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Focus-compact car, built in Wayne
coupe, convertible,3 door hatch,5 door hatch, sedan, wagon
trim levels-
S-1.6 ecoboost, no awd
SE-1.6 ecoboost, 2.0, 2.0 hybrid
SEL-1.6 ecoboost, 2.0, 2.0 hybrid, 2.5
Limited-1.6 ecoboost, 2.0 hybrid, 2.5
ST-2.0 ecoboost
RS-2.5 Turbo, no wagon, standard awd
SVT-2.5 ecoboost, no wagon, standard awd

Fusion-mid sized car(Mondeo),Hermosillo
coupe, convertible, sedan, 4 door notchback, wagon
trim levels-
S-2.5, 3.0, no awd
SE-2.0 ecoboost, 2.5, 2.5 hybrid, 3.0
SEL-2.0 ecoboost, 2.5, 2.5 hybrid, 2.5 ecoboost, 3.0, 3.5
Sport-2.0 ecoboost, 2.5 ecoboost, 3.0, 3.5
Limited-2.5 ecoboost, 3.5
ST-3.0 ecoboost, no wagon, standard awd
RS-3.5 ecoboost, no wagon, standard awd
Harley Davidson-3.5, 3.5 ecoboost, no wagon, standard awd

S-Max-mid sized van, Wayne
SE-2.0, 2.0 hybrid
SEL-2.0, 2.0 hybrid, 1.6 ecoboost, 2.5
Sport-1.6 ecoboost, 2.5, 3.0, 2.0 ecoboost
Limited-3.0, 2.0 ecoboost
ST-2.5 Turbo, stndard awd
SVT-2.5 ecoboost, standard awd

G-Max-Full sized van, Hermosillo (Galaxy)
S-1.6 ecoboost, 2.5
SE-1.6 ecoboost, 2.5, 2.5 hybrid, 2.0 ecoboost, 3.0
SEL-2.5 hybrid, 2.0 ecoboost, 3.0, 2.5 ecoboost, 3.5
Limited-2.5 ecoboost, 3.5
ST-3.0 ecoboost, standard awd
SVT-3.5 ecoboost, standard awd

Taurus-Full sized car, Chicago
sedan
SE-3.0, 3.5
SEL-2.5 ecoboost,3.0, 3.0 ecoboost, 3.5
Limited-2.5 ecoboost,3.0 hybrid, 3.5
ST-3.0 ecoboost, standard awd
SHO- 3.5 ecoboost, standard awd
Harley Davidson-3.5, 3.5 ecoboost, standard awd

Mustang-RWD Pony car, Flatrock
coupe,convertible,T-top,hard top,glass roof, notchback
v6 deluxe-3.5, 3.5 hybrid
v6 premium-3.5, 3.5 hybrid, 3.0 ecoboost
GT deluxe-5.0
GT premium-5.0
V6 pony package-3.5 hybrid, 3.0 ecoboost, 3.5 ecoboost
Gt cal. special-5.0
Bullitt-5.0 ecoboost
Shelby Gt350-3.5 ecoboost+upgrades
Mach 1-5.0 ecoboost+upgrades
Boss-6.2
Shelby GT500-6.2 ecoboost
GT500KR-6.2 ecoboost+upgrades
GT500SS-6.2 ecoboost+upgrades

Iosis-small RWD 2 seater (Reflex concept), Hiroshima
coupe, convertible
Deluxe-2.0, 2.0 hybrid
Premium-2.0 hybrid, 1.6 ecoboost, 2.5
GT-2.0 ecoboost
SVT-2.5 ecoboost

Galaxie-RWD large car, St.Thomas
4 door, 4 door convertible
SE-3.5, 3.5 hybrid
SEL-3.5, 3.5 hybrid, 3.5 ecoboost, 5.0
Limited-3.5 ecoboost, 5.0, 5.0 ecoboost, 6.2
Harley-6.2
500-6.2 ecoboost

Maverick-small RWD muscle car, St.Thomas
coupe, convertible
V6 Deluxe-3.5, 3.5 hybrid
V6 Premium-3.5, 3.5 hybrid, 3.5 ecoboost
GT Deluxe-5.0
GT Premium-5.0
500-5.0 ecoboost

Torino-large RWD muscle car, St.Thomas
Deluxe-3.5 ecoboost, 5.0
Premium-3.5 ecoboost, 5.0
GT-5.0 ecoboost, 6.2
500-6.2 ecoboost

