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Due to the popularity of the Chevy "Worst Car" poll, I made a Pontiac one. Some of these might only have been "bad" in the styling category, others an abyssmal failure in reliability, or just a general failure to produce excitement, some with enough name changes to make one wonder.....there might even be a couple here that you really like (I just needed to fill up poll space and chose a few "dead" nameplates) you choose the one to get voted off the island of history.



 

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Dude, how can you even include the Fiero in that list, thats cold.......
Anyway, I vote for the Lemans, and yes it's a cop out since Pontiac didn't actually make it.
 

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Originally posted by Maetrix66@Mar 10 2004, 06:41 PM
Dude, how can you even include the Fiero in that list, thats cold.......
Anyway, I vote for the Lemans, and yes it's a cop out since Pontiac didn't actually make it.
oh i sure think the fiero belongs on that list... and i LOVE the car! but it sure wasn't an outright success. i don't think it's the worst pontiac ever... but by some criteria it's probably one of its biggest flops. such high hopes...
 

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I'd have to say the Korean 80's Pontiac Aveo tops the list (LeMans) even though it should have been called something else...but Ming you forgot the T1000

The good 'ol Chevette Twin :p
 

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Originally posted by PontiacJ8@Mar 10 2004, 07:54 PM
I'd have to say the Korean 80's Pontiac Aveo tops the list (LeMans) even though it should have been called something else...but Ming you forgot the T1000

The good 'ol Chevette Twin :p
was the T1000 sold in the states? i think the pontiac acadian (chevette clone) was canada-only. maybe the 2004 wave DOES make sense!

(still doesn't make it right!)
 

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Originally posted by PontiacJ8@Mar 10 2004, 02:54 PM
Ming you forgot the T1000
I ran out of poll space - :p

Actually I figured the Chevette "won" the worst Chevy car poll (so far at least), and wanted some "fresh blood" in there.

Besides, it was a total clone, right? At least the Sunbird and other "twins" have had some distinctive differences besides a badge.

The Daewoo-Pontiac Lemans looks to take the lead! :lol:
 

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I just would hate(not really) to see what would have come of the fiero if they hadn't put that stupid 2.5 iron duke in them. The first thing I did to mine was yank that leaky thing out of it. I mean, come on, the head has no oil drainback, and no seating for the VC gasket, of course it's going to leak oil. And of course no one would stop when they smell oil burning....
Sorry, thats a sore spot for me.
 

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Originally posted by Maetrix66@Mar 10 2004, 06:41 PM
Dude, how can you even include the Fiero in that list, thats cold.......
Anyway, I vote for the Lemans, and yes it's a cop out since Pontiac didn't actually make it.
Ask any mechanic that has ever worked on one.
 

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I voted for the Chevette in the Chevrolet poll, so I figured I should vote for it's twin here, although the Le-mons would certainly be competition here.
 

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doh, I've swapped the 2.5 out for a 3100, added a turbo, and am going to change the lower body panels for custom ones of my design. I don't think they are hard to work on.
 

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Originally posted by Maetrix66@Mar 10 2004, 03:53 PM
doh, I've swapped the 2.5 out for a 3100, added a turbo, and am going to change the lower body panels for custom ones of my design. I don't think they are hard to work on.
Sorry to go off-topic, but it sounds like a nice car! A lot closer to the lighter, better performer Pontiac you were aluding to in another thread.
 

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The Fiero has no right to be on that list. I'm convinced that if GM worked up enough balls and re-introduce the Fiero (sans any mechanical flaws) using the orginal body style - it would sell.

So that's why i voted LeMans.
 

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Originally posted by doh+Mar 10 2004, 08:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (doh @ Mar 10 2004, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Maetrix66@Mar 10 2004, 06:41 PM
Dude, how can you even include the Fiero in that list, thats cold.......
Anyway, I vote for the Lemans, and yes it's a cop out since Pontiac didn't actually make it.
Ask any mechanic that has ever worked on one. [/b][/quote]
And they'll tell you how they pulled the spare tire, ripped up that plastic underneat it and still couldn't find the engine.

