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Letter: Chevrolet campaign had little to do with patriotism
April 29, 2004
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Charles Myslinsky
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American-made automobiles have been consistent in one field (that is, at least the Ford and General Motors cars I have owned): failure. Not just petty failure - true, outright, blatant mechanical problems that boggle the mind and a well-planned budget.

My 1994 Ford Taurus GL, which at the time had 77,000 miles, was subject to major engine damage due to a water pump failure. It also had a "feature" rarely advertised: rear brakes that caught fire not once or twice but four times during normal driving. In any case, I see no problem with GM running an ad campaign called "An American Revolution."

In "Chevrolet must not deceive consumers in ad campaign" (CT, April 28) the editorial board has clearly missed what the revolution is. While an attempt was made to somehow relate this to renewed patriotism, I believe GM had a much less complex goal.

The revolution itself is a return to style and quality. Before this "revolution" began, any GM car commercial I viewed was automatically dismissed as bogus, because the automobile featured was not emitting some type of smoke, appeared to run without mechanical failure and had a driver that was wearing a smile.

Now that the revolution has started, there has been a clear shift in what GM views as the new American car.

I personally welcome this change; aside from mechanical issues, I believe few would disagree Honda, Toyota, and Nissan have all created cars with unique styles, while American automakers were busy churning out cookie-cutter interior and exterior designs.

GM is demonstrating American automakers can manufacture more than just SUVs. The "revolution" extends through every product line, and with the planned increase in style and quality, GM will lead the fight in helping to win the American consumer back to America's car companies.


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Also see Chevrolet Must not Decieve Consumers

 

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people get way too worked up over advertising. if the vehicles interest you, go try them out and buy one. if not, don't. as long as they don't make claims that are outright lies ("all chevrolets are built in america", or "best quality vehicles anywhere") i don't care what they do to try and catch my interest. could you drive onto a speeding car carrier with an aveo? maybe not. but that ad is stuck in my head more than many other recent car commercials. people have to quit crying ("that ad hurt my patriotic feelings... boohoohoo") and start driving!
 

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He who driveth a car so that the water pump failure causes engine damage has forfeited a right to complain.

Damned idiot.

I am not sure of the age of this "expert" on automobiles, but one could conclude that the author is a bit wet behind the ears since he is writing in the college times. We do know he is a junior in information technology. That means he is a geek who probably cannot tell the difference between a spark plug and a tire valve stem.

I'm no fan of the bowtie, but Chevrolet has consistently invoked Patriotism in its ads. I fondly remember the U.S.A #1 campaigns with their red, white, and blue symbolism when they were offering Vegas, Monzas, and cars that would truly have biodegraded well before 70,000 miles.

I'm sure that this snot-nosed, pocket-protected geek can extend to all Fords or Chevys (Chevies?) the unfortunate experience of his Taurus that had fires in the rear brakes. One might also wonder if said geek knew that there was a parking brake release?

I'm a firm believer that in today's world, the real world outside of the ivory, liberal towers of academia, that domestic originated vehicles are NOW equal to rice burners and those cars made in Korea and other places oriental. Yes, there will be an unfortunate example of a Detroit born and bred vehicle that makes more lemon juice than one sat on by Anita Bryant. However, it is also without question that Toyota has made enough rice wine from several of their fine products as well. Maybe they don't make lemons in Japan, but they do make some fine fermented, stinking heaps that like to park themselves beside the road just as Dead as a Ford and just as konked out as a Chevy.

This geek really loses credibility when he offers this stinking pile of digital excrement, "few would disagree Honda, Toyota, and Nissan have all created cars with unique styles, while American automakers were busy churning out cookie-cutter interior and exterior designs." Someone needs to give this guy the phone number to ABC's newest show, "Extreme Makeover, Geeks brought to the real world". Anyone who can say with a straight face that anything Toyota has made in the last decade is unique (aside from the Prius) in design is only fooling himself. Talk about bland. Tupperware has more charisma. Honda has become an example of dullsville for more than a decade after it has killed its SI versions for periods at a time. Aside from the Element, Honda has nothing, absolutely nothing that could be asserted as uniquely styled in a MASS volume availability. Oh sure you COULD buy one of those convertible sports cars if you could AFFORD the second sticker addition that every Honda dealer ads as if it is their divine right to screw their potential customers.

Nissan, until the last several years, and Mazda, and Suzuki, and Suburu have made millions on selling the dullest looking cars on the planet. Nissan killed the Z. Mazda killed the RX-7 and Suburu offered us a WRX which is an answer awaiting a question. Their product lines were as dead as a doornail at PRECISELY the same time this sniveling little pile of an author noted of his one Taurus.

Unfortuately for the rest of us, this twirp is a future American voter who will no doubt be one of the putzs who will raise CAFE, make it illegal to own a car with a v-8 engine, and will make it a capital offense to own an SUV.

In conclusion, perhaps this geek needs to take a look at the latest J.D. Power results to realize that Detroit is now chewing on rice patties so fast and spitting them out that there will be no place for today's Tojo's to hide. Perhaps this author needs to also take lessons at a local community college on how to find the parking brake release!
 

