UGH!!! Talk about a nomenclature problem!!
9-5X "should" signifiy a 9-5 sedan/wagon with AWD!!!
DAMMIT!!! Call it the 9-4X!! 9-4 for the regula FWD version. 9-4X for the AWD version.

Then again GM can't get Cadillac's nomenclature right either.
An AWD STS is STS4.
An AWD SRX is SRX AWD.
Get it straight GM!!!!

So GM Thetas will be Equinox, VUE, BRX, and "9-5X." Woooooonderful.

 

so the GM american platform will have a honda engine in one variant, a chinese built one in another, some will be badged as american products, and some as sweedish and built in korea.... i think this is the ultimate global platform...

 

Actually it does not look that bad, it is based on the Chevrolet S3X posted her before!

 

Does uno persono want to crop the front :-D

 

Actually according to AMS
AMS

The successors of 9-3 (2009) and 9-5 (2007/8) are placed on the next Epsilon platform,
In order to differentiate 9-3 and 9-5 more strongly from each other, the large Saab receives a longer wheel base and a broader trace, which can be managed with the flexible Epsilon ii-platform relatively simply. In addition there is to be the 9-5 only with a combination-like Crossover body. Nevertheless: Also all-wheel drive is with all new Saab possible, however no V8 -, but at the most V6-Motoren.

So an AWD Epsilon II 9-5 Crossover

As the third model a SUV is presented, which is based on a mixing platform. GM calls it Theta plus and/or Theta Epsilon. It is mixes from construction units the American-Korean sport utilities Chevrolet S3 X and Equinox, among which also the OPEL frontera successor ranks, and who new Vectra platform. The Saab as well as a SUV von Cadillac is manufactured - both as BMW X3-Konkurrenten.

And a Crossover SUV on a new Architecture, Shared with the Cadillac (Brx/Btx?) Theta Plus/Theta Epsilon ,which may be Called "ETA" (rumor) I'm Guessing they will be Bult in Trollhattan when the 9-3 moves to Russelsheim.

 

I guess my only issue wiht 9-5 moving onto Epsilon II is if it's going to be large enough to provide sufficient interior room!!!

Taking a look at any of the extended wheelbase Epsilons now, the rear leg room is quite a joke!

I'm 6'3", and I can sit in the rear seat of a 9-5 comfortably with about 2" to spare, with the front seat set all the way back. G6 doesn't even come close. Furthermore, I have about 2" of extra shroulder room. Will Epsilon II be wider???

I certainly hope so.

 

um... could be that the seat in the g6 goes back farther...

i'm 6'1, and with the seat anywhere near where i usually put it (and it'll go back a lot farther) i can sit in the backseat with room to spare.

 

S-hipped
A-ssembled
A-t
B-upyong

 

GM needs to learn how to use alpha numeric names without screwing them up.

 

Here we go again. The same GM vehicle will be sold by four different divisions now. Talk about overlap. GM's stock value was crushed by Wall Street this morning to one step above junk status. This car company just does not get it. GM YOUR NOT FOOLING ANYONE. This vehicle is a CHEVY and no one is going to buy an overpriced CHEVY with a Saab grill on it, just like no one is buying a 9-2 SUBARU with a Saab grill on it. Please sell Saab to Renault before you totally destroy the brand.

 

this will give Saab purists every reason to run for the hills. now we have a Saab built in Japan, one in the U.S., and perhaps one in Korea? then the Saabs that are actually built in Sweden are going to be switched over to a plant in Germany. Saab is no longer Saab, it's just another screwed up division of General Motors. if GM goes under, it's because they're a bunch of idiots that have no idea how to run a car company. you can't have the same guy that sells Corn Flakes come in and decide what kinds of cars people want to buy. i thought GM was on the upswing when Bob Lutz showed up, but boy was i wrong. what a freaking shame.

 

I hate to say this, but my hopes for Saab aren't very good. I hope GM doesn't make this Saab a remasked Torrent/Equinox. And I sure hope that the 3.4-liter V6 won't make it as its sole powertrain. If GM must build a Theta Saab in Korea, lets hope they at least have a reasonably good powertrain to start.

 

Here we go again. The same GM vehicle will be sold by four different divisions now. Talk about overlap. GM's stock value was crushed by Wall Street this morning to one step above junk status. This car company just does not get it. GM YOUR NOT FOOLING ANYONE. This vehicle is a CHEVY and no one is going to buy an overpriced CHEVY with a Saab grill on it, just like no one is buying a 9-2 SUBARU with a Saab grill on it. Please sell Saab to Renault before you totally destroy the brand.

I guess you must be a financial analyst to suggest that GM's "STOCK" value was moved to "one step above junk status."

"Here we go Again."
Another fool that doesn't know what in the hell they are talking about all meanwhile
spreading panic and paranoia.