My vote for biggest mistake goes to the 67 Firebird, They should have built the Banshee instead.
 

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Originally posted by GroundedZ@Mar 10 2004, 10:12 PM
The Fiero has no right to be on that list. I'm convinced that if GM worked up enough balls and re-introduce the Fiero (sans any mechanical flaws) using the orginal body style - it would sell.

So that's why i voted LeMans.
I love the idea of the Fiero, but the execution in 1984 was sloppy. You'll find the Fiero on more than a few "worst cars of all time" lists on the web out there, due primarily to problems with the car. So even though I like it, I figured it deserved a place on the list. I don't necessarily agree with these "lists", but here are a few:

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagea...l_0126feat.html


Knowing in advance that we would consider at least some of our finds to be, actually, somewhat lovable vehicles, we gave special consideration to cars that were potentially noble ideas, but mismanaged. Pontiac's Fiero and Honda's Accord, both of which are on the list, started badly but got much better over time.
http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-62E8-3...-3970EDE7-prod1

PONTIAC FIERO- Question: Have you ever seen a Fiero that did not have a single headlight stuck in the upright position? No? Me neither. Thankfully, Pontiac stopped making this gem of a car when they realized that it was not very quick, not very sporty, and not very good. I am still not sure if the brilliant mechanics have figured out why the stray headlight always pops up and never goes down. Viagra?
http://www.racerchicks.com/auto/lemons.html
 

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Viagra??

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are that's funny right there....
Lord I apologize......
(Excerpt from the Cable Guy, the standup comic one, not the movie)
I haven't had any problems with my headlights, yet.
I just say they reintroduce the Speedster over here, and use Rex Raiders chop
for the Fiero GT body design, now that would be a car.
Sadly, as much as I like the Solstice, now that Pontiac has that in the
lineup it would make the Fiero kinda redundant.
Two small sports cars...regardless of where the engine is.
I just think the people making these lists have never driven a fiero.
Here is a quote from badger, a member of he fiero forum, speaking on his addiction....
The worst part? It's incurable. Abandon all hope, for that Fiero owns you, no matter what the title says.
I bought my first baby in early 1986. After GM bought my company (EDS) I was suddenly faced with an employee discount of 15% off of dealer invoice! I looked at Cadilac's and Corvettes. Then I sat down in an '86 notchback, and the monkey's been on my back ever since. I immediately ordered one from the factory. Probably the only '86 SE notchback in the entire world with V6, manual brakes and steering, and NO SUNROOF.
Then came the dark days. I sold my Fiero four years ago. Bought a new SUV. Madness! The sky darkened. Flavor went out of food. It was hard to get out of bed in the morning. There was no joy in going anywhere, so why bother? It was a slow descent into a deep depression.
Two months ago I bought an '88 GT. I have to refill the tank every eight gallons. There's an exhaust leak. It needs painting badly. The vinyl has pulled away...everywhere. I had to pay $25 for a two cent plastic connector at The Fiero Store. Last night in heavy traffic the TCC locked up.
I couldn't be happier.
The clouds have parted and angels are singing. Why do people who don't own Fieros even drive? You might as well take the bus. Busses corner as well as SUV's. Everything corners like a bus after you've driven a Fiero.
No, my friends, I'm here to testify : You will never get that red-over-black monkey off your back.
 

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Originally posted by Maetrix66@Mar 12 2004, 01:06 PM
I just think the people making these lists have never driven a fiero.