Thunderbird-2 seat sports car RWD(corvette), St.Thomas
coupe, convertible
Premium-5.0
Gt-5.0 eco,6.2
SVT-6.2 ecoboost

Cobra-super convertible RWD(concept), Dearborn
Snake-6.2
SVT-6.2 eco

GR-1-super coupe RWD (concept), Dearborn
Snake-6.2
SVT-6.2 eco

GT-Super rear engine RWD, Dearborn
coupe, convertible
no trim levels, just 6.8 V10 ecoboost

Ka-city car, Mexico?
S-1.3
SE-1.3
Sport-1.3 turbo(evil twin)

LCF-low cab forward, Louisville
2 door, extended, 4 door
just a 4.5 Turbo deisel

Taurus X- elevated AWD wagon(Outback), Chicago
SEL-3.0, 3.5, 3.0 hybrid
Eddie Bauer-2.5 ecoboost,3.0 hybrid,3.5
Limited-3.0 hybrid, 3.5
Sport-3.0 ecoboost
SHO-3.5 ecoboost
Harley-3.5, 3.5 ecoboost

Flex-Full sixed crossover, Oakville
4 door, 4 door Sport Trac
SE-3.0, 3.5
SEL-2.5 ecoboost, 3.0 hybrid, 3.5
Limited-2.5 eco, 3.0 hybrid, 3.5
Sport-3.0 ecoboost, standard awd
SVT-3.5 ecoboost, standard awd
Harley-3.0 ecoboost, 3.5

Edge-mid sized crossover, Oakville
4 door, 4 door Sport Trac
SE-3.0 3.5
SEL-2.5 ecoboost, 3.0, 3.0 hybrid, 3.5
Sport-2.5 ecoboost,3.0 ecoboost
Limited-3.0 hybrid, 3.0 ecoboost, 3.5
SVT-3.5 ecoboost, standard awd

Escape-compact crossover(Kuga), Kansas City
XL-2.5, 3.0, no awd
XLT-2.0 ecoboost,2.5, 2.5 hybrid, 3.0
Sport-2.0 ecoboost,2.5 ecoboost
Limited-2.5 hybrid, 2.5 ecoboost, 3.0
SVT-3.0 ecoboost, standard awd

Expedition-Full size SUV, Wayne
2 door(Sport),4 door, 4 door extended, 4 door Sport Trac
XLT-3.5 hybrid, 5.4
Eddie Bauer-3.5 hybrid, 3.5 ecoboost, 4.4 deisel, 5.4
Limited-3.5 hybrid,3.5 ecoboost, 4.4 deisel, 5.4, 5.4 ecoboost, 6.2
King Ranch-3.5 ecoboost, 4.4 deisel,5.4, 5.4 ecoboost,6.2
Platnium-4.4 deisel,5.4 ecoboost, 6.2
Harley-6.2, 6.2 ecoboost,5.4 ecoboost, standard 4by4,no sport, no extended
SVT-6.2 ecoboost,standard 4by4, no sport, no extended

Explorer-Mid sized SUV, Louisville
4 door, 4 door Sport Trac
XLT-2.5 ecoboost,3.5, 5.0
Eddie-2.5 eco,3.5, 3.0 eco,3.0 hybrid, 5.0, 3.5 ecoboost
Limited-3.0 eco, 3.0 hybrid, 3.5 eco, 5.0
Ironman-3.5, 5.0, 3.5 eco,standard awd;off road model
Adrenalin-3.0 eco, 3.5 eco, standard awd;sport model
King Ranch-3.5 eco, 5.0
Harley-5.0, 5.0 eco, standard awd
SVT-5.0 eco, standard awd

Verve-sub compact crossover, Mexico?
S-1.4
SE-1.4, 1.6
SEL-1.6, 2.0
Limited-2.0
ST-1.6 ecoboost, 2.5
SVT-2.0 ecoboost

Bronco-Compact SUV, Louisville
2 door and convertible, 4 door and convertible
XL-2.5
XLT-1.6 eco, 2.5, 2.5 hybrid
Eddie-2.5 hybrid, 2.0 eco, 3.0
Limited-2.5 eco, 3.5
Ironman-3.5, 3.0 eco, standard awd;off road model
King Ranch-3.0 eco, 3.5
Harley-3.5 eco, standard awd

