[notacarguy]

Toyota Motor Corp.'s China car sales beat General Motors Corp.'s in the first nine months of the year, as the Japanese company threatens to end GM's 77-year reign as the world's largest automaker. Toyota's two Chinese ventures boosted nine-month sales 30 percent to 407,427 cars and sport-utility vehicles. GM's car sales were little changed at 373,945, according to Bloomberg calculations based on data issued by the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.

Source: http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081022/AUTO01/810220346

 

[Sal Collaziano]

GM has only been making very good vehicles for the past few years. If they continue to improve and manage to survive awhile longer, they'll have nothing to worry about..

 

[AMERICA 123]

Well, it sure looks like Bloomberg is still long Toyota and short GM.:lmao:

 

[FBODYRULES]

GM has only been making very good vehicles for the past few years. If they continue to improve and manage to survive awhile longer, they'll have nothing to worry about..

this is true, apart from all the amazing cars that are now major sort after famous classics they made back in the day!!
but yeah, they are back on track now....

 

[AMERICA 123]

Saab is now outselling Lexus in Europe by almost exactly the amount that's being alleged here for Toyota outselling GM in China.

 

[Aprime]

Saab is now outselling Lexus in Europe by almost exactly the amount that's being alleged here for Toyota outselling GM in China.

Not that Lexus has ever been popular in Europe...

 

[tirediron]

Isnt this market where Rick was banking GM's and his future on? I mean besides everyone that wants a $40000 Volt?

 

[lam]

Toyota Motor Corp.'s China car sales beat General Motors Corp.'s in the first nine months of the year, as the Japanese company threatens to end GM's 77-year reign as the world's largest automaker. Toyota's two Chinese ventures boosted nine-month sales 30 percent to 407,427 cars and sport-utility vehicles. GM's car sales were little changed at 373,945, according to Bloomberg calculations based on data issued by the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.

Source: http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081022/AUTO01/810220346

Those numbers don't count Wuling , add Wuling , GM out sells Toyota by a land side in China.

 

[AMERICA 123]

Also doesn't count 'grey market' new vehicle / independent export out of the country of which there is now a decent amount concerning Toyota.

Notice too, that Bloomberg doesn't compare GM's continuing thrashing of Toyota in Europe, Russia, and basically anywhere else that looks good for GM.

 

[Aprime]

Also doesn't count 'grey market' new vehicle / independent export out of the country of which there is now a decent amount concerning Toyota.

Notice too, that Bloomberg doesn't compare GM's continuing thrashing of Toyota in Europe, Russia, and basically anywhere else that looks good for GM.

F's sake, Europe's domestic bunch never really had any problems competing with foreigners (especially the Asians). To anyone that closely follows the industry it's not even worth mentioning - and simply because Bloomberg's analysis only indicates China's OFFICIAL (per company excluding 'child' corps) results doesn't mean there's a form of bias in there, it's simply the target of the analysis, the rest is up to the reporters really, not Bloomberg.

 

[mgescuro]

Hmm.
I wonder if there was really a drop in GM sales, or if it was a big surge in Toyota sales?

 

[lam]

Hmm.
I wonder if there was really a drop in GM sales, or if it was a big surge in Toyota sales?

Those numbers don't count Wuling , add Wuling , GM out sells Toyota by a land side in China.

 

[mbukukanyau]

Toyota spin. I know it when I see it.

 

[fp115]

Hmm.
I wonder if there was really a drop in GM sales, or if it was a big surge in Toyota sales?

The source doesn't count all of GM's sales. GM sales have gone up, as have Toyota's.

 

[Hudson]

Those numbers don't count Wuling , add Wuling , GM out sells Toyota by a land side in China.

Wuling vehicles aren't all GM vehicles. Wuling only builds a few GM products...the majority of their trucks are their own.

 

[supermoto]

The entire article was posted on the MT forums and it claims that all vehicle sales for GM are over 1 million in China. These numbers are for "cars" only. Another way to show an edge for Toyota that isn't there.

 

[Hudson]

The entire article was posted on the MT forums and it claims that all vehicle sales for GM are over 1 million in China. These numbers are for "cars" only. Another way to show an edge for Toyota that isn't there.

Why is that? "Cars" in China includes many light trucks.

 

[supermoto]

Explain how Toyota is ahead when GM sells over a million and Toyota sells less than half that?