Here is a quote from badger, a member of he fiero forum, speaking on his addiction....
The worst part? It's incurable. Abandon all hope, for that Fiero owns you, no matter what the title says.
I bought my first baby in early 1986. After GM bought my company (EDS) I was suddenly faced with an employee discount of 15% off of dealer invoice! I looked at Cadilac's and Corvettes. Then I sat down in an '86 notchback, and the monkey's been on my back ever since. I immediately ordered one from the factory. Probably the only '86 SE notchback in the entire world with V6, manual brakes and steering, and NO SUNROOF.
Then came the dark days. I sold my Fiero four years ago. Bought a new SUV. Madness! The sky darkened. Flavor went out of food. It was hard to get out of bed in the morning. There was no joy in going anywhere, so why bother? It was a slow descent into a deep depression.
Two months ago I bought an '88 GT. I have to refill the tank every eight gallons. There's an exhaust leak. It needs painting badly. The vinyl has pulled away...everywhere. I had to pay $25 for a two cent plastic connector at The Fiero Store. Last night in heavy traffic the TCC locked up.
I couldn't be happier.
The clouds have parted and angels are singing. Why do people who don't own Fieros even drive? You might as well take the bus. Busses corner as well as SUV's. Everything corners like a bus after you've driven a Fiero.
No, my friends, I'm here to testify : You will never get that red-over-black monkey off your back.
i'd say badger has given evidence why the fiero SHOULD be on the list! by most measurements it's not a good car... but to those that 'get' the fiero it's a great car! i feel the exact same way as you and badger... so i'm not slamming the car... but look at his description! at the same time, say the same things about any other car and people run screaming. fiero has earned a very special status. i am not aware of any other car that, being such a dud on paper and in the quality/reliability department, was so well received by legions of fans. says ALOT for the appeal of the vehicle. people howl when their cupholder breaks in their camry... yet i'm still laughing about my toasted 2M4... and looking for another!
 

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Thats what I mean, I just can't consider a car a flop that after 20 years still has as strong a following as the fiero. I mean, there are tons of cars that have problems, both new and 20 years down the line, but people still want despite the problems are the ones that have something special. Name one of General Motors cars today that has as much character as the Fiero. The Nomad kinda does, but that is facing an uncertain future. The other two have over 50,000 dollar pricetags. I understand that he had to have some other choices to fill out the list, and the 2.5l 84 fiero does make a easy target, but I say this, drive a fiero for a week, let it grow on you, then give it up.

Then tell me you think it's a flop when you want one back.
 

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Originally posted by Maetrix66@Mar 12 2004, 01:39 PM
Thats what I mean, I just can't consider a car a flop that after 20 years still has as strong a following as the fiero. I mean, there are tons of cars that have problems, both new and 20 years down the line, but people still want despite the problems are the ones that have something special. Name one of General Motors cars today that has as much character as the Fiero. The Nomad kinda does, but that is facing an uncertain future. The other two have over 50,000 dollar pricetags. I understand that he had to have some other choices to fill out the list, and the 2.5l 84 fiero does make a easy target, but I say this, drive a fiero for a week, let it grow on you, then give it up.

Then tell me you think it's a flop when you want one back.
hmmm... perhaps i understand now. there is more than 1 measure of success... and any car that can please so many people DESPITE all the fiero's problems deserves praise. oh i want another fiero right now! thanks alot... you single handedly threw me off the wagon! hahaha!

(BTW, i can call myself diehard... for years i had fiero seats in my living room, hooked up to my stereo :))
 

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At least the Fiero was reaching for something special. Maybe it didn't exactly hit the mark, but it was a great attempt by some car guys in Pontiac to do something special.

Now, drive a mid-80s RWD Grand Prix with the base 3.8 V6 and the automatic. Or a Iron Duke powered 6000. Maybe they weren't bad cars for commuting, but they certainly weren't exciting!
 

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Originally posted by Tone@Mar 12 2004, 02:47 PM
At least the Fiero was reaching for something special. Maybe it didn't exactly hit the mark, but it was a great attempt by some car guys in Pontiac to do something special.
i've read up on the fiero, and it's a pretty cool story. the original idea was to build a powerful little 2-seater, but the corvette had been redesigned around the time the fiero was due, and GM didn't want the fiero stealing any of the vette's thunder. pontiac had to pitch it as a commuter car to get approval. obviously it graduated from commuter car to poor man's ferrari with the eventual GT. still, it's a case of one pontiac engineer with a vision, who had to make a few exceptions to get the car built. viva fiero!
 
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