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Some pics of 1970s Trans Ams, 1972 455 HO & 1977 W72 400. I have some specs on the blue 1972 7.5 litre car.

weight: 3700 lbs, 300 bhp @ 4000 rpm, 415 lbs/ft @ 3200 rpm

1/4 mile acceleration 14 seconds dead

http://www.78ta.com/international.htm

Not bad for a 32 year old 4 speed manual :)
 

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whats the use gm is not going to bring back the firebirds and trans am i wish they would but i dont see it happening.
 

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GM could learn a thing or two from the old Trans Am. General public opinion isn't exactly on the new GTO's side and it may not last very long. In contrast at the height Trans Ams sold over 50,000 per year, year after year in the Smokey & The Bandit era, reaching a high of 117,108 in 1979, a level the GTO never reached. Heck Pontiac sold over 50,000 T/As in 1980 and that was in a recession year with a 10 year old design and the little 4.9 turbo.

http://www.sd455.com/moviesmokeybandit.htm

GM let the F body get subservient to the Vette. Eventually GM got indifferent to the F body and neglected it, pricing it higher each year as sales fell. Pontiac had their most success when they had their own engines and were aloowed to do their own thing. GM should see the virtue of having an original design, rather than warming up someone else's idea (Opel/Monaro). Just my 2 cents. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Kwik@May 16 2004, 07:49 PM
GM could learn a thing or two from the old Trans Am. General public opinion isn't exactly on the new GTO's side and it may not last very long. In contrast at the height Trans Ams sold over 50,000 per year, year after year in the Smokey & The Bandit era, reaching a high of 117,108 in 1979, a level the GTO never reached. Heck Pontiac sold over 50,000 T/As in 1980 and that was in a recession year with a 10 year old design and the little 4.9 turbo.

http://www.sd455.com/moviesmokeybandit.htm

GM let the F body get subservient to the Vette. Eventually GM got indifferent to the F body and neglected it, pricing it higher each year as sales fell. Pontiac had their most success when they had their own engines and were aloowed to do their own thing. GM should see the virtue of having an original design, rather than warming up someone else's idea (Opel/Monaro). Just my 2 cents. ;)
http://firebird.gttransmissions.com/iboard...dex.php?act=idx

mybirdrocks sent this link,gm could learn a lot from pictures in here
 

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No doubt about that, not much wrong with those 1967-69 cars for sure. Maybe I'm being hard on the new GTO, and I don't want to upset anyone, but then again why on earth can't the largest car maker in the world come up with a reasonable sized and priced V6/V8 rear driver built and designed here? It isn't a massive request, and I don't buy the line that there isn't enough demand for a new 5th gen F body. Put something decent out there and folks will buy. ;)

Come up with a modern equivalent of this 1974 Formula.

http://www.cars-on-line.com/74fireb16040.html
 
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