[sykboy]

First off, let me reitterate that I live in a town that is going through a transition from being a Chrysler town (THE major employer) to being something else. I am biased, while I realize Chrysler still employs many around the country, I view it as being foreign. That is my choice.

I was driving to work today and passed the local Chr/Dodge/Jeep dealer and, as I have for a week or two now, checked out the Jeep Wrangler dressed up like a WWII Army Jeep. Today it the irony finally dawned on me. A f'king German company owns Jeep and has the BALLS to use a WWII style paint scheme to sell more vehicles. The more I think about it, this makes me F'n LIVID.



PISSED,
SYK

 

[mackingu]

the dealers are the ones who sell the cars to the public, not DCX. maybe you should be more upset with the dealer, irrespective of their heritage, than with DCX.

 

[sykboy]

They may have ordered it like that but they didn't make it an option. Regardless of who's idea it is. It is BS.

 

[Ming]

I dunno. It's built in the US, theres still a huge workforce of "Chrysler" employees in the US, and the current Wrangler design pre-dates the merger. (and just about every other car on the US market?)

I could see your point if like the Crossfire, it was made in Germany or somewhere roundabouts, designed by German engineers, and sporting a Daimler WW2 engine.

 

[sykboy]

I guess it is just the fact that it is owned by the GERMANS, the ones the Jeep helped us save the world from, the ones that seem to oppose any international policy the U.S. takes anymore reguardless of the policy. The country that in the last major election picked the candidate that bashed the U.S. the most?(I don't pretend to know all the facts, this is just my current perception based on what info I have heard/seen) No one sees this as a bit of irony?

 

[Ming]

Originally posted by sykboy@Nov 13 2003, 01:59 PM
I guess it is just the fact that it is owned by the GERMANS, the ones the Jeep helped us save the world from, the ones that seem to oppose any international policy the U.S. takes anymore reguardless of the policy.

When the veins in your head start poppin' think like I do:

The Germans are paying to keep Chrysler afloat.

You should almost feel sorry for them. Better that they pay for Chrysler than we do through our taxes in some massive bailout.

Besides, if the Germans ever get out of line, we'll have 3 or 4 versions of the HUMMER on sale by GM, the vehicle on the front lines NOW in Iraq and around the world.

 

[Dumb_Ass_2003]

I guess since the Canadians fought off and prevented a US invasion way back when that means your F-Body is a disgrace too? :blink:

Last time I checked the Germans haven't been our enemies for a LONG time so I don't see the problem here.

 

[Rex Raider]

I'm Jewish, and I had family killed in the German concentration camps. However, that was a long time ago. I can't continue to blame the Germans for it. Most of those responsible have died. The children and grandchildren of those Germans do not necessarily have the same world views as they did. The world has changed. Times have changed.

The Jeep design, philosophy and history are all American, regardless of who owns the company now. Having a war themed vehicle is not necesarily a bad thing, especially since this week was memorial day/remembrance day in the US and Canada.

Is Rolls-Royce no longer british because it's owned by BMW? The cars are still designed in England, and built mostly in England. Company/brand history. Not company/brand politics.

 

[sykboy]

Maybe if we are lucky they will buy out GM and Ford too. I can understand why no one has a problem with it. We should all sell out.

 

[Ming]

Originally posted by sykboy@Nov 14 2003, 10:05 AM
Maybe if we are lucky they will buy out GM and Ford too.  I can understand why no one has a problem with it.  We should all sell out.

No, that wouldn't be cool.

But hasn't Chrysler been in and out of bankruptcy twice or so already? It had to happen. And there is PLENTY of talk about Mercedes just pulling out and leaving Chrysler to its own devices.

Mitsubishi used to be a huge factor in Japan, and they've been melded into the DCX machine slowly but surely, too.

Jaguar, Land Rover, Mini -- imagine how the British feel.