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That guys has no clue. GM owns Nissan & VW on reliability & Quality and is gaining fast on Honda and Toyota.

This guy sounds like a real idiot, "I didn't take car of my 10 year old Ford and stuff broke so all American cars are junk", what a retard. Does he know that Hondas eat transmissions like a fat man at a buffet.
 

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77,000miles, thats typical of a car that was never maintained.

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Anybody who's engine goes to hell because of a water pump failure has no business writing about automobiles unless that failure was (literally) explosive. But then, he's in "business information technology", so who knows?

Mazda is the only Japanese company right now to make cars that stand out from the crowd - the Mazda3, Mazda6, and RX-8 are all uniquely styled. Now, I think the RX-8 is overdone, but the Mazda6 is a beautiful car.

The "cookie-cutter" era died in the early 90's with domestic cars, but the Japenese seem to be reviving it. As was mentioned about Toyota, other than the Prius and MR-s, none of their cars stand out from the other. For Honda, I couldn't tell apart an Accord from a Civic at a distance anymore.

This sounds more like somebody who beat the hell out of his cars and presumes it's the fault of the vehicles. If you treat your wife the way you treat your car, you'll get the same results. Oh sure, it's still cheaper to own the car, and you don't have to buy it nice things all the time, but you can't ignore its needs and pretend like everything is fine.
 

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It’s clear to see that this guy doesn’t know what he is writing about. How can some one sit there and honestly say the Honda and Toyota have “unique styles” and GM turns out cookie-cutter cars. Talk about calling the kettle black.

Honda and Toyota pride themselves in making what I would call plain-Jane cars. And the truth of it is, that’s what people are buying today. Look at the new Malibu (which I like) but there isn’t a lot of style in it but it’s supposed to be a very sound car, but you know what, that might be one reason it will sell.

My guess it this guy wrote this article just to steer things up. Were all commenting on his article? Would we be doing that if he simply said that the “revolution” was a good campaign and should work well for GM, probably not!
 

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Originally posted by Ming@Apr 30 2004, 02:34 PM
Letter: Chevrolet campaign had little to do with patriotism
April 29, 2004
collegiate times
Charles Myslinsky
junior, business information technology

American-made automobiles have been consistent in one field (that is, at least the Ford and General Motors cars I have owned): failure. Not just petty failure ? true, outright, blatant mechanical problems that boggle the mind and a well-planned budget.

My 1994 Ford Taurus GL, which at the time had 77,000 miles, was subject to major engine damage due to a water pump failure. It also had a "feature" rarely advertised: rear brakes that caught fire not once or twice but four times during normal driving. In any case, I see no problem with GM running an ad campaign called "An American Revolution."

In ?Chevrolet must not deceive consumers in ad campaign? (CT, April 28) the editorial board has clearly missed what the revolution is. While an attempt was made to somehow relate this to renewed patriotism, I believe GM had a much less complex goal.

The revolution itself is a return to style and quality. Before this "revolution" began, any GM car commercial I viewed was automatically dismissed as bogus, because the automobile featured was not emitting some type of smoke, appeared to run without mechanical failure and had a driver that was wearing a smile.

Now that the revolution has started, there has been a clear shift in what GM views as the new American car.

I personally welcome this change; aside from mechanical issues, I believe few would disagree Honda, Toyota, and Nissan have all created cars with unique styles, while American automakers were busy churning out cookie-cutter interior and exterior designs.

GM is demonstrating American automakers can manufacture more than just SUVs. The "revolution" extends through every product line, and with the planned increase in style and quality, GM will lead the fight in helping to win the American consumer back to America's car companies.


Full letter here

Also see Chevrolet Must not Decieve Consumers

I sadly had to buy a 1995 Taurus. The break problem is real. She also forgot to mention the recalls regarding fires with transmission sensores and cooling fans-all very real.

BUT...its a F#@$%ing FORD.

Because Ford sucks...it doesn't mean GM Does.

THey may both be American, but they are not the same.

Talk about sweeping generalities.

Much like Toyota's are reliable and Mitisubishi's suck.

While they are both japanese, Toyota is great and Mitsubishi is a p.o.s. ricemobile.
 

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he never did showed why the thought GM sucked. never said he owned one, nor driven one. i thought the more rugged, rwd, v8 even v6 cars of the 80's kicked ***!! fwd 80-90's products were another story. i see smoking mufflers on imports all the time, its not something limited to brand, thats just poor vehicle care. and yeah interior quality was far behind for a long time but did that make it unreliable or dangerous as he emplies. (for ford ok but not gm)

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15 years ago my wife and I were looking for a car. She had gotten rid of her crap Corolla that saw more maintenance than all of our cars since, combined! On our drives back and forth to varioius dealerships the number one car we saw crapped out on the side of the road was a Ford. It was easily 10 dead Fords for any type of other car. We bought an Intrepid. We kept it 7 years, no problems. Then sold it for a Montana mini-van.

