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Toyota reports fall in fiscal first-quarter profit



TOKYO (AP) -- Toyota's fiscal first-quarter profit plunged 28 percent from the previous year as slipping North American sales, a strong yen and rising material costs dented the earnings of the Japanese automaker.

Toyota Motor Corp. has so far avoided the kinds of deep losses racked up by U.S. automakers such as General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. But even Toyota, Japan's top automaker, is seeing the momentous pace of its sales growth slow amid a U.S. downturn and soaring gas prices.

Toyota reported Thursday that its April-June profit fell to 353.66 billion yen (US$3.23 billion) from nearly 492 billion the same period the previous year. Quarterly sales edged down 4.7 percent to 6.215 trillion yen (US$56.8 billion).

Toyota, which makes the Prius gas-electric hybrid and Lexus luxury models, has been running neck-and-neck in global vehicle sales with GM, which has been the world's top automaker for 77 years.

Toyota sold 4,817,941 vehicles globally during the first six months of the calendar year, beating GM by 277,532 vehicles.

Still, Toyota is foreseeing tough times ahead.

Last month, Toyota lowered its global vehicle sales plan for this calendar year by 350,000 vehicles to 9.5 million vehicles, blaming the sluggish North American market. The pace of Toyota's growth has been slowing to a 1 percent gain this year in contrast to a 6 percent climb in 2007.

For the latest quarter, Toyota sold 2.19 million vehicles worldwide, up 1.1 percent, or 24,000 vehicles, on year.

Toyota's North American sales fell by 33,000 vehicles, or 4.3 percent, to 729,000. European sales were down by 32,000 vehicles, or 9.6 percent, to 301,000.

Koji Endo, auto analyst at Credit Suisse in Tokyo, said the troubles at Toyota in maintaining profits and vehicle sales were worse than it looked on the surface because of what he characterized as some bookkeeping stunts that were boosting the numbers.

"The numbers on the surface don't look that bad, but when you look at what they are showing, the situation is extremely tough for Toyota," he said.

Toyota's vehicle sales in emerging markets are rising, though, with sales in Asia -- where the remodeled Corolla is popular -- up by 40,000 vehicles, or 18 percent, to 262,000.

Toyota is in a better position than some rivals to ride out the gasoline-price crunch because it doesn't have as many trucks or other gas-guzzlers in its lineup and boasts a reputation for good mileage.

Toyota said it gained in U.S. market share to a record high 17.4 percent for the quarter.

But the strengthening yen, which tends to eat away at the profits of Japanese exporters, cost Toyota 200 billion yen (US$1.8 billion) in the latest quarter, it said.

Toyota said the dollar traded at about 105 yen in the quarter ended June 30, down 13 percent from 121 yen in the same period in 2007.

Detroit-based GM has reported a US$15.5 billion loss for the April-June quarter, while Ford lost US$8.67 billion, its worst quarterly performance in its history.

Toyota's sales in its sluggish home Japanese market also improved, gaining 12,000 vehicles, or 2.4 percent, to 512,000 vehicles for the quarter on strong demand for the new Crown sedan. Exports from Japan to Russia, Australia and the Middle East were also strong, it said.

Toyota kept unchanged its forecast for the fiscal year through March 2009 at 1.25 trillion yen (US$11.43 billion) profit on 25 trillion yen (US$228.52 billion) sales.

That would be a 27 percent on-year dive in profit -- its first full-year profit drop in seven years -- and a 4.9 percent drop in sales.

The shift to smaller vehicles hurts Toyota as well as other automakers because profit margins aren't as hefty as for trucks. Toyota has been shifting North American production to smaller models to meet demand.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080807/japan_earns_toyota.html
 

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a billion bucks a month net with a few hundred million in chump change left over!

not bad at all! coulda been worse
 

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Koji Endo, auto analyst at Credit Suisse in Tokyo, said the troubles at Toyota in maintaining profits and vehicle sales were worse than it looked on the surface because of what he characterized as some bookkeeping stunts that were boosting the numbers.
I wonder what that is all about? I guess it doesn't make anyone nervous because it's Toyota. :rolleyes:
 

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This is a rosy view of the over all picture - the one analyst quoted is correct in hinting around that this is so.
Koji Endo, auto analyst at Credit Suisse in Tokyo, said the troubles at Toyota in maintaining profits and vehicle sales were worse than it looked on the surface because of what he characterized as some bookkeeping stunts that were boosting the numbers.

"The numbers on the surface don't look that bad, but when you look at what they are showing, the situation is extremely tough for Toyota," he said.

First the easy ones.

#1. ) 'Likely' future default loan and residual value losses do not appear to be fully funded yet - this is perfectly acceptable to break up per quarter - but should be noted. Honda and most notably Nissan appear to have gone the other way with it and funded almost the whole thing - as it looks likely right now. ( Subject to change - for all. )

#2.) The Yen valuation is still in fact still boosting profits all over the planet - it's just having less of a still strong positive effect. This is a large part of why TME's ( Europe ) performance issues are not being discussed.

