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So... CR compares Jeeps to a Camry Hybrid.....

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To ensure we end the new year with reality firmly in-mind that CR does not reflect reality, I present this article.


Best line from the article:

The Jeep, however, is among the nation's most beloved vehicles, especially by its owners. Nevertheless, Consumer Reports calls it "hard-riding, ponderous, uncomfortable, and unreliable." It costs 77 cents a mile to operate, compared with 52 cents for the top-rated Toyota Camry Hybrid.

The value index rates cars based on road tests, predicted reliability and five-year ownership costs.
Full article can be found here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/12/24/jeep-consumer-reports-worst-car-value/20837951/
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In fairness to CR, it appears they're referring to popular cars.

Wrangler and Camry hybrid are probably two very popular vehicles.
I dont care, why even Mention the Wrangler with Cars? why not with other SUV's?
I dunno. You could read the article...

Here are the worst vehicles by category:

•Subcompact: Fiat 500C Pop (MT)

•Compact: Fiat 500L Easy

•Luxury Compact Car: Mercedes-Benz CLA250

•Luxury Midsized/Large Car: Mercedes-Benz S550 (AWD)

•Large Car: Ford Taurus Limited (3.5, V-6)

•Sports Cars/Convertible: Infiniti Q60 convertible

(base)

•Midsized Car: Nissan Altima 3.5 SL (V-6)

•Wagons (AWD): Honda Crosstour EX-L (V-6)

•Small SUV: Jeep Cherokee Latitude (4-cyl.)

•Midsized SUV: Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara

•Large SUVs: GMC Yukon SLT

•Luxury Compact SUV: Cadillac SRX Luxury

•Luxury Midsized/Large SUV: Mercedes-Benz GL350 BlueTec

•Pickup Truck: Toyota Tacoma (V-6)

•Minivan: Chrysler Town & Country Touring L


NUMBER ONE in list of worst car values.
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It is only 25 cents per mile cheaper to own and operate a Camry Hybrid versus a Wrangler? How is it even possible that the gap is that small?
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The worst vehicles sold , are to me , the ones that manufacturers don't sell enough quantities of , to be worthy of production . Does that make them defective/substandard designs , sometimes yes , but just as often because the manufacturer has changed plans/directions and doesn't want to refine , update and market the product properly...just let it die . One example , to me , is about the best car GM has ever sold to date , the 2014 Chevy SS . It is beloved by owners , see the several forums devoted to the vehicle . It is also the only GM vehicle that I can recall that has received so many 5 Star ratings from testers and magazines . The main SS forum site has a woman staff assistant who monitors the site and its readers inquiries . The one persistent question often asked of her is " WHEN WILL THEY SHIP MY CAR AND WHEN WILL IT ARRIVE IN AMERICA ? Frankly speaking , I think they ship them only when there is enough ordered to justify the assembly line run and SHIP the product economically . This great product is half a world away , who else in the world does this , what other company would want to sell police vehicles from a plant half a world away and then want customers to wait while enough orders are generated to economically ship said vehicles , thousands of miles to its destination ?
Will this vehicle die , most likely yes , probably a new sleek design 2016 Malibu on a longer wheelbase will replace this NASCAR CHEVY SS design . So is the 2014 and 2015 Chevy , now with manual shift , one of the worst cars produced ? It could well be argued as GM has only sold a couple of thousand , so far , and for the bean counters , a resounding yes and long overdue ! For owners of the cars , some will rejoice as the cars become a collector gem , but for others , if the new NASCAR entry is a big hit , those owners may see a rapid decline of resale value and become quite upset and hold GM accountable . So perhaps the answer to the Worst Vehicle is that it can't be defined simply , for IT IS APPARENT THAT emotions and desires sometimes confuse and side rail logical decisions based on market segments , demographics and marketplace competition . The aftermath of this confusion , though ,can see that some potentially great vehicles never get to be explore their potential ,,,,,, c'est la vie !
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It is only 25 cents per mile cheaper to own and operate a Camry Hybrid versus a Wrangler? How is it even possible that the gap is that small?
That 25 cents is 48% higher cost of ownership per mile. Sounds like a lot to me.
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It is only 25 cents per mile cheaper to own and operate a Camry Hybrid versus a Wrangler? How is it even possible that the gap is that small?
It's primarily because Wrangler, as a niche product, has very high resale value. This results in relatively low depreciation expense.
To ensure we end the new year with reality firmly in-mind that CR does not reflect reality, I present this article.
On the contrary, the reality is exactly what CR mentioned in its February 2014 article about best automotive values: consumers who don't require top notch off-road capabilities from their motor vehicle are best served choosing something other than a Jeep Wrangler.
CR considers vehicles simply as appliances. Beyond that, they are utterly clueless.
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CR is infatuated with the Camry hybrid because it is a numbers car. It's like that proverbial child that keeps picking up the same doll every time something doesn't go it's way. The Camry hybrid is CR's security blanket defacto go to car whenever it's best list comes up. The funny thing is most other magazines and customers I have spoke to about them do not hold them in nearly as much regard as CR.
That 25 cents is 48% higher cost of ownership per mile. Sounds like a lot to me.
Yeah, that is a very significant figure. Providing their data are accurate.

It appears they do not calculate depreciation, but the article is typically sketchy and incomplete so it's hard to tell.

15,000 miles @ $0.77 and $0.52 per mile = $11,550 vs. $7800, a $3750 difference.
Times five years makes that $18,750. You could buy a Yaris for that!!
CR considers vehicles simply as appliances. Beyond that, they are utterly clueless.
by CR's own mandate they have to treat them as appliances and so does any OTHER consumer grade testing facility because 90% of the car buying public are NOT well served by the Wranglers benefits but are impacted by its short comings

CR is infatuated with the Camry hybrid because it is a numbers car. It's like that proverbial child that keeps picking up the same doll every time something doesn't go it's way. The Camry hybrid is CR's security blanket defacto go to car whenever it's best list comes up. The funny thing is most other magazines and customers I have spoke to about them do not hold them in nearly as much regard as CR.
as a appliance and a car bought for the "normal" job a car is used for the Camry Hybrid is a logical top pick and as "tastes" can not be quantified reliably can NOT be graded and most mags like C&D end up weighing reviewer opinion highly
IMHO I would recommend the VOLT OR Prius over the Camry if FE/TCO is a major "driver" for the purchase
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