[hdmax]

Since you want to be fair and all, the toyota isn't out yet either.

Well, be fair, the 6.2 isn't out yet on 1/2 ton pickups, and will be limited to very expensive GMCs for the next 10 months or so. Toyota gets credit for the 5.7 - but don't count GM out. I also just heard news of the 12 cylinder going forward. It would mess up the dynamics of the Vette and result in a costly redesign (it won't fit), hence the Vette will get a S/C engine, but its a perfect fit in the 900s. Don't be surprised if the C7 is designed to fit a V12 with AFM.

The hybrid system is what makes a 12 cylinder make so much sense. It allows near diesel fuel economy from huge engines, and possibly better as the 12 cylinder would spend much of its life in 6 cylinder mode. Up until now a 12 cylinder would just drink too much gas. AFM and the 2 mode are synergistic on fuel economy.

 

[TRDemon]

You forgot to mention the 5.3, and the 6.0 as being in the middle engines. GM has the 4.3 for toyota's 4.0, then they have the 4.8, 5.3, and 6.0 for toyota's 4.7, then the 6.2 for the 5.7. Why is it so hard to understand for all you toy lovers?

Actually, I would consider the Toyota 4.7 to compete with the GM 4.8 and 5.3, and the 5.7 with the 6.0 and 6.2, but thats just me.

 

[chakis24]

how did you guys compare payloads? the chevy site only gives you one figure and doesnt break up whether or not you have the vortecmax, trailering packages and the like. the toyota site does that, it gives you each payload for each engine and cab config. chevy only shows cab configs. im going to assume this is the same for trailering capacities. so how did you guys compare them?

 

[Mr. Burns]

Oh, and Mr Burns, I hope you enjoy your future Tundra. Maybe you could go over to the Tundra lovers site and argue with the Toyota trolls there!

lets see, your username is "likearock00", and your sig reads "Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell!" Clearly it's not my bias that's at fault here.

maybe you truck buyers get so hot and bothered because you're so insecure. All i said about the tundra's interior was that incomparison to the chevy's, it looks more modern. I did not say it will sell because of that or that the chevy interiors are worse. I did not say anything about erogonomics either. It just looks more modern to me. If that was enough to set you off, you have some serious issues.

oh and you wouldnt catch me alive in any gas guzzling truck, let alone the tundra.

 

[Strapping.Young.Lad]

Are you kidding? Who can look at a nav screen and drive at the same time? You don't need to look at a nav screen. Voice commands tell you when and where to turn. The screen shouldn't require any more than a quick glance. That Tundra pic show a much nicer modern design than the stody GM design. Again, it's about the powertrain in a truck not the interior.

I'm not sure, but I think there are rules about facing any monitor toward the driver.

OK, First off, I didn't even say that. All I said is that the Tundras interior was ugly. Don't be blamin crap on me.

 

[Ridge1]

OK, First off, I didn't even say that. All I said is that the Tundras interior was ugly. Don't be blamin crap on me.

That was not a response to you. That was a response to Mr. Blue.

 

[rearden82]

You forgot to mention the 5.3, and the 6.0 as being in the middle engines. GM has the 4.3 for toyota's 4.0, then they have the 4.8, 5.3, and 6.0 for toyota's 4.7, then the 6.2 for the 5.7. Why is it so hard to understand for all you toy lovers?

The 5.7 is available across the board. The 6.2 is limited to the low-volume Sierra Denali, and you probably won't see too many of those hauling gravel around construction sites.

Nice try, though.

 

[Old Dood]

it looks more modern

That it does. Futuristic looking. A lot of people like the "Tech Look".

 

[TahoeMikeZ71]

Are you kidding? Who can look at a nav screen and drive at the same time? You don't need to look at a nav screen. Voice commands tell you when and where to turn. The screen shouldn't require any more than a quick glance. That Tundra pic show a much nicer modern design than the stody GM design. Again, it's about the powertrain in a truck not the interior.

I'm not sure, but I think there are rules about facing any monitor toward the driver.

A truck buyer doesn't know or just doesn't care about a modern interior. They care about how useful the interior is. A truck buyer doesn't care about Nav. They care about what they're truck can do. What the truck can haul or how it can tow and how much torque it has. That's the main worry of a truck buyer. Your not a truck buyer.

 

[footney]

If you disliked the Titan, you will also dislike the Trunda. Toyota benchmarked the Titan more so than GM's and Ford's trucks.