C-Max-compact van, Wayne
S-2.0
SE-2.0, 2.0 hybrid, 1.6 eco
SEL-2.0 hybrid, 1.6 eco, 2.5
Limited-1.6 eco, 2.5, 2.0 eco
ST-2.5 Turbo,standard awd
SVT-2.5 ecoboost, standaed awd

Fiesta-sub compact car, Mexico?
2,3,4,5 door
S-1.3
SE-1.3, 1.4
SEL- 1.4, 1.6
Limited-1.6
ST-2.0
SVT-2.0 ecoboost

Ranger- compact truck, Kansas City
2 door, extended, 4 door
XL-2.0 2.5
STX-2.0,1.6 eco, 2.5
XLT-2.0, 1.6 eco, 2.0 hybrid, 2.5
FX2-1.6 eco, 2.0,2.0 hybrid, 2.5, 3.0
FX4-2.0 hybrid, 2.0 eco, 3.0
Lariet-2.0 eco, 2.5 eco,3.0, no 2 door
King Ranch-2.0 eco, 2.5 eco, 3.0, no 2 door
Harley-2.5 eco, 3.0 eco, standard awd, no 2 or extended
SVT-3.0 ecoboost,standard awd

F-150-Full sixed Truck, Kansas City
2 door, extended, 4 door, 4 door extended
XL-3.7 4.6 2 valve
STX-3.7, 4.6 2/3 valve
XLT-3.7, 3.5 hybrid, 4.6 2/3 valve, 4.4 deisel, 3.5 eco, 5.0
FX2- 3.7 3.5 hybrid, 4.6 3 valve, 4.4 deisel, 3.5 eco, 5.0;sport model
FX3- 4.6 3 valve, 3.5, eco, 5.0, 5.4, 5.0 eco, standard 4by4, low riding model
FX4-3.5 hybrid,4.4 deisel,3.5 eco, 5.0, 5.4, 5.0 eco, 6.2
FX5-4.4 deisel, 5.0, 5.4, 5.0 eco, 6.2, standard 4by4, no 4 or 4 extended,this is the Raptor modl
Lariet-4.4 deisel, 5.4, 5.0 eco, 6.2, 5.4 eco
King-5.4, 5.0 eco, 6.2, 5.4 eco, no 2 door
Harley-6.2, 5.4 eco, 6.2 eco, standard 4by4, no 2
SVT-6.2 eco, standard 4by4, no 4 door extended
Platnium-6.2, .4 eco, no 2 or extended

F-100-mid sized truck, louisville
2 door, extended, 4 door and extended
XL-3.0
STX-2.0 eco, 3.0
XLT-2.0 eco, 3.0, 3.0 hybid, 3.7
FX2-2.0 eco, 2.5 eco, 3.0 eco, standard awd
FX4-3.0 hybrid, 2.5 eco, 3.7, 3.0 eco
Lariet-2.5 eco, 3.7, 3.0 eco, 3.5 eco, 5.0
King-3.0 eco, 3.5 eco, 5.0, no 2 door
Platnium-3.5 eco, 5.0, no 2 door
Harley-5.0, 5.0 eco, no 2 door, standard awd
SVT-5.0 eco, no 4 extended, standard awd

Super Duty-3/4 and 1 ton (F-250 and 350), louisville
2 door,extended, 4 door and extended
XL-5.4
STX-5.4, 5.0 eco
XLT-5.4, 5.0 eco, 6.2, Ford deisel
FX2-5.4, 5.0 eco, 6.2, 5.4 eco
FX4-5.o eco, 6.2, 5.4 eco, 6.8, Ford deisel
Lariet-6.2, 5.4 eco, 6.8, Ford deisel
King-5.4 eco,6.2, 6.8, Ford deisel, no 2 door
Platnium-5.4 eco, 6.2, 6.8, Ford deisel, no 2 door
Harley-6.2 eco, Ford deisel, no 2 door, standard 4by4

Mega Duty-1 1/4 and 1 1/2 ton (F-450 and 550), louisville
2 door, extended, 4 doorand extended
XL-6.2
XLT-6.2 eco, 6.8,Ford deisel, 6.2
Lariet-6.2 eco, 6.8, Ford deisel
King-6.2 eco, 6.8, Ford deisel
Platnium-6.2 eco, 6.8, Ford deisel

Giant Duty-1 3/4 and 2 ton (F-650 and 750), Escobedo
XL-6.7 deisel, 7.2 deisel
XLT-6.7 deisel, 7.2 deisel

E-Series-Full size Utility Van, Avon Lake,Ohio
XL-3.5 eco, 5.4, 4.4 deisel
XLT-3.5 eco, 5.4, 4.4 deisel, 6.8, Ford deisel
Fx4-4.4 deisel, 6.8, Ford deisel

Transit-mid sized utility van, Kocaeli
XL-3.7
XLT-3.7, 3.5 eco, 5.0

Transit Connect-compact utility van, Kocaeli
XL-2.0
XLT-2.0, 1.6 eco, 2.5
 

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It's true, that is a ton of overlap. You think Ford's tanking now...
 

