursuing the performance brand image. Another factor is that the car has next to no marketing. It's a new model; you cannot keep a new model on the market and expect it to sell without some marketing to tell people about it. G6, G8...there is some marketing potential there to get people to remember the car. GM does not do anything about it.

Another factor is gas. The G8 should have the 3.6 DI and there is no excuse for it not to. Not only would that help gas, but it would give the V6 model power levels worthy of its image and RWD character. As for the V8...awesome car, but as it has been reported; fewer people want V8's today.
I don't think the reason is any of this. The strong Australian dollar means that GM makes very little, if anything, on the G8. No sense pushing something that you are losing money on. Fortunately, the Australian dollar has been weakening lately.
 

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I don't think the reason is any of this. The strong Australian dollar means that GM makes very little, if anything, on the G8. No sense pushing something that you are losing money on. Fortunately, the Australian dollar has been weakening lately.
And the dollar has been on the rise. So maybe things will change soon....like with the arrival of the G8 ST. Honestly, their last attempt at marketing the G8 sedan is when they launch the G8 ST.
 

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They can only sell about one G8 per month per dealer anyway.
Any more than that and they would exceed Holden's capacity to make them, so why push something you can't build?

The 9-5 is another story entirely.
 

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Personally, I think part of the problem for Pontiac has been it's nameing scheme. Pointiacs used to evoke emotion with their names, but now all they have is "G" cars. I think the only GM cars that the alpha-numeric theme works on is Cadillac.
I hate those stupid G-names too. How about Firebird, Trans AM, Firepisser, and torch instead?

As for the G8 and Solstice, they are niche cars, never meant to be volume. However, if they aren't profitable (as they Solstice reportedly isn't), then buh-bye.
 

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The Pontiac brand may be too damaged to revive to anything resembling its glory days. And that's coming from a former Pontiac fan. GM has effectively run Pontiac into the ground as a brand. I don't see what Pontiac could do to regain its mojo except a complete and total wipe the slate clean and start over type of approach. A "rebirth".

I use to be a big Pontiac fan but I'd be stunned if GM even tried a "rebirth".
My guess is Saturn will move into BPG. Pontiac will be reduced or eliminated and its products will go to Buick and GMC. Saturn might score the Vibe but that's it.

Also, as you mentioned Saab dealers are horrible... and there aren't any.

How can a company with 2,700+ dealerships have no dealerships for Saturn and Saab??? I'm sure GM thinks they have a good reason....but its pathetic.
 

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Maybe GM should sell the Buick brand to the Chinese, upgrade the Enclave to a Caddilac or even a Saab 9-7X/Saturn Outlook replacement and roll Saturn in bed with GMC/Pontiac/Saturn.

G-P-S has a nice ring to it!

GMC professional grade, Pontiac Eco-citement and Saturn's exceptional customer service...all under one roof!

Sell Hummer and give Saab one last chance (maybe).
 
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