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Officially <em>"a future Cadillac model derived from Chevy Cruze is completely false,"</em> those are words David Caldwell, Cadillac's Communications Manager, sent our way last night.

Fine.

Although interestingly, the rebuttals Cadillac sent to us, <em><a href="http://jalopnik.com/cadillac-is-planning-a-hatchback-based-on-the-chevy-cru-1773391429" target="_blank">Jalopnik</a></em> and <em><a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/27/cadillac-small-sedan-chevy-cruze-delta-platform/" target="_blank">Autoblog</a>, </em>all use the same language--*<em>there will not be a Cadillac derived from the Chevy Cruze--</em>but no one said there won't be a Cadillac based on the platform architecture D2XX.

As you may know, the Chevrolet Cruze is but one derivative of D2XX, other notables include the Opel Astra K hatchback and the Buick Envision SUV.



<h3><strong>So, D2XX Sedan?</strong></h3>
We know how difficult, short of impossible it is to <a href="http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/detroit-auto-show/news/a27870/cadillac-smaller-rwd-sedan/" target="_blank">shorten Alpha</a> anymore than already, and still function as a viable sedan- see the rear seats of both ATS and Camaro for further details.

We also know that small rear-wheel-drive projects from any of the Generals arsenal of brands is met with extreme prejudice on the basis of cost and consumer interest. Small rear-wheel-drive cars are an enthusiasts wet dream, but year over year their market performance continues to decline. The Code 130R program was stillborn, as Opel's GT Concept looks to be.

And if you wander into the wild, wild marketplace hope for small rear-wheel-drive dwindles even further. Audi's A3 is front-wheel-drive with AWD available and Mercedes CLA follows the same playbook.

The lone holdout is BMW's 2 Series Coupe, which can offer rear-wheel-drive because BMW doesn't have to worry about packaging it as a sedan. The 2 Series Coupe is <a href="http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/01/07/rumor-major-changes-coming-to-2-series-lineup-front-wheel-drive-and-new-bodystyles/" target="_blank">expected to be joined by an arsenal of 2 Series derivatives</a> based on the <a href="http://BMW_UKL_platform" target="_blank">UKL front wheel drive architecture</a>- currently under the Minis.

Fittingly, news broke this morning that <a href="http://www.carscoops.com/2016/04/acura-is-no1-luxury-brand-among.html" target="_blank">Acura is the most popular brand with millennial buyers</a>, specifically the Acura ILX has captured the most buyers in the 18-34 demo over the last four years. Acura is doing this with FWD based Honda platforms, obviously with enough differentiation to interest the fickle demographic.

Uwe Ellinghaus said early this month that Cadillac wants to be the <a href="http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/04/05/can-cadillac-be-millennials-car-choice.html" target="_blank">'hottest car brand'</a>*to millennials, Ellinghaus continued "Millennials are far more interested in fashion, design, architecture and also lifestyle than previous generations of luxury car buyers” the actual nuts and bolts of this car thing are becoming increasingly irrelevant to buyers in the segment.

If Cadillac wants to chase the millennial demographic they need to produce product for them, and sorry, no ultra-lux flagship is attainable for millennials, Cadillac needs the demo in their cars not just aspiring to their cars. But I digress.



<h3><strong>How About a D2XX CUV?</strong></h3>
The hatch designation in the program code may not necessarily indicate a true hatchback. because of the increasingly blurred line between hatchbacks and compact CUVs it's possible the Caddy based on D2XX is actually the rumored XT1 small crossover. For context, the Mercedes small crossover, the GLA, is technically <a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/10/narcissism-small-differences-part-2/" target="_blank">considered a hatchback in certain configurations</a>.

The Buick Envision is already underpinned by D2XX, and just yesterday the new D2XX Equinox was spied.

It would square with Caddy's game of semantics, no Cadillac based on the Cruze, of course not-- that would draw unfavorable comparisons-- but a high rider based on D2XX is relatively insulated against outrage, and would allow Cadillac to keep it's promise of only rear-wheel-drive sedans.



<h3><strong>Now For Something a Little Crazy...</strong></h3>
Could Cadillac be exploring a derivative of the new Volt?

The Volt not only rides on D2XX but is also technically a liftback or hatchback. Although considering the debacle that was the ELR I would imagine Caddy is extremely weary of this avenue.