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The Ultimoote Ford Lineup

here ya go

F/Awd:
Ka- city car 3 door, 5 door

Verviesta- subcompact 3 door, sedan, 5 door

Focus- compact coupe, 3 door, sedan, 5 door(C-Max)
Iosis- sport version, BAMR std. (I prefer 'Reflex')
?????- (Kuga) Cuv version (can't stand 'Kuga')

Fusion- mid sized coupe, sedan
Edge- Cuv version
S-Max/G-Max- monospace-van version

Taurus- Full sized sedan
Torino- sport version
Explorer- Cuv version, replaces TaurusX too
Flex- Extended size Cuv version
(sedans discontinued or only Mercury when the depression hits)

Rwd:
Cobra-GR1 short Mustang platform 2-seater
Mustang- 'nuf said
Thunderbird- FOUR seat sport-LUX flagship

T6 platform:
Ranger
SportTruck
Bronco short
Escape medium
Escape-XL long
Expedition (very)extended
Transit Connect

F-series-lite:
F-100
Transit

F-series:
F-150
Super Duty
Mega Duty
Giant Duty
SuperMegaGiant Duty - Extended
E-Series
 

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Re: The Ultimoote Ford Lineup

Mega Duty... WTF!

And nothing made in mexico
Yes Mega Duty...i split up the Super Duty trucks
Super Duty is the F250 and F350
Mega Duty is the F450 and F550

When Ford split the F-150 and SD apart in 1999, it was the biggest thig to happen to trucks in years

so by spliting the it again can make the two have different styles and can make the Mega Duty bigger in demensions as with the cab for better capability

And when i say 4door extended i mean a normal SuperCrew with an extended cab behind it so that you can get sitting up to 9...this would be huge!!!!
 

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I'll give it a whirl. (It's a novel but worth the read IMHO ;) )

First I'll start with engines. IMO Ford could and should use the current 3.5L/3.7L Duratec V6 architecture and upcoming 6.2L+ Boss V8 architecture to replace every engine in the North American lineup.

The volume piece here would be the Duratec based units, which Ford could use as a template for everything from small inline four cylinder motors to a 90-degree 5.0L V8 and even a 6.8L 60-degree V12 (FYI if you took the basic 3.7L Duratec V6 and morphed it into a 90-degree, V8 block it would yield 5.0L or 303ci) Basics like valvetrain gear, rods, bearings, ignition systems, and electronics could all be shared to great monetary advantage. The Duratec is also a relatively lightweight and surprisingly low cost design, advantages which would only expand if that goodness was spread over a broader lineup.

I would relegate the upcoming Boss/Hurricane V8 engines to limited run duty in super-cars under the Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury badges much like the newest AMG V8. (the big inch Boss engines would be supplanted in the lineup by smaller GTDi V8's based on the Duratec V6 design) Worldwide production would probably never exceed 40,000 units or so. The engine would be mildly retooled for this role, and the primary displacement would be 7.0 liters.

All naturally aspirated V8 engines regardless of architecture would be called Boss, while all naturally aspirated engines V6 and smaller would be called Duratec just as it is now. GTDi engines would be badged as Eco-boost, Twin-Force, or Cobra Jet according to size and application.

Now on to platforms. After giving this a lot of thought I think the wisest move for Ford in the US would be to go rear wheel drive across the board with a heavy emphasis on AWD availability. I can hear the moans now, but the reality is that there exists an obvious, pent up demand for the same that no brand is currently meeting. RWD offers better balance both stylistically and dynamically, gives the impression of a higher end model compared to a fewd counterpart, and if executed reasonably well Ford would likely succeed by virtue of being the only game in town. (Mercury can adopt the role of being the North America outlet for European and Australian offerings, the vast majority of which will be front wheel drive, while Lincoln reasserts itself as the swanky, art deco luxury brand it long was and always should have remained.)