STOCKS DON'T GET RATED AS JUNK, aaa, AAA...ETC...THOSE THINGS ARE CALLED BONDS. THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

QUICK QUESTION...How in the hell does an uncomfirmed rumor of a Korean built SAAB affect Wall Street today???

And as an aside---

**************** Renault
and
**************** France while you're at it!

 

GM stock was devalued this morning. It's in the news. It has nothing to do with Saab's being made in Korea. It's because the company employs to many idiots who build cars no one wants.

 

they should rename the Theta platfrom the UN platform.

 

GM stock was devalued this morning. It's in the news. It has nothing to do with Saab's being made in Korea. It's because the company employs to many idiots who build cars no one wants.

No it wasn't devalued. Its value declined. There is a difference.

Regardless, it has not been moved to junk status as you put it...because that does not exist for stocks. So once again...know what you're talking about. I think there's enough misinformation out there already. So keep yours to yourself.

And btw...

*************** France

And

**************** Renault too!

 

Further strengthening Saab's disintegration...a Korean-built Saab, what are they thinking!?!

 

Further strengthening Saab's disintegration...a Korean-built Saab, what are they thinking!?!

If this happened it would be the absolute death of Saab... it'd be like making a Buick or entry-level Caddy there. Makes no sense to me! This would make Cimmaron look like a Bentley!

 

Further strengthening Saab's disintegration...a Korean-built Saab, what are they thinking!?!

If this happened it would be the absolute death of Saab... it'd be like making a Buick or entry-level Caddy there. Makes no sense to me! This would make Cimmaron look like a Bentley!

There is a 5 Series built in China, a 3 Series built in South Africa, a MB E class built in South Africa, and ML class built in the US.
VW Jettas are built in Mexico, and they are supposed to be hip!

What is the Big deal about Saab being built in Korea??

As long as its engineered by Swedish engineers and retains authentic Saabish saabness... whatever that means....

Is this not a Saab? Who would mistake it for a Chevy?

I am going to get one, retain those same rims and put widder tires for my wife.. its our next lease...
YR 2007

The only mistake GM did on this saab is not giving it a Turbo engine

 

Nobody I know in Europe wants any sort of Saab SUV, this is totally for crazy USA market.

I have read academic dissertation about metal quality in China and why Jap cars are struggling with rust. So I'm bit worried about materials used...

It matters where its made.
Like latest Audi interview about chance of making cars in the USA, they hinted that know&how of subcontractors is too weak, it would take too many years to work necessary parts up to European level.

But in the end, I dont give a rat's ass. Just like Porsche 911 buyers dont care about Cayenne.

Saab makes 9-3 and 9-5 in Europe(and soon one smaller). That's all I care about, core products, for me.
If they need to sell buckets and plastic foil to fund them, thats fine with me.
And I'm not saying at this Korean Saab would be crappy, could be quite fine product, but not for me.

 

If this happened it would be the absolute death of Saab... it'd be like making a Buick or entry-level Caddy there. Makes no sense to me! This would make Cimmaron look like a Bentley!

Well.... GM is making Buicks in China and is building a Cadillac plant over there. What's your point.

GM is trying to leverage its global resources right now. If Saab have to be made in Germany or in Korea or in Sweden, then so be it. Hummers are going ot be built in So. Africa. Aveos are made in Korea. 9-2Xs are made in Japan. It does take away from some of the national identity of the car, but so long as the car is solid, I don't see a problem with it.

Some Jaguars are no longer made in England either, ya know.

 

As long as they differentiate that Theta Saab, then I think it'll do fairly well. The 9-2X is underrated. Sure, it's a Subaru chassis and powertrain, but the sheetmetal, interior, and tuning are all Saab. Same with the new 9-7X. Sure, it's a Chevy Trailblazer, but it's still sheetmetaled (though only partially), styled, and tuned like a Saab.

I certainly hope this Saab does better than the 9-2X.

And I agree....lose the silly 9-5X name. That sounds way too much like an AWD 9-5 sedan to me. 9-6X would've been better.

 

you can't have the same guy that sells Corn Flakes come in and decide what kinds of cars people want to buy.

:rotf: x 5,624,544,859,783,144,387

:fall: So true.

So sad.

 

It matters where its made.

Agreed

Like latest Audi interview about chance of making cars in the USA, they hinted that know&how of subcontractors is too weak, it would take too many years to work necessary parts up to European level.

Ah, the old European level that gives BMW those great main bearings. The same European standard that is making my friend take his Audi S4 to the dealer continuously for transmission troubles. The same level of quality that has hurt Mercedes' image.

I think they'd have to work down to the European level.

To add, they are going to be building Hummer H2s in South Africa, so this Korean Saab isn't that far-fetched, unfortunately.

 

Actually look for the 9-3 and 9-5 to gain some interior room in the next models!



Mark
SAAB of Memphis


btw superbad75 Scott PAtterson, who own's www.saabnet.com drives a 9-2x! ( and a Sonett ! )