 

[AndrewGS]

how did you guys compare payloads? the chevy site only gives you one figure and doesnt break up whether or not you have the vortecmax, trailering packages and the like. the toyota site does that, it gives you each payload for each engine and cab config. chevy only shows cab configs. im going to assume this is the same for trailering capacities. so how did you guys compare them?

I just used the Chevy figures against the Toyota 5.7L figures.

 

[PhishPhood]

You know Ridge, I always thought your bias was just limited to Honda. Guess not. As I recall, they got it right in your "truck". Practically every review I've seen has commented on this. Only while taking a shower in the Toyota Kool Aid would anyone think its acceptable to put the radio / nav system almost completely on the passenger 's side of any vehicle, let alone one this wide.

To your last point, isn't the Grand Prix center stack on an angle, with its available nav system?

EDIT: just noticed your new status on GMI...not surprised at all.

The radio and audio controls are controlled from the steering wheel. The knobs on the dash are for the passenger. Except to insert discs there's very little you can't do to the audio system from the steering wheel. If the Navi is like the new Gens in other vehicles it's all voice activated, ditto Bluetooth. While in motion the Navi touch controls are deactivated except for the emergency info. Neither the driver nor the passenger can do anything with them while in motion.

Again the controls for the Navi are directed to the passenger.

 

[plane]

If you disliked the Titan, you will also dislike the Trunda. Toyota benchmarked the Titan more so than GM's and Ford's trucks.

Because Toyota would prefer to make only 100k sales per year in this segment?

 

[GMFreak8]

The radio and audio controls are controlled from the steering wheel. The knobs on the dash are for the passenger. Except to insert discs there's very little you can't do to the audio system from the steering wheel. If the Navi is like the new Gens in other vehicles it's all voice activated, ditto Bluetooth. While in motion the Navi touch controls are deactivated except for the emergency info. Neither the driver nor the passenger can do anything with them while in motion.

Again the controls for the Navi are directed to the passenger.

Talk about reaching for straws.....

 

[PhishPhood]

Looks to me as if the GM twins win 8/10, then they have the HD lineup to kill off the rest.

Everything in good time. The Silverado is certainly at the top of the class for it's capabilities and longevity. It is proven and capable. In payload comparisons the Silverado wins more often as you note ( 5 times ) The Tundra wins 2 times and three are dead heats ( within 50 lbs ). The Tundra has every bit the capabilities as the class leader in payload capabilities.

However in some cases, towing for example and certainly safety features, the Tundra has far better capabilities. In towing the Vortec 5.3L has nowhere near the capability of the iForce 5.7L, It's highest tow rating is just above the lowest for the Tundra engine. To be similar the 6.0L Vortec has to be compared. However here Chevy has a problem. GM is directing production away from the 6.0L toward the DuraMax. It is far better for towing. However to get this towing the premium is at least $7000+.

Thus the Silverado 1/2 ton buyer is primarily left with the 5.3L which can carry well but is relatively weak in towing.

None of the GM vehicles, yet, has the full complement of standard safety features that the Tundra has.

 

[goblue]

Talk about reaching for straws.....

Exactly, putting all this stuff on the passenger side so they could do the 2 tone crap is indefensible. I will make a bet that even CR takes issue with this.

 

[PhishPhood]

Talk about reaching for straws.....

Seriously..no need to reach. Everything can be done from the steering wheel or by voice. I'm sure that the GM's will soon have Bluetooth also.

 

[plane]

...None of the GM vehicles, yet, has the full complement of standard safety features that the Tundra has.

Please feel free to elaborate.
Hint - Here are some relevant links.

http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/safety/

http://www.toyota.com/tundra/models.html

We can't wait to see the spin.

 

[PhishPhood]

Please feel free to elaborate.
Hint - Here are some relevant links.

http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/safety/

http://www.toyota.com/tundra/models.html

We can't wait to see the spin.

Here's the key word... standard... on every model, cab size, bed length. Absolutely the Silverado offers similar features - on most models - but they aren't standard. They have to be ordered and they are extra $$.

On the Silverado site there's no mention at all about Brake Assist or Electronic Brake Force Distribution or Auto LSD which is also standard on all models.

 

[SnapOversteer]

Toyota's independent tests (3rd party) will soon be released. They bench the Tundra against 5 competitors' trucks.