I think Ford could retool an entire US lineup of Fords and Lincolns onto three basic platforms, one of which would be exclusive to the Lincoln marque. The first would be a low cost, small platform meant to underpin cars in B and C classes with a modern day, three box, C class 'Cortina' as the target car for the platform. Mac struts front with both SRA and IRS designs out back could underpin a huge variety of small cars spanning a wide range of prices.

The second platform would be designed to support vehicles starting on the big end of C class all the way up to full size models. The target cars for this platform would be the Mustang and a 2009 A4-sized (~185 inches long for reference) sedan. Mac strut IRS and 'Control-Blade' multi link rear could also underpin a huge variety of cars. Fords and entry/mid-level Lincolns would be based on this platform as well as any rwd product developed in Australia.

The third platform would be an aluminum intensive piece meant to underpin large Lincolns including a revived Continental in four foor, lwb four door, and two door guises as well as a new Navigator. It wont be included here because no Fords would be based upon it.


FORD CARS


B/C platform

Verve: 3-door or 5-door hatchback, SRA...~162" long
Hot hatch.....Fit and Versa competitor.
....1.4: 1.4L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V4 (~135hp) with 6M or 6A
....GT: 1.4L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V4 (~195hp) with 6M or 6A
....Terlingua: 1.8L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V4 (~245hp)

Cortina: 2-door or 4-door sedan, 5-door wagon, SRA or IRS..~175" long
Three box sedans and wagons.....Civic/Corolla competitors
....1.8: 1.8L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V4 (~155hp) with 6M or 6A
....GT: 1.8L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V4 (~225hp) with 6M or 6A
....Terlingua/SHO: 2.2L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V4 (~295hp) with 6M

C/D platform

Falcon: 4-door sedan, 5-door wagon....~185" long
On the small side of midsize sedans...think 2009 A4 size
....2.2: 2.2L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V4 (~180hp) with 6M or 6A
....2.2T: 2.2L, DOHC, GTDI, 90-degree V4 (~265hp) with 6M or 6A
....3.2: 3.2L, DOHC, DI, 60-degree V6 (~285hp) with 6M or 6A
....SHO: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~425hp) with 6M or 6A
*****Extremely Limited Production (5k units/yr or less worldwide)
....Thunderbolt: 7.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~625hp) with 6M

Galaxie: 2-door fastback, 2-door convertible, 4-door sedan....~195" long
On the small side of full size sedans....but looks truly full size/premium
....3.2: 3.2L, DOHC, DI, 60-degree V6 (~265hp) with 8A
....3.2T: 3.2L, DOHC, GTDi, 60-degree V6 (~325hp) with 8A
....5.0: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~385hp) with 8A
....SHO: 5.0L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~485hp) with 6M or 6A
*****Extremely Limited Production (5k units/yr or less worldwide)
....7.0L/427R: 7.0L, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~685hp) with 6M or 6A

Mustang: 2-door fastback, 2-door convertible....~180" long
Needs no intro....Boss 302 and above get a Boss/Shelby chassis including flared fenders, rear mounted tranny, and lightweight components
....Base: 3.2L, DOHC, DI, 60-degree V6 (~265hp) with 6M or 6A
....GT: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~405hp) with 6M or 6A
....Boss 302: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~425hp) with 6M or 6A
....GT350: 5.0L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~540hp) with 6M
*****Extremely Limited Production (5k units/yr or less worldwide)
....Boss 427: 7.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~625hp) with 6M
....GT500: 7.0L, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~685hp) with 6M

Thunderbird: 2-door retractable hardtop....~170" long
SWB Shelby/Boss Mustang with RHT and premium interior shared with upmarket Mustang models.
....Base: Boss 302: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~425hp) with 6M or 6A
....SC: 5.0L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~540hp) with 6M
*****Extremely Limited Production (5k units/yr or less worldwide)
....SCGT: 7.0L, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~685hp) with 6M

FORD CAR-BASED SUV

B/C PLATFORM

Maverick: 2-door roadster or wagon, 4-door wagon....~162" long
Like a baby Bronco, still retaining some off-road prowess...think Land Rover LRX
....1.4: 1.4L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V4 (~135hp) with 6M or 6A
....1.4T: 1.4L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V4 (~195hp) with 6M or 6A

Escape: 4-door wagon....~175" long
Escape should stop growing, the Cortina of SUV's.
....2.2: 2.2L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V4 (~180hp) with 6M or 6A
....2.2T: 2.2L, DOHC, GTDI, 90-degree V4 (~265hp) with 6A

