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International Strategy and Investment (ISI) told investors that Tesla has a major advantage over the competition in that it will not face significant rising costs as global CO2 emissions regulations become ever more onerous. It believes Tesla to have a “tangible lead” in both product and technology and that battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are likely to be the “optimum solution as original equipment manufacturers pursue tailpipe emission-free cars” rather than cars with hydrogen fuel cells.



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/tesla-aims-build-500000-cars-year


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Tesla are doing well even in places like Europe, yep hybrid sales like Prius have fallen down the sales charts in both the US, Europe and never took off in China, as the Chinese boycott now absolutely hate Toyota and never ever liked the Prius one little bit anyway, in the same way Ford and GM have in Russia sales have plummeted over Obama's border dispute in the Ukraine. Trade wars wreak havoc for decades after they have finished, there are no winners the elephants in those areas never forget.

Sure Tesla will do well better in the future, but the upper end of the market is still very limited by incomes they will hit a sales limiting income brick wall, doing the mass market EV won't work as the prices is still way off the ability of income to match buyers ability to pay.

So public transport & and ultra green cycling will become more & more popular with the youth of today that don't like cars they see them as dead money, are getting up to there eyeballs in debt just trying to educate themselves on expensive loans, they will become the old wrinkies of the future that won't have the desire to buy any type of cars, or have the income to match mass produced EV car markets of the future.

Tesla will be a winner with a RWD fun to drive car and will survive when peak oil curve hits that downhill roller coaster ride, but l don't expect the masses will have the urge to get themselves up to they eyeballs in debt in Greece to rush out and buy an expensive EV who earn on average $7,000 a year with bills to pay whose government are sitting on a huge debt mountain mortgaged for the next 300 years for that can thats been kicked down the road, that still has to be paid back by future generations not born yet.

Cash rich companies are sitting on a mountain load of cash (Apple $160 billions) in the US, EU, globally, so Tesla for the bosses & commercial EV's is where the money is to be made in the future, their employees are skint with falling disposable incomes never get a pay rise thats remotely anywhere near inflation.


100 MPG Commercial vehicles is where the BIG money will be made in the future.

Who just pulled the plug on he Ampera a car for the masses that the masses cannot afford in the EU?
 

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I'll believe it when I see it.
Still get the feeling that half the stuff Tesla says is said solely to keep the stock price prop up. I mean I'm still rooting for them But I really think they only have a year or two of peoples goodwill left before they really have to break into the mainstream in a big way (mainstream being selling tens of thousands of cars a month). No matter how good the reviews are you can't sell solely to rich EVfanatics and hardcore greenys forever. Just as you can't attempt to hide (or at least thinly veil) how much money you've actually been making doing that forever either. Someone going to have to pay for that five billion dollar factory (which honestly seems like way overkill).

I look forward to watching the Tesla saga unfold. At this point it's almost guaranteed that in ten or fifteen years very interesting autobiographies are going to be written about Musk and this time period. Lets just hope Telsa is still around when it all happens.
 

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In any one geographic region/area, Tesla sales are limited by the rollout of EV recharging points which varies considerably.

The fact that it's premium-priced means that only the wealthier sections of any region/area could consider buying one, the very section that is less concerned about fuel costs or emissions - it's very much a conscience-led buying decision and there's no sign of that becaming more widespread among the car-buying public.
 

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Home of the Nissan Leaf production line in Europe.

Sunderland News

ELECTRIC CAR CHARGING POINTS SIT UNUSED ACROSS SUNDERLAND

ELECTRIC car charging points are sitting empty across Sunderland with some used just twice in the past year.

Figures obtained by the Echo today reveal many of the city’s charging zones, costing thousands to install, have barely been used since going “live” in a blaze of publicity.

One point at a car park in Seaburn has been used just twice since last July.

Another charger, on the first floor of Sunderland City Council’s civic centre car park, has also only been used on two occasions, although council bosses described it as “faulty”.

Sunderland has put itself at the forefront of the electric car “revolution” with Nissan in Washington, supported by Prime Minster David Cameron, ploughing millions into the building the Leaf.

At the time of the switch-on across the city in February 2009, Sunderland City Council leader Paul Watson said: “We have the charging points, we have the cars, it is all systems go.”

Ten of the 30 charging points in council-owned car parks across Wearside have been used less than 10 times in the past 12 months; 17 less than 20 times, while only five have been used more than 50 times.

The top charging point, by some considerable way, is on the second floor of Sunniside car park in the city centre.

