[Nocturn_Bird]

Have you people lost your gords? The third and fourth gen fbodies handled like CRAP on turns. Live axles get OWNED by IRS set-ups...CONSTANTLY. There is a reason that GM didn't use the fbody to race in..And also a reason the Aussies use the Monaro..the same reason GM used the vette...IRS owns the CRAP ouf of LA on autocross..

Note your average ls1 fbody does not run 12's but more mid 13's...right along with what the GTO does.

as for styling, well I guess no everyone likes the catfish camaros or Gorilla nose firebirds that GM was handing out to every 19 year old.

TAFREAK what the hell are you talking about real roads, your about as real a driver as a computer is, stomp and steer a striaght line, yeah real tuff.

Ah yes but I digress...Just more petty arguments with TAFREAK the GTO LOVER!!!

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

The Vette and the GTO arn't marketed to the same potential buyer despite what one used cost to another.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

Surely your arn't saying that my mid 13's comment is false.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

HAHAHHA you people are to much, so your saying that you 98 ls1 went 13.1 stock, when My friends 02 Vette ran a 13.3 with 20 mroe hoespower and 3-400 LBS less...HAHA right in the magical land of oz where magical stickers make ever car faster, or was that "ford stock" wich includes slicks and a supercharger. AN auto no less, sorry but no.

As for the fbody being fast yes, being better then the IRS...HELL NO Is it quick in turns, maybe be. but quicker then another car with comparable power and IRS , sorry no again.

As for not having an fbody Your wrong again, I do own one, and its me american and patriotic, and pure pontiac then TAFREAK claims his to be.

You people need to get over it, the bird is gone, and thank god.

Oh and for refernce, my friend sold his vette for expense reasons and now drives a 02 WS6 he said himself it wasn't as quick in a straight line or around turns.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

ugh your unbeleivable, I live at the track, and I know what times the corvette ran because I was racing him at the time, he ran a 13.3 @104 with a 1.9 60' time. No I don't have an LS1 because I can't stand the engine, I have driven an 02 SS, an 01 Vette, and frequently ride in my friends old 02 Vette and his new WS6.

No I have no nasty 403 under my hood you wanna be, sheesh give me more credit then that.

well lets see, you said of coarse the vette is faster...yet you claim YOUR 98 ran faster...so hmm, the first year of fbody LS1, is going to outrun a 02 Vette that has the upgradded camshaft?

No his corvette was bone stock on orignial tires, auto also.

So get your facts straight, before you blurt out your bull****. No stock LS1 fbody is going to outrun the corvette, at least that obeys the laws of physics. Freaks and ringers aside.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

Do tell TAfreak, what in my post is wrong, what shoes how Little I know. Or are you just going to sit back and claim bull**** responses without backing them up.

Like this

Tafreak is ignorant litle sissy who loves the new GTO's super agressive looks.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

Well lets see, its HRP which happens to be the fastest track in the country, and he cut a 1.9. So traction or track prep obviouslly wasn't a problem, so his less powerful, heavier TA ran 2 tenths faster because of autmosphere conditions in favor of another track?, Doubtfull.

So autmosphere conditions are going to make up for 200 LBs and 30 horespower? Well **** if thats the case then remind me to move over the where conditions are the best cause then I will be taking down vipers and ferraris.

Oh wait, assuming he doesnt have a WS6 or he would have RANTED on about it, makes his TA at 305, So his ta ran faster then a corvette with 45 more HP, 250 less lBS and 15 more TQ...all because of atmosphere?

I'm not one to magazine race, but when you can run a car faster the the people who do it for a living maybe you should call them up and get a job from them.
Here are some stats I picked up for ya:

Motor trend tests a 98 WS6 to 13.4 @ 107...Or how about car and diver testing a 02 firehawk at 13.6 @ 106....

yet his non WS6 ran a 13.1...3 tenths faster?...hmmm must have been atmposhpere again.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

The Fbody does dyno higher with less drivetrain loss due to the live axle, but that just means its puting more power to the ground, not that it has more. This doesnt change the fact that TAfreaks magical trans am managed a 13.1 in a 98 supposedly stock. If it were a 02, or 01 It is more liekly but not in a 98. Other differnces do seperate the engines in teh Vette/fbody. I doubt the dual exhaust on the vette is just for cosmetics and doesn't give it any more power then the fbodies y-pipe design. While the fbody is underrated, I doubt the vette's engine is downtuned to keep it at 350. If the FBody really does make close to 350 like you claim, adding dual exhaust and a smoother flowing intake is going to give it some additional power, even if the IRS hides some of it.

http://www.firebirdgallery.com/98lot2.htm

scroll down to the 98 formula, 300 RWHP with mac headers. 13.7 @ 101 stock.

The bottom line is that your claiming things that don't make sence. The latter LS1's are the ones that calim the low times, not the 98's. I could beleive an 02 SS hitting 12.9 since 25% were built in the mexican plant that builds the LS6, along with approximatly 15% in 01. But none were in 98, or 99 for that matter.

I still fail to see how your magical TA ran faster then a car, even if you had equal power, that weighs 250 less LBS that cut a 1.9 60" time which is arguable probably the best you could cut on street tires.

On a side note track time was initially brought up by TAfreak, if your going to make fun, do it to the person who initiated the childish argument that this has become.

Tafreak is still a sissy little idiotic weiner who