C/D platform

Edge: 4-door wagon....~185" long
Think first gen BMW X5 and you have the size and approach
....2.2T: 2.2L, DOHC, GTDI, 90-degree V4 (~265hp) with 6A
....3.2T: 3.2L, DOHC, GTDi, 60-degree V6 (~325hp) with 6A

Explorer: 4-door wagon....~195" long
Think second gen X5
....3.2T: 3.2L, DOHC, GTDi, 60-degree V6 (~325hp) with 8A
....5.0: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~385hp) with 8A
....Tremor: 5.0L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~485hp) with 6M or 6A

CAR-BASED MPV

B/C platform

Del Rey: 5-door wagon....~170" long
Small minivan with performance bend and quirky 'retro' 60's 1-box styling.
....2.2: 2.2L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V4 (~180hp) with 6M or 6A
....2.2T: 2.2L, DOHC, GTDI, 90-degree V4 (~265hp) with 6M or 6A

C/D platform

Fairlane: 5-door wagon....~195" long
rwd/awd Flex replacement
....3.2T: 3.2L, DOHC, GTDi, 60-degree V6 (~325hp) with 8A
....5.0: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~385hp) with 8A
 

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Sounds good. I notice you didn't mention the use of any diesels. I think diesels should be included in some small cars and especially some of the SUVs. I think a Bronco with a diesel would be a great add to the line up. I notice you didn't mention muchon future trucks? Do you think Ford already has that section right?
 

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Sounds good. I notice you didn't mention the use of any diesels. I think diesels should be included in some small cars and especially some of the SUVs. I think a Bronco with a diesel would be a great add to the line up. I notice you didn't mention much on future trucks? Do you think Ford already has that section right?
I would change a lot there too, but I figured my post was long enough already. ;) Here goes though

The only engines not covered in my post above are the diesels which would be employed in Ford trucks. I think the current European produced diesels are pretty sound and see no need to rock the boat there as it applies to smaller diesel engines (4.4L V8 and below). Ford needs a new 'Super Duty' diesel and is apparently developing one, if possible I would enlist the aid of CAT in finishing this both for economies of scale and for the image boost the relationship would provide.

As for platforms, I think Ford has the F-Series more or less right with the exception of the continuation of separate cabs and interiors for the F150 and Super Duty models. The vast stylistic differences between the 90's model trucks placed Ford in a position where this made sense. At this juncture with the F150 coming back around to a more rugged look I think the separate cab philosophy likely just serves to increases costs. I do think both trucks should look distinctly different, but this can be accomplished by way of different front clips, beds, and even style lines on the doors...I see no reason for the cabs not to be basically the same once again.

I think Ford should replace the Ranger with a simple, rugged truck that emphasizes it's functional simplicity as being cool. The basic interior should be simple and effective, but not plain. For example, seats should be comfortable but easy to clean and durable. The entire interior should be water hose friendly even with CD/MP3 and SYNC installed. And to emphasize the trucks appeal to youth it should be inherently customizable...For example, you shouldn't have to opt for power everything and an automatic to get SYNC and a MP3 player

The truck itself should be very functional with live axles front and rear in 4wd versions. A new age Bronco should be based on the same platform improving both on road and off road dynamics. The Bronco should be 4wd only with live axles front and rear.....but three locking diffs should be standard, the track should be a little wider than the Ranger while wheelbase is a little shorter, engine options should include more powerful choices, and portal axles should be an option. Unlike Ranger which is a 'fundamentals' truck even in top level trim the Bronco should be available in full Eddie Bauer luxury regalia should the owner so choose..all while retaining 100% of what should be amazing off-road potential. For the sake of argument I'll call the Ranger/Bronco platform CP for compact pickup while I'll refer to the full size trucks as FP for full size pickup.

TRUCK BASED SUV

CP Platform

Bronco: 3-door wagon or roadster, 5-door wagon
The Mustang of the truck world and just as faithful to the original
....2.2 Twin Force: 2.2L, DOHC, GTDI, 90-degree V4 (~265hp) with 6M or 6A
....3.2: 3.2L, DOHC, DI, 60-degree V6 (~285hp) with 6M or 6A
....Boss 5.0: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~385hp) with 6M or 6A
....Powerstroke 3.8: 3.8L DOHC TDi 60-degree V6 (~205hp) with 6M of 6A

