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Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

Wow if that isn't arrogant statement then I don't know what is. :rolleyes:

Seriously you need help if you believe driving with a stick is the only way to go. Just because you prefer driving with a stick doesn't mean everyone should be forced to drive with a stick. You prefer the stick so be it. I and many others prefer the automatic. The option to select either transmission should be available on powerful sports cars. Saying an stick should only be available on the Corvette, the G8, or any other car is just purely ignorant and narrow minded.
You tell 'em! When my grandmother drives her Windstar, she prefers an automatic, too. She says it is hard to put the denture creme on and shift gears at the same time.

And gran'dad likes the automatic at his work too. He says shifting gears manually causes the casket to bounce around in back too much.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

The annoying thing about this article is how these journalists almost always turn the most positive of GM reviews, with all these great products coming out recently, into bash-fests of things they didn't like about GM (Pontiac in this case) in the past; they even slammed the Grand Prix GXP, which was actually a damn fun car to drive, fast, comfortable, nicely balanced, and a good value at the time; and they take a poke at the current Solstice. It seems only GM gets this journalistic treatment.
I know what you mean about that. I really hate it too because new product is usually going to be better than the previous version, model. However, that's not to say the previous version of a vehicle is so bad. However, I was glad to see they mentioned the 6000 STE, which I think was an awesome car of it's day and I really miss mine. That was the only 4 door car that I have personally bought and thoroughly enjoyed it. I only wish I could have gotten an 89 version instead of the 86 I had. Late 88 and 89 had the awd system in them. In 1990, awd was put in the 6000 SE and the STE went away with the 89 MY.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

You tell 'em! When my grandmother drives her Windstar, she prefers an automatic, too. She says it is hard to put the denture creme on and shift gears at the same time.

And gran'dad likes the automatic at his work too. He says shifting gears manually causes the casket to bounce around in back too much.
Oh cut it out.

The sad truth is that most of us are going to spend a lot of time stuck in traffic, no matter what we buy. An automatic makes it easier.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

The sad truth is that most of us are going to spend a lot of time stuck in traffic, no matter what we buy. An automatic makes it easier.
I'm with you. It's like when you go to the mall. Who wants to walk all the way from J.C. Penny to Macy's? I just go to the customer service desk and have them call the guy driving the golf cart around.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

The G8 is a nice car, but there is something about it that does not excite me or tempt me very much.

It's good to here that the G8 GT has the potential to keep up with the Charger, but here is the problem. I can go to any Dodge dealership right now and buy any combo and color of Charger I want from a V6 baser to a sublime SRT-8, where are the G8's? Did the pirates get them? Did the ship sink? I dont get it, new CTS and Malibus are available, but I have yet to even hear of a Pontiac dealer even getting a G8 invoiced, they do have a couple of ugly as sin G6 GXP's to hold them over.

Thats the problem, and why the G8 really does not pose a threat to the Charger, at least not while it's production and transportation pipeline is 12,000 miles away. Rah rah for the possible LS3 and manual option and for he lucky few that get there hands on the handfull of G8's they manage to import, I am sure those lucky customers will love them. Remember that this vehicle is intended to replace both the Grand Prix and the Bonneville, both vehicles that sold close to or over 100,000 unit per year each, and the GTO which sold about 16,000 per year, so how many are they going to import, 20,000? Good luck Pontiac.

Yes I know that there were many Grand Prixs and Bonnys pressed into fleet service, even you discount those, the retails sales for each one of them still amount to more than what Pontiac expecting with an ALL retail G8 sales mix.

Too bad there is'nt a country out there were GM has a bunch of under-used factory capacity and a ready and skilled workforce that is ready to build some cars!
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

I'm with you. It's like when you go to the mall. Who wants to walk all the way from J.C. Penny to Macy's? I just go to the customer service desk and have them call the guy driving the golf cart around.
We get your point, some people need a stickshift to feel manly. To each his own.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

Did the pirates get them?
LOL, That one made my drink come out my nose.

Pirate 1: "Argh, Look at this fine haul of steel and rubber booty matey."
Pirate 2: "Keep your filthy hands off the black one, you scurvy dog."
Pirate 1: "What will ye be doin' with your share then?"
Pirate 2: "I'll either trade mine for a case of rum or sell it to an American at 5000 gold coins over their standard price."
Pirate 1: "How do you figure that you bilge rat?"
Pirate 2: "I've was once a salesman at a Pontiac dealer whence I was a landlubber."
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

We get your point, some people need a stickshift to feel manly. To each his own.
No no no, if you drive an automatic you are somehow less than human. There is no choice. You can't have what you want only what others decide you should have.

Personally I think he (HR) should sit down with a nice warm cup of STFU.
 
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There is no choice. You can't have what you want only what others decide you should have.
Malibu - no manual choice.
Impala - no manual choice.
Silverado - no manual choice.
Equinox - no manual choice.
Trailblazer - no manual choice.
Tahoe - no manual choice.
Suburban - no manual choice.
Aura - no manual choice.
Vue - no manual choice.
Outlook - no manual choice.
Grand Prix - no manual choice.
Torrent - no manual choice.
G8 V-6 - no manual choice.
Lacrosse - no manual choice.
Lucerne - no manual choice.
Enclave - no manual choice.
Sierra - no manual choice.
Yukon - no manual choice.
Yukon XL - no manual choice.
Acadia - no manual choice.
STS - no manual choice.
DTS - no manual choice.
SRX - no manual choice.
XLR - no manual choice.
Escalade - no manual choice.