 

[sykboy]

^I meant that to be sarcastic. I can't imagine what the Brit's must think. They may not care, who knows? I, for one, don't like seeing an american icon owned by someone else. Call me kooky. It is funny to me that someone touts how many they employ here when in my experience it is fewer than Chrysler had and looks to be cut drasticaly over the course of the next 10 years. What a crock. The product line will continue to have more foreign content and yet some will choose to see it as the same entity or even improved( lasma: ). The crossfire, whatever the new van is, they are just the start, the neon will be mitsubishi, which Dodge already had the Stratus/Sebring on a shared platform and that's no big deal if some of it remains here, I guess. It would have been anyway. The Ram will switch from Cummins if it hasn't already. I wonder when Jeep will be replaced with Mercedes pieces? Yes, yes, I can hear it already "blah, blah, blah mercedes has good blah blah, it will be good for Jeep and dodge to get blah blah". I guess they own the Viper too. It just hit me. Nice.

"A merger of equals", they said. Right.... and to think I am not even a Mopar man.

 

[posaune]

MY .02...

First, we didn't save the world from the Germans, we defeated the Nazis.

Second, Why make such a big deal about the Jeep being owned by a foreign company. It is still made here in the US, unlike the GTO (Australia) and Camaro (Canada). The GTO is a copy of a foreign design, built on foreign soil by foreign labor. That seems less American than the Jeep which is built in the US by US workers, evan though it is owned by a German company. I havn't seen any post complaining about this.

My .02...


Posaune

 

[casket_demon]

Second, Why make such a big deal about the Jeep being owned by a foreign company. It is still made here in the US, unlike the GTO (Australia) and Camaro (Canada)

Give DC acouple years and the "Jeep" will B a G-Wagen (Crossfire ring a bell) in disguse or better yet replaced like the Dodge Ram Van,which is now the hideous Sprinter Van. As 4 it being built in America...yeah it is,but where is all our money going ???.....(*hint*...the land of chocolate and bratwurst). That right there in itself could B a problem.

 

[gerardo_zg]

Originally posted by casket_demon@Nov 15 2003, 02:52 AM

Second, Why make such a big deal about the Jeep being owned by a foreign company. It is still made here in the US, unlike the GTO (Australia) and Camaro (Canada)

Give DC acouple years and the "Jeep" will B a G-Wagen (Crossfire ring a bell) in disguse or better yet replaced like the Dodge Ram Van,which is now the hideous Sprinter Van. As 4 it being built in America...yeah it is,but where is all our money going ???.....(*hint*...the land of chocolate and bratwurst). That right there in itself could B a problem.

I own a Ram Wagon V8, and I really hate what the did to the Ram Van, I really liked that big thing :grenade:

 

[sykboy]

Originally posted by posaune
First, we didn't save the world from the Germans, we defeated the Nazis.

Who at the time were Nazis. They didn't come to power by lottery and had we not defeated them, Germany would most likely still be Nazi. As would All of Europe and most of the world. Pretty naive not to know better than that.

 

[Rex Raider]

Originally posted by sykboy+Nov 15 2003, 01:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sykboy @ Nov 15 2003, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-posaune
First, we didn't save the world from the Germans, we defeated the Nazis.

Who at the time were Nazis. They didn't come to power by lottery and had we not defeated them, Germany would most likely still be Nazi. As would All of Europe and most of the world. Pretty naive not to know better than that. [/b][/quote]
Not all Germans were Nazis. Check YOUR history books.

That's like saying All Americans are Republicans just becasue GWB is in the white house now.

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And you say that you don't want to see an American Icon (I'm assuming you mean Chrysler) being owned by someone else.

Would you prefer to see it gone altogether? Remember Oldsmobile, Plymouth, Studebaker, Hudson, Tucker, Delorean, DeSoto and countless others? All gone (pretty much). I'd rather see the cars on the road instead of relegated to the history books.

I don't work for a car company. The profits made don't go in my pocket. I don't care where they're made.

 

[sykboy]

You go read YOUR history book, I already have, thanks. I know not all Germans were Nazis but at the time they might as well have been. The fact still remains

Germany would most likely still be Nazi. As would All of Europe and most of the world. Pretty naive not to know better than that.

I know there were Germans who wanted to kill Hitler, I have studied WWII, the fact remains the time is viewed as NAZI GERMANY.

what is the saying about "the man that stands by and does NOTHING"?