FP Platform

Expedition: 2-door or 5-door wagon
With the expansion of car based SUV models Expedition remains the only truck based SUV under the Ford badge outside of Bronco. In a return to a more rugged purpose Expedition returns to it's F150 roots and trades it's IRS for a SRA. The lineup also adds a two door model in homage to the full size Bronco's of old. A two door, 2wd Expedition with the Twin Force 5.0L would be something of a budget Lightning without the name.
....3.2 Twin Force: 3.2L, DOHC, GTDi, 60-degree V6 (~325hp) with 8A
....Boss 5.0: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~385hp) with 8A
....5.0 Twin Force: 5.0L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~485hp) with 6M or 6A
....Powerstroke 4.4: 4.4L, DOHC, TDi, 90-degree V8 (~325hp) with 6M or 6A

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CP Platform

Ranger: 2-door or 4-door pickup.
Simple, rugged, and extremely inexpensive
....2.2: 2.2L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V4 (~180hp) with 6M or 6A
....2.2 Twin Force: 2.2L, DOHC, GTDI, 90-degree V4 (~265hp) with 6M or 6A
....3.2: 3.2L, DOHC, DI, 60-degree V6 (~285hp) with 6M or 6A
....Powerstroke 2.2: 2.2L, DOHC, TDi, 90-degree V4 (~140hp) with 6M or 6A

FP Platform


F150: 2-door or 4-door pickup
Much as it is only fortified. yes, the Lightning is a hot rod turbo diesel in the same spirit as the TDi V12 Audi Q7
....3.2 Twin Force: 3.2L, DOHC, GTDi, 60-degree V6 (~325hp) with 8A
....Boss 5.0: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~385hp) with 8A
....5.0 Twin Force: 5.0L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~485hp) with 6M or 6A
....Powerstroke 4.4: 4.4L, DOHC, TDi, 90-degree V8 (~325hp) with 6M or 6A
*****Extremely limited production
....Lightning: 6.8L, DOHC, TDi, 90-degree V8 (~645hp) with 6M or 6A

Super Duty: 2-door or 4-door pickup
Again, much as it is only fortified. yes, the Lightning is a hot rod turbo diesel in the same spirit as the TDi V12 Audi Q7
....Boss 5.0: 5.0L, DOHC, DI, 90-degree V8 (~385hp) with 8A
....5.0 Twin Force: 5.0L, DOHC, GTDi, 90-degree V8 (~485hp) with 6M or 6A
....Powerstroke 4.4: 4.4L, DOHC, TDi, 90-degree V8 (~325hp) with 6M or 6A
....Powerstroke 6.8: 6.8L, DOHC, TDi, 90-degree V8 (~565hp) with 6M or 6A
 

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Sounds good, but a few things to consider.
-What you have listed as 3.2L Ecoboost would most likely be 3.5L Ecoboost
-Ranger might do better with a little more hp than 140 in a diesel
-Bronco would probably be better off with the 4.4L TD Lion. A lot of Bronco fans want v8s in the new Bronco (since old Bronco was v8)
-Also the new diesels coming out would be called Lion not powerstroke. The two new diesels for Ford's trucks will be the 4.4L TD v8 Lion and the 6.7L TD Scorpion (6.7l for superduty and up)
-Also instead of the 6.8L as top engine, it would most likely be the 6.2L Boss or one of its variants (5.8/6.2 TTDI/7.0)

Other than that, some small diesels in Ford's cars and maybe even a hybrid diesel would also make great additions.

Other thing to think about: Possible Hydraullic hybrid system that has been rumored to appear in an F150 eventually.
 

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Sounds good, but a few things to consider.-What you have listed as 3.2L Ecoboost would most likely be 3.5L Ecoboost
I know. I changed the displacement because I think a slightly smaller V6 would work just as well while getting better fuel economy.

ray101988 said:
-Ranger might do better with a little more hp than 140 in a diesel
Don't forget that turbo diesels are often low on hp and high on torque compared to gad engines of similar size. HP would only be 140 but torque would probably be 200lb-ft or so right of idle. Not a monster by any means but power should surpass every existing Ranger offering but the 4.0L. And of course rated fuel economy should be well over 30mpg

ray101988 said:
-Bronco would probably be better off with the 4.4L TD Lion. A lot of Bronco fans want v8s in the new Bronco (since old Bronco was v8)
I patterned the Bronco model after the original, even in terms of size which means it is relatively small and light. I do have a 5.0L DI V8 listed as an option