Now where is my cup of STFU?
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

I truely believe that this car will put Pontiac back into the game. No more posts about killing Pontiac, this car is what true Pontiacs are all about! Lets just hope the formula for this car trickles down on the other ones to make Pontiac a truely sport inspired brand! :D
This is what Pontiac should be: 3-4 cars like this, no rebadges, no crossovers, no cutesy hatches. Plus alliances with aftermarket manufacturers to customize Pontiacs to a gearhead's delight.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

Now where is my cup of STFU?
It's still here. The thread is about the G8. Have you even said anything about it other than insulting automatic owners. Until then talk about the thread or take a hike and enjoy that steaming warm mug.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

Plus alliances with aftermarket manufacturers to customize Pontiacs to a gearhead's delight.
One can only dream. :D
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

So the fastest Charger beat the midlevel G8. Very nice. Lets GXP that car and do it again.
LOL well actually, till the GXP is officially in the lineup, the Fastest charger beat the Fastest G8.

The G8 Gt is still the better car, its cheaper by a whole lot, better interior, and only just slightly slower.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

That is nice. But gm has to put DI in V-6 and V-8 to keep it ahead of competition. It will improve power and economy. Come on gm, who is going to buy v-8 g8 with manual trans. what is the point in getting performance sedan automatic. LOL it is like when some people get corvette that is automatic. Those people need some help. How does gm manage to produce only 360 hp from 6.0 v-8? that is just wrong. G35 has 3.7l engine and 330hp v-6 and they are both performance sedans. GM needs to learn how to decrease displacement and increase hp. like every other company. Look gm has 6.0l with 360 hp and that same engine with 400 hp. why not make one that is 5.5l with 360hp that will give you better mpg.
you're obviously not a "engine" guy, hp means next to nothing...it's torque that moves cars. hp is just a measurement of how well the engine does work over a given period of time, so yes it's a 6.0 with 360 hp, but it still get the same or better gas millage AND is more powerful than Nissan's 330hp v6 cus it makes large amounts of torque over a longer rpm range than those smaller motors. which means less revving, which means it's a far less stressed power plant. oh, i also forgot that this same archaic large engine is also dimensionally as small as the Nissan v6 AND lighter...mmmmm, why doesn't Nissan learn to make BIG engines that are both more powerful AND smaller like every other company....oh, cus they can't.
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

If it means anything...the official GM website still lists a manual transmission as being available, but has not been updated since 02/07. Fuel economy must be a great concern as sixth gear has a .57 ratio.
Top gear on my T56 is 0.5:1 - even taller. Makes it a bit unusable except on constant hwy cruise. 1500rpm at 60mph for ~ 32-3 USmpg, 2500rpm at 90mph for about US23mpg. That is from a lighter car with 5.7 and smaller frontal area, but no DoD. Owners of VE SS get not far off, once run in (which takes a while).

The SS has similar ratios to the GTO's M12 which are a tad more sensible than the moonshot gearing on mine.

I don't know why there is any surprise at the straightline of the G8 - it closely mirrors the SS-V Commodore @ low 5's, high 13's for the quarter.

Wheels tested a 361hp SS on a cold, slippery track to quicker than a SRT8 which was quicker as you'd imagine in roll-ons. Of course the HSV Clubsport with 421hp LS2 comprehensively turns the tables on the SRT.

G8 a catback and tune, or a 3.7 rear end away from low 13's on street rubber if results from drags here are anything to go by. And the ZF rear end handles 450whp no problems.

Motor magazine's 2006 BFYB was won by the slightly lighter SS Commodore:

0-100km/h (0-62mph) in seconds

Audi RS4 - 4.80
Lotus Exige S - 4.93
Holden VE SS - 5.20
FPV F6 Typhoon - 5.40
Mitsubishi EVO9 - 5.40

Kerb Weight (kg)

FPV F6 Typhoon - 1776
Holden VE SS - 1770
Holden VE SV6 - 1725
Ford Falcon XR6T - 1684
Audi RS4 - 1650

0-400m (Quarter Mile) seconds @ km/h

Audi RS4 - 13.00 @ 178.1
Lotus Exige S - 13.32 @ 175.2
Holden VE SS - 13.40 @ 174.9
FPV F6 Typhoon - 13.50 @ 175.1
Mitsubishi EVO9 - 13.50 @ 169.1

Overall Final BFYB Placings - Points (Price Category)
1st Holden VE SS - 129.3 ($40-50k)
2nd Mitsubishi EVO9 - 128.6 ($50-80k)
3rd Subaru WRX STi - 122.9 ($50-80k)
4th Mazda 3 MPS - 118.5 ($30-40k)
5th Mitsubishi Rallyart Colt Turbo - 114.2 (Sub $30k)
 
Re: IL Tests "America's 2nd Quickest Sedan"; The Pontiac G8 GT

I'd buy the Vette in automatic. Let's face it: today's automatics can shift faster than I ever could, and most of them in sports cars let you shift for yourself via paddles. I don't need a clutch pedal to know that I'm a good driver or that I have a performance automobile.
i think we Americans miss the point of a manual in ANY sports car altogether. it has NOTHING to do with going fast or faster in a straight line. it's all about complete and total control over the drive line when the car is being subjected to all around performance situations, ie , emergency stopping, accident avoidance, high speed cornering, low traction launches, high traction launches, matching revs while shifting through switch back roads, engine braking, inducing or reducing yaw angles in a power slide or drift, and all out top speed runs,(which I'll admit is only because manuals generally have far better gear spreads than autos).

ANYONE who really enjoys performance DRIVING, not point and shoot squirting through traffic, will readily admit that a manual is far superior to a automatic. and just cus it's EASIER to run consistent quarter mile times in a automatic does NOT mean it's faster than a equally set up manual car....

it just shows that a manual car needs to have more money and time spent on the most important mod of all.... THE DRIVER MOD!
 
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