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Yeah, they can't run the iForce because they'd be out in 25 laps. :p
 

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When Honda enters NASCAR, Joe Gibbs will move over there. They are not very brand loyal, and they will take t*%^%^&'s technology with them.
You know, that might not be a bad thing, so long as Chevrolet, Ford and Dodge were to withdraw their factory support for NASCAR.
 

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How many races has toyota won? One.
How many races has EVERYONE ELSE won? A LOT more.
I wouldn't get to worked up over this. Sure, they won this race, and the Gibbs team has been strong all year..but also look at it this way:

-Dodge has the Daytona 500 this year...in fact, first and second in the biggest race of the year

-Ford won the last 2 races, and had the best car today before mechanical problems

-Earnhadt Junior in a Chevy has been a top 5 car in 3 of the 4 races so far this year.

-Jeff Gordon in a Chevy had a top 3 chevy in Daytona, won a poll and top 5 in Atlanta, and at times had the dominant car and car to beat in the other 2 races.
 

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It was another dark, gloomy day for NASCAR. I would've been happier to see Busch's car hailed with beer cans after the race. There seemed to be fewer spectators in the stands, but a better show of disappointment would have made me proud.
 

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It was another dark, gloomy day for NASCAR. I would've been happier to see Busch's car hailed with beer cans after the race. There seemed to be fewer spectators in the stands, but a better show of disappointment would have made me proud.
Perhaps if the popularity of the sport continues to decline, the Big 3 will get the message, and pull out of the Series.

It is stunning how so many that howled with outrage when the Giant announced its plans to buy a Cup now have no problem supporting the Giant in his quest.

I believe the word is "hipocracy".
 

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NASCAR now officially blows.

First, they change to the Chase format which has robbed Jeff of 2 championships in 6 years. Second, they messed w/ the restrictor plate racing which forced cars to run together at Daytona, possibly costing senior his life. Third, they've allowed Toyota to come in and run races w/o their own engine, as they've been using Dodge blocks from the get-go since they didn't have anything of their own. Fourth, they now use "Car of Tomorrow" and will eventually use a 'common engine'.

I told my wife, after the first Toyota win in the main cup series, I officially withdraw support from watching every race (like we used to).

Put a fork in me, I'm done...
 

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It is a sad sad day when non Nascar watchers call me up to say " CAN YA F**KIN BELIEVE A F**KIN TOYOTA WON THE RACE...Damn JOE GIBBS RACING TO HELL
 

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Toyota was going to win this year, they got Joe Gibbs racing which is one of the top shops in NASCAR. This is no big deal, the teams/drivers are far more important than the engines. As long as Chevy has a few good teams like DEI and Hendrick, they will be just fine and always in contention.
 

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Nascar has been dead since Dale died, I hope they put V8 supercars on TV in the US. Good old Ford vs Holden.
 

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Can someone in the know explain to me the difference between a Camry stock car and a Charger or Impala stock car?

Are the engines different?


Who's up for seeing real Montes, G8s, Camrys, and Chargers on the race track for 500 laps? I sure am. Hell, I'd like to see the Craftsman truck series with the Tundra, Silverado, and Ram.
 

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If NASCAR is dead you might want to let the millions of fans who are loyal fans know!
Financially it is far from dead, as far as the sport and the cars go it is a complete joke. The majority isn't always smart.
 

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Perhaps if the popularity of the sport continues to decline, the Big 3 will get the message, and pull out of the Series.

It is stunning how so many that howled with outrage when the Giant announced its plans to buy a Cup now have no problem supporting the Giant in his quest.

I believe the word is "hipocracy".

I was thinking the decline is because of Toyota, "good ole' boyz" don't drive rice-burners ............

If the Big 3 pull out, then NASCAR will die, or they'll all continue to root for their drivers in a Honda, Nissan or Toyota.

JGR has always done well at this track, the car is the same, chassis, suspension, set-up, Toyota engineers got the power out of the engine this year, Kyle drives like a nut, and wins or crashes trying .... (MOVE OVER DALE JARRET) yikes, that was close!
 
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