So I concede, there will be no Cadillac derived from the Chevrolet Cruze, but I strongly believe-- and so do my sources- that a Cadillac is coming that will ride on the Delta platform architecture...
 

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Yeah, might be D2XX based, not techniqually Cruze based but that is how it will be described.
Yea it will be. The original article even stated that the width and maybe length will be different from the Cruze but that didn't stop most folks around here to jump to conclusions.
 
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Platforms aren't chassis in the old school sense. They are families of subsystems that can be used together, more and more in pretty flexible ways. I could imagine a Cadillac compact with standard AWD and an independent rear suspension being quite differentiated from a Cruze. It really depends on how far they are willing to extend the platform for Cadillac use.

In terms of RWD vs. FWD: drive wheels aren't brand differentiators. If a Cadillac should be a light, sharp driving car with responsive engines and a high performance variant, a proper FWD/AWD compact platform should be able to deliver that. It really comes down to the execution. If the car doesn't drive better than a cheaper VW GTI, Cadillac has failed.
 

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What is the XT5 is built on?
XT5 is built on the new C1UX platform that underpins the new GMC Acadia and the upcoming Chevrolet "Blazer."

The scheduled C1YX version of this platform has a longer wheelbase, is a little wider, and will replace the Lambda platform. This will underpin Cadillac's 7-seat CUV, the XT7.
 

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Yeah, might be D2XX based, not techniqually Cruze based but that is how it will be described.
I think a GLA type of vehicle built on D2XX could be a big seller and Trojan horse for Cadillac, and as a Ford guy I can't wait to witness the contortions some GMI posters will put themselves through to explain away the FWD Cruze connection!
 

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I think a GLA type of vehicle built on D2XX could be a big seller and Trojan horse for Cadillac, and as a Ford guy I can't wait to witness the contortions some GMI posters will put themselves through to explain away the FWD Cruze connection!
Just like the MKC is really just a Focus? ;)
 

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Have at it Caddy.

Millenials don't know or don't care about differences between rwd and fwd platforms.

So if the goal is for Cadillac to 'own' the Milllenial market, a fwd vehicle he Delta platform is a good step
 

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Have at it Caddy.

Millenials don't know or don't care about differences between rwd and fwd platforms.

So if the goal is for Cadillac to 'own' the Milllenial market, a fwd vehicle he Delta platform is a good step
Which is what keeps tripping me out, it's almost as if they're speaking from both sides of their mouth.

In one breath they want to own the millennial market and in the other, they want to build legacy RWD sedans as if which wheels spin makes a real difference to their stated target demo...
 

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Which is what keeps tripping me out, it's almost as if they're speaking from both sides of their mouth.

In one breath they want to own the millennial market and in the other, they want to build legacy RWD sedans as if which wheels spin makes a real difference to their stated target demo...
Since models in that price range will be built it's best to go after that demographic but it won't or it shouldn't stop Caddy from excelling in its mid to upper end models. That's the ever changing landscape.
 

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Maybe we wouldn't have to speculate so much if they weren't so damn slow getting the product out.
 

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Which is what keeps tripping me out, it's almost as if they're speaking from both sides of their mouth.

In one breath they want to own the millennial market and in the other, they want to build legacy RWD sedans as if which wheels spin makes a real difference to their stated target demo...
I wonder how much it is a "refocus" after the ATS/CTS has NOT done as well as it "should have"

I like the idea of and XT1 mini CUV with VOLTEC drive
 

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Any chance you could publish this rebuttal? I'd like to read for myself just how "mad" Cadillac is at GMI and our AutoGuide masters.
 

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XT5 is built on the new C1UX platform that underpins the new GMC Acadia and the upcoming Chevrolet "Blazer."

The scheduled C1YX version of this platform has a longer wheelbase, is a little wider, and will replace the Lambda platform. This will underpin Cadillac's 7-seat CUV, the XT7.
We've also heard that's cancelled.

Cue the condescendingly vague hints of knowledge, but no divulgence of real information.

Also, maybe we'd have known better if GMI were invited to Cadillac events. ;)
 

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Maybe we wouldn't have to speculate so much if they weren't so damn slow getting the product out.
So you're not counting the "Youse guys just wait!..." 5/10-year-plan speeches, as if they were product?
 

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After reading all of the responses last night, and now this, I'm thinking a GLE/CLC class coupe. Although, a GLE class coupe would be too long, right?

Edit: I forgot to add I like the XT1 chop shown. Any chance that it could be refined some more?
 
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