It has been used 849 times. But this is barely a drop in the ocean according to automotive industry expert professor Garel Rhys.

He said: “Even the top figure of 849 isn’t that much.

“The figures should be a wake-up call that the cost of the vehicles is going to have to come down considerably before people start buying them.

“Cost is the key. While electric cars like the Leaf remain highly priced, they will not be able to compete against an already excellent product in the petrol and diesel vehicle.

“Everyone committed to electric cars must be disappointed with their take up across the UK and Europe. The cost is eye-watering, even with the Government subsidy.”

Earlier this year, Nissan attempted to attract more Leaf customers by changing the pricing structure on the vehicles.

Cars now bought with leased batteries mean buyers can get behind the wheel of an entry-level Leaf for £15,990 – £6,000 less than previously.

But Mr Rhys thinks this will still not attract customers. He said: “Even with all the subsidies, most people are not going to buy them while they can buy a petrol or diesel car cheaper.” Figures obtained by the Echo reveal six of the city’s 30 charging points have either been closed of reported faulty at some point during the past two years.

In total, between July last year and the end of this July, the 50 charging points, which includes council and those privately operated, were used for more than 1,600 charging transactions.

Councillor James Blackburn, from Sunderland City Council, said: “It is anticipated that the number being used will grow as more people change to electric cars, particularly with Nissan employees now having Leaf cars and Nissan building these cars.

“In Sunderland, 99 per cent of all residential, industrial and retail developments within the city boundary are within a 1.5mile radius of a charging point with 90 per cent being within one mile.

“In addition, four charging points have been installed at two council-managed facilities which are business and workplace locations developed to meet the needs of technology and software-based companies, at the Evolve at Rainton Bridge South, and the Sunderland Software Centre at Tavistock Place. “The Government grant funded programme has now ended and the North East is now considered to be the most Electric Vehicle connected charging region in the UK.

“As a region, the North East is ready for the uptake of electric vehicles.”
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Sunderlands hardworking car assemblers are the canary down the mine test.

Is it not the case that those who makes the EV's cars in the real world, can't afford to buy them?
 

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In any one geographic region/area, Tesla sales are limited by the rollout of EV recharging points which varies considerably.

The fact that it's premium-priced means that only the wealthier sections of any region/area could consider buying one, the very section that is less concerned about fuel costs or emissions - it's very much a conscience-led buying decision and there's no sign of that becaming more widespread among the car-buying public.
They are removing charging points in London as nobody ever uses them, 75% of the charging points are never used, they are mainly located outside overpaid do gooders government buildings that don't live or work in the "real world", who are very good at spending hard earned taxpayers money, millions of Londoners tax payers money down the drain, that can't afford expensive electric cars.
 

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They are removing charging points in London as nobody ever uses them, 75% of the charging points are never used, they are mainly located outsider overpaid do gooders government buildings that are good at spending taxpayers money, millions of Londoners tax payers money down the drain, that can't afford expensive electric cars.
The grant to install "free" charging points comes from UK central government, not local government.

I get pigged off at UK motorway service areas where half the disabled parking spaces have been converted to charge points - but they're always empty, meaning that those of us with disabilities have to park back in the main car park and walk much further to the facilities.
 

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The grant to install "free" charging points comes from UK central government, not local government.

I get pigged off at UK motorway service areas where half the disabled parking spaces have been converted to charge points - but they're always empty, meaning that those of us with disabilities have to park back in the main car park and walk much further to the facilities.
The nasty swines Rupert! can't you remove the SANTA F from your tailgate nobody will ever know, just cut an old 3-pin plug & some cable off the the wifes hairdryer leave dangling out the front. 69.3% of electricity is still generated with fossil fuels in the US.
 

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I still think the Volt concept is better. GM should continue to improve it (as they are doing) and make a sedan version for Caddy. How about a next generation Volt version of the ATS?
 

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GM really has the lead in EV technologies. Its the only established automotive company that has for the last 9 years or so has concentrated on developing in house technologies that rely on its own patents to build electric and non electric capacity.

I hope they can bring to bear this know-how in more products, especially in Buick and Cadillac.

The problem with GM has always been transforming its innovations into commercial success. They really need a more dynamic marketing team that runs the PR department like a political campaign. (See Ford). Old school marketing tactics just are not working, despite their having aurguably the most technologically advanced vehicles on the market.
 

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I hope the tesla 3 sedan has similar looks and performance of the tesla S. (Just smaller)

Zero to sixty in 3.2 seconds is an under 50 grand ATS competitor I'd buy as the family transport.
 
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