U.S. Jeep?

^I meant that to be sarcastic. I can't imagine what the Brit's must think. They may not care, who knows? I, for one, don't like seeing an american icon owned by someone else. Call me kooky. It is funny to me that someone touts how many they employ here when in my experience it is fewer than Chrysler had and looks to be cut drasticaly over the course of the next 10 years. What a crock. The product line will continue to have more foreign content and yet some will choose to see it as the same entity or even improved( lasma: ). The crossfire, whatever the new van is, they are just the start, the neon will be mitsubishi, which Dodge already had the Stratus/Sebring on a shared platform and that's no big deal if some of it remains here, I guess. It would have been anyway. The Ram will switch from Cummins if it hasn't already. I wonder when Jeep will be replaced with Mercedes pieces? Yes, yes, I can hear it already "blah, blah, blah mercedes has good blah blah, it will be good for Jeep and dodge to get blah blah". I guess they own the Viper too. It just hit me. Nice.

"A merger of equals", they said. Right.... and to think I am not even a Mopar man.

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First, we didn't save the world from the Germans, we defeated the Nazis.

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Who at the time were Nazis. They didn't come to power by lottery and had we not defeated them, Germany would most likely still be Nazi. As would All of Europe and most of the world. Pretty naive not to know better than that. [/b][/quote]
Not all Germans were Nazis. Check YOUR history books.

That's like saying All Americans are Republicans just becasue GWB is in the white house now.

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And you say that you don't want to see an American Icon (I'm assuming you mean Chrysler) being owned by someone else.

Would you prefer to see it gone altogether? Remember Oldsmobile, Plymouth, Studebaker, Hudson, Tucker, Delorean, DeSoto and countless others? All gone (pretty much). I'd rather see the cars on the road instead of relegated to the history books.

I don't work for a car company. The profits made don't go in my pocket. I don't care where they're made.

You go read YOUR history book, I already have, thanks. I know not all Germans were Nazis but at the time they might as well have been. The fact still remains

Germany would most likely still be Nazi. As would All of Europe and most of the world. Pretty naive not to know better than that.

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I know there were Germans who wanted to kill Hitler, I have studied WWII, the fact remains the time is viewed as NAZI GERMANY.

what is the saying about "the man that stands by and does NOTHING"?

If you wish to turn this into an arguement about how the Germans were good and only the Nazis were bad, more like EVIL, go ahead. Just as many GERMANS were killed in WWII as Nazis and probably more. Just as many Germans may have had a part in the camps. Just as many Germans may have slaughtered innocents in Russia and Poland. If you want to argue semantics over the general idea and miss the point, go ahead.

Would I rather see Chrysler sucked up by Ford or GM?! HELL YES!

This was inteded to speak of the Jeep wrangler having a part in foreign wars or campains and being owned by a foreign entity, who HAPPENED, AT A TIME, to be an enemy that the Jeep helped us defeat. Don't even try to say this should not bother anyone, that is for them to decide.

And if you don't care where your money goes to.............. lasma: have fun when the economy REALLY tanks. See you in the bread lines.

And if the whole world had become Nazi, then what would you be complaining about? All the big 3 would be German, and you've be in the same place you are today.

But it's not Nazi germany anymore. Times have changed. It isn't under Nazi power, and I think there are very few Nazi supports left in the world (when you look at the grand scheme of things).

So, arguing that Chrysler is owned by a bunch of Nazis is not at all accurate.

And I didn't ask if you would prefer that Chrylser gets bought out by an American company, I asked if you would prefer that they were gone altogether.

The folding of any of the big 3 will not create bread lines. If GM was to go bankrupt, it would quickly get bought up by another manufacturer. Sure, some people would lose their jobs, but the entire auto industry would not come to a complete stand still.

Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it, but those that harp on history are living in the past.

So, arguing that Chrysler is owned by a bunch of Nazis is not at all accurate.

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It would be not EVEN be accurate, just like you claiming I suggested they are. They WERE. No matter how much you don't want to accept that bad things were done and not nec. by bad people. It happened and still does. Some, like you, are acting like this is a long forgotten nightmare and some realize it is happening today. I guess harping must mean mentioning anything you don't want to think about, right.

Who's harping? I stated an opinion. I DON'T LIKE SEEING A JEEP SOLD BY DCX WITH A U.S. ARMY PAINT SCHEME.

And I didn't ask if you would prefer that Chrylser gets bought out by an American company, I asked if you would prefer that they were gone altogether.

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Moot point, Jeep would not have went down with Chrysler anyway. They are marketable and the most profitable part of Chrysler. GM or Ford would probably have taken them and they would still exist. (of course who knows? just my opinion, which i have a right to, thanks)

Funny how I mentioned the fact that how I hate to see an American Icon be owned by a foreign company and you have a problem with that. No pride in your country? I do and don't like to see mine getting bought or sold out. It happens, that doesn't mean you have to like it. I enjoy having things to have pride in.


I didn't say it would kill the whole auto industry, once again you are using a farse to make an invalid point. The US and Can. may very well see bread lines if this were to occur, though that was an exaggeration. But of course they could get bought out and that's okay with you but not with me.... comrade. Or even better, I suppose it would be better if the gov. took control and we just switched to socialism, right? lasma: That would make you happy wouldn't it.


And no I wouldn't prefer that the E-blops from Uranus come down and take over earth. Since you seem to want to make this a farse, I thought I would try to cover the bases.

How about the fact that Hitler wasn't a German, He was Austrian. National Socalism (Nazism) wasn't popular until the great depression. That is how the germans climbed out of the depression. An Austrian madman took advantage of the Germans because they were suffering from the great depression. He misled them. I don't blame the German people for that.

As to the fact that we would be sending money overseas if we buy a Jeep. Yes a little would, but how many americans would get some of that. The workers at the dealership, plant workers where it was built, Advertisers, the people who acctual make the commercial...should I keep going. That is for the most part average americans, not the coporate folks in germany. It would be the same amount going to the average american as it would be if Jeep was still american owned. If Jeep was built somewhere else that would be a different story. I agree with Rex, it is better Jeep is still around than gone all together.

Oh yeah, We also can't forget that we fought the Japanese in WWII. No more Toyotas, or Korea, or....


Does the Jeep my kids drive around the yard count? <_<