ray101988 said:
-Also the new diesels coming out would be called Lion not powerstroke. The two new diesels for Ford's trucks will be the 4.4L TD v8 Lion and the 6.7L TD Scorpion (6.7l for superduty and up)
Lion and Scorpion are, at this point, only codenames for those respective programs and like Cyclone those names probably aren't meant to survive the development process. I left the 4.4L pretty much as it is but rounded the 6.7L up to 6.8L because odd number displacements drive me crazy (yeah, yeah...I know)

ray101988 said:
-Also instead of the 6.8L as top engine, it would most likely be the 6.2L Boss or one of its variants (5.8/6.2 TTDI/7.0)
I didn't utilize the Boss/Hurricane V8's in the truck lineup using TTDi versions of a smaller V8 instead. In my lineup the only Boss/Hurricane based engines you are seeing are the 7.0L ultra high performance models. The 6.8L engine you are referring to is actually my take on the production version of the Scorpion turbo diesel. And that includes the Lightning which in this list is a 6.8L, 600+hp, AWD turbo-diesel V8.

ray101988 said:
Other than that, some small diesels in Ford's cars and maybe even a hybrid diesel would also make great additions.
I gave the diesel car and hybrid routes consideration, but I think Ford's current strategy of sticking to high mileage gas engines in cars is probably the right one. As for hybrids, no doubt any future lineup is going to contain the same, I just didn't include them because they are still relatively low volume and are typically just added to the base model car.

ray101988 said:
Other thing to think about: Possible Hydraullic hybrid system that has been rumored to appear in an F150 eventually.
Thanks for all the input.....this is interesting.
 

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35 distinct and different models for one brand. Wow.

You really want them to go out of business fast, don't you. Currently, counting the upcoming Fiesta, and knowing that the Taurus X goes away after the Flex comes out............. there are 12 (yes I counted the Superduty seperate from the F150). If you add in the Transit Connect, there will be 13. So, you are wanting Ford (the brand) to introduce another 22 distinct models.

Wow. ( I am guessing that you are planning on donating the additional 20-30 BILLION dollars it would take to do this???)

I realize that it is your dream lineup.............. however, even dreams have to have some basis in reality............... otherwise, they are only pipedreams.
 

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35 distinct and different models for one brand. Wow.

You really want them to go out of business fast, don't you. Currently, counting the upcoming Fiesta, and knowing that the Taurus X goes away after the Flex comes out............. there are 12 (yes I counted the Superduty seperate from the F150). If you add in the Transit Connect, there will be 13. So, you are wanting Ford (the brand) to introduce another 22 distinct models.

Wow. ( I am guessing that you are planning on donating the additional 20-30 BILLION dollars it would take to do this???)

I realize that it is your dream lineup.............. however, even dreams have to have some basis in reality............... otherwise, they are only pipedreams.
Did i ever say introduse them in one year? NO...but over a course of say 20 years they could.
 

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I understand that. However, no matter how they get there, 35 distinct models, for one brand, just isn't going to happen. The money to get them to that point, and the money that would be required to keep it all updated regularly, is just staggering.

No brand has anywhere close to that many models.
 

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Sorry after selling from a 4 line GM sShop for 13 years, all I can say is "More Cars Plaease"

Ford is sorely lacking in cars, If you need something bigger than a Focus, let me show you a Fusion, need a fancier car than a Fusion let me show you a Taurus. Oh Something smaller. Hummmm lets think "I could add a Sunroof."

Where GM you could move from Chebby, to Pontiac, to Olds, To Caddy, if need be.
 

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I understand that. However, no matter how they get there, 35 distinct models, for one brand, just isn't going to happen. The money to get them to that point, and the money that would be required to keep it all updated regularly, is just staggering.

No brand has anywhere close to that many models.
Yes but all these are on around 6 platforms, and the only way to make money in the future will be to compete in every catagory, remember the Chinese, Indian, and Italians are coming.
 

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Re: The Ultimoote Ford Lineup

Yes Mega Duty...i split up the Super Duty trucks
Super Duty is the F250 and F350
Mega Duty is the F450 and F550

When Ford split the F-150 and SD apart in 1999, it was the biggest thig to happen to trucks in years

so by spliting the it again can make the two have different styles and can make the Mega Duty bigger in demensions as with the cab for better capability

And when i say 4door extended i mean a normal SuperCrew with an extended cab behind it so that you can get sitting up to 9...this would be huge!!!!
Im up for the 4 door extended cab. Some people do that aftermarket.
 
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