Today, as I drive in to work, I see either beaters on the side of the road dead or Japanese cars. My wife has taken to noticing how often we've seen Honda's especially. It's really quite weird. It's especially true whenever the weather changes from hot to cold or dry to wet. Where I live, the weather's known for weird and wacky changes.

So who makes crap? I think, on any given purchase, you can get a lemon today. But it's not like the 70s or 80s where I think all cars, including the Japanese cars, were crap. It's just the Japanese cars sucked less. Through the 90s styling sucked generally. But now, we're seeing a rennaissance of styling. To me the leaders are GM, Mazda, and Nissan. Chrysler has some interesting stuff, but it's either too much or not enough of a good thing. BMW has lost its mind. And Mercedes, well, they've mostly had dull cars. Toyota and Honda just build, to my eye, plain and ugly (see: Civic/Corolla, Camry/Accord, RAV4/Element). The only cool Toyota is the Prius, but that's because of the technology not the overall car.

Regardless, when we went looking for a car recently we settled on a CTS. Why? Simple. The styling stood out and the quality is excellent. Nealry a year in, nothing, nada. Which is exactly the number of problems with the GTP, Montana, and Alero we had: none. As opposed to the Intrepid, one. Or the infamous Corolla, dozens upon dozens. And don't bring up Honda, we had a Civic in the house for a few months in the mid-90s. That was more than enough pain. It made the Corolla look good as the Corolla at least got my wife to work now and again!

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There is nothing more "cookie" cutter than a Honda or Toyota. The 97-01 style Camry had to be the blandest car ever produced. You drive one and you come away with a big yawn. As far as Nissan goes there current styling is borderline cartoonish. I still prefer american styling to Asian cars and even like South Korian
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Both those guys are f*'n idiots. One of those guys wouldn't buy a Chevy, no matter what they do. They are opinions, however.

As for "cookie-cutter interiors" I think most of the imports are cookie-cutter. Ooh, silver plastic, yea ! <_<

Sept. 11 had no bearing on the "Revolution" ad campaign. Sept. 11 and Chevy producing better procucts are exclusive events. If Sept. 11 hadn't happened I think Chevy would still have the campaign. They are not capitalizing on the patiotism from Sept 11, which by the way has vaporized.

Actually, I think Chevy producing kick-a$$ products can help to bring back more patriotism.

Perceptions are still a large component. Most people are like, "ooh, I don't wanna buy a Chevy because of what people will think".

It's more sexy to drive an import.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the future. I think many Americans still have their head so far up their a$$es...

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Originally posted by ebacic@Apr 30 2004, 01:22 PM

So who makes crap? I think, on any given purchase, you can get a lemon today. But it's not like the 70s or 80s where I think all cars, including the Japanese cars, were crap.
slow down a minute. 80's g-body's kicked ***!!!
 

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Originally posted by laserwizard@Apr 30 2004, 03:53 PM
...Nissan killed the Z. Mazda killed the RX-7 ....
Actually high prices and poor sales killed both of these cars. Both continued to sell in Japan after their respective companies stopped selling these cars in North America.
You are correct however Japanese companies ratherly have led with styling. There are exceptions.
 

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What a moron.

It's reading articles like that from morons who have no conception of reality and are living in their little wavy blue line Honda dealership world that are the reason American cars don't sell. He'll probably go on to write for one of America's ****ty auto magazines.

Honda's have about as much style as what I flushed down the toilet this morning. The Civic is a TERRIBLE looking car. It looks bad from every angle. The back just drops off, the sides look square and the mold lines from the side to the trunk aren't blended at all. Guess what, they aren't any more reliable than any American car on the road either. When the water pump dies in a damn Civic, its not like its not gonna drop if you don't fix it. If you take care of your cars they will last you. My family has always owned American cars, and kept them until at least, if not well beyond 150,000 miles.

I should send this moron an email.
 

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Now that I think of it, my parents have had 3 STS's in a row since 95 (each for a 3 year lease) and I don't recall a single problem with them ever aside from some quality issues in the interior (some things rattle, loose, etc)

But never, NEVER, have we had to take our beloved Cadillac to the dealership for anything more than an oil change and tune up.
 

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Originally posted by laserwizard@Apr 30 2004, 10:53 AM
I am not sure of the age of this "expert" on automobiles, but one could conclude that the author is a bit wet behind the ears since he is writing in the college times. We do know he is a junior in information technology. That means he is a geek who probably cannot tell the difference between a spark plug and a tire valve stem.
LOL! I second that 100%.

This guy obviously should keep his big mouth shut when it comes to cars.
 

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But: there's a little point on which I kinda agree with him. Even if quality is there (which I believe is true, except maybe for all those Korean Chevies), I think styling/looks is going to hurt GM big time in the long run. Actual quality isn't everything, there's also perceived quality, and the new wave of Wal-Mart-looking GM products isn't going to cut it vs Toyota and Honda, and even Ford, no matter how good they really are under the skin. Products that don't scream "I'm cheap" are really needed. Hopefully that's going to change. GM's future concepts are generally pointing to a good direction.

I kinda agree with him on that particular point as far as GM is concerned.
 
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