If you wish to turn this into an arguement about how the Germans were good and only the Nazis were bad, more like EVIL, go ahead. Just as many GERMANS were killed in WWII as Nazis and probably more. Just as many Germans may have had a part in the camps. Just as many Germans may have slaughtered innocents in Russia and Poland. If you want to argue semantics over the general idea and miss the point, go ahead.

Would I rather see Chrysler sucked up by Ford or GM?! HELL YES!

This was inteded to speak of the Jeep wrangler having a part in foreign wars or campains and being owned by a foreign entity, who HAPPENED, AT A TIME, to be an enemy that the Jeep helped us defeat. Don't even try to say this should not bother anyone, that is for them to decide.

And if you don't care where your money goes to.............. lasma: have fun when the economy REALLY tanks. See you in the bread lines.

 

[Rex Raider]

And if the whole world had become Nazi, then what would you be complaining about? All the big 3 would be German, and you've be in the same place you are today.

But it's not Nazi germany anymore. Times have changed. It isn't under Nazi power, and I think there are very few Nazi supports left in the world (when you look at the grand scheme of things).

So, arguing that Chrysler is owned by a bunch of Nazis is not at all accurate.

And I didn't ask if you would prefer that Chrylser gets bought out by an American company, I asked if you would prefer that they were gone altogether.

The folding of any of the big 3 will not create bread lines. If GM was to go bankrupt, it would quickly get bought up by another manufacturer. Sure, some people would lose their jobs, but the entire auto industry would not come to a complete stand still.

Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it, but those that harp on history are living in the past.

 

[sykboy]

So, arguing that Chrysler is owned by a bunch of Nazis is not at all accurate.

It would be not EVEN be accurate, just like you claiming I suggested they are. They WERE. No matter how much you don't want to accept that bad things were done and not nec. by bad people. It happened and still does. Some, like you, are acting like this is a long forgotten nightmare and some realize it is happening today. I guess harping must mean mentioning anything you don't want to think about, right.

Who's harping? I stated an opinion. I DON'T LIKE SEEING A JEEP SOLD BY DCX WITH A U.S. ARMY PAINT SCHEME.

And I didn't ask if you would prefer that Chrylser gets bought out by an American company, I asked if you would prefer that they were gone altogether.

Moot point, Jeep would not have went down with Chrysler anyway. They are marketable and the most profitable part of Chrysler. GM or Ford would probably have taken them and they would still exist. (of course who knows? just my opinion, which i have a right to, thanks)

Funny how I mentioned the fact that how I hate to see an American Icon be owned by a foreign company and you have a problem with that. No pride in your country? I do and don't like to see mine getting bought or sold out. It happens, that doesn't mean you have to like it. I enjoy having things to have pride in.


I didn't say it would kill the whole auto industry, once again you are using a farse to make an invalid point. The US and Can. may very well see bread lines if this were to occur, though that was an exaggeration. But of course they could get bought out and that's okay with you but not with me.... comrade. Or even better, I suppose it would be better if the gov. took control and we just switched to socialism, right? lasma: That would make you happy wouldn't it.


And no I wouldn't prefer that the E-blops from Uranus come down and take over earth. Since you seem to want to make this a farse, I thought I would try to cover the bases.

 

[posaune]

How about the fact that Hitler wasn't a German, He was Austrian. National Socalism (Nazism) wasn't popular until the great depression. That is how the germans climbed out of the depression. An Austrian madman took advantage of the Germans because they were suffering from the great depression. He misled them. I don't blame the German people for that.

As to the fact that we would be sending money overseas if we buy a Jeep. Yes a little would, but how many americans would get some of that. The workers at the dealership, plant workers where it was built, Advertisers, the people who acctual make the commercial...should I keep going. That is for the most part average americans, not the coporate folks in germany. It would be the same amount going to the average american as it would be if Jeep was still american owned. If Jeep was built somewhere else that would be a different story. I agree with Rex, it is better Jeep is still around than gone all together.

Oh yeah, We also can't forget that we fought the Japanese in WWII. No more Toyotas, or Korea, or....


Does the Jeep my kids drive around the yard count? <_<