#3a and #3b. ) Operating profit numbers - North America ( USA really ) and worldwide.

From a longer article at Bloomberg - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=amgeX44rzXjI&refer=asia
Operating profit in North America fell 57 percent as record gasoline prices cut demand for large vehicles, forcing President Katsuaki Watanabe to halt U.S. production of Tundra pickups and Sequoia SUVs for three months from August. The models eroded gains from fuel-efficient vehicles that spurred an 8.1 percent increase in net income for Honda Motor Co., which doesn't make full-size trucks.

``Toyota can't escape a terrible market,'' said Fumiyasu Sato, chief executive officer of Milestone Asset Management, a Tokyo-based investment adviser. ``Truck demand will keep shrinking and the shift to small cars will accelerate.''

The Tundra and Sequoia accounted for 7.6 percent of Toyota's U.S. sales through July -.

- Operating profit, < worldwide> or sales minus the cost of goods sold and selling, general and administrative expenses, fell 39 percent to 412.6 billion yen in the quarter, Toyota said.
That 57% decrease in North American operating profit is likely or really possibly part ( only ) of why Hybrid production for NA has been cut - less subsidy available.

This also shows the effect substituting Yaris es for 4 Runners etc and Lexuses is having on profits - it's big, real big - notice their 'North American' unit volume is only down approx a tenth of that - 57% .

Finally you can use operating profit coverage or lack there of to sort out article's and analysts who are clueless or busy spinnin' or both.
 

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How is such a loss any good? Toyota is showing the exact same signs GM was in 2002-2003 when all this started.
:yup:

That's what I've always said. Toyota is heading down the same road GM was in the 80s and 90s. Once they hit the top, it won't be long until they start tumbling back down and face all the problems that GM and Ford are dealing with today.
 

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I thought Toyota was immune to all this? Must be bad management :rolleyes:
Toyota is not immune to all this, but they seem to be immune to the kinds of problems GM has (otherwise Toyota would have lost $15b instead of making $3b).
 

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Toyota is not immune to all this, but they seem to be immune to the kinds of problems GM has (otherwise Toyota would have lost $15b instead of making $3b).
GM took the kitchen sink approach - threw everything ( negative) possible into the quarter.

Toyota very clearly took the other approach ( both are legit ) - could not have made it 'look' better.

Toyota has all the unlevel playing field advantages including the effects of 30 plus years of operation.

Ignoring all that except for this quarter past .........a more correct value for the Yen ie non 'subsidized' and Toyota would be negative bigtime - and, if you took GM's one time charges out of theirs there would only be about a 1 - 3 billion dollar (negative) difference.
 

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Toyota has all the unlevel playing field advantages including the effects of 30 plus years of operation.
Toyota has all the unlevel playing field advantages, and GM still turns out the better product. :yup:
 

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GM took the kitchen sink approach - threw everything ( negative) possible into the quarter.

Toyota very clearly took the other approach ( both are legit ) - could not have made it 'look' better.

Toyota has all the unlevel playing field advantages including the effects of 30 plus years of operation.

Ignoring all that except for this quarter past .........a more correct value for the Yen ie non 'subsidized and Toyota would be negative bigtime - and, if you took GM's one time charges out of theirs there would only be about a 1 - 3 billion dollar (negative) difference.
How many quarters is GM going to continue this approach though? They've thrown that kitchen sink in for the last 8 quarters...
 

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Read between the lines. Here is some help:
Oh great, a post from you qouting your earlier post -- why should that post, when quoted by you, have any more credibility than when you first posted it? Underestimating the competition is exactly what got GM in this mess in the first place...

How many quarters is GM going to continue this approach though? They've thrown that kitchen sink in for the last 8 quarters...
Exactly! This isn't the first time in recent history GM reported a huge loss while the Toyotas and Hondas make billions every quarter. What do you think that does to GM's long-term competitiveness? Already there's no cash for future product development and programs are being cut or delayed.
 

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Oh great, a post from you qouting your earlier post -- why should that post, when quoted by you, have any more credibility than when you first posted it? Underestimating the competition is exactly what got GM in this mess in the first place...
No way, it all started with pension and healthcare issues. But before that they were seeing their profits slow down, similarily to Toyota. Toyota will face maybe not the same issues, but other issues affect profitability. Near 30% drop is HUGE.
 

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No way, it all started with pension and healthcare issues. But before that they were seeing their profits slow down, similarily to Toyota. Toyota will face maybe not the same issues, but other issues affect profitability. Near 30% drop is HUGE.
GM got into ridiculous commitments for pensions and healthcare because they never expected the competition take away significant market share. In other words, it's an aspect of underestimating the competition, which is what I said.

30% drop is huge... what was GM's drop this quarter?
 

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If you're going to spin for Mr T and spin against GM, at least make it believable - for the PG13 plus group.
 

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As a long time GM share holder I'm not familiar with this term called "profit"
Someone help me out...
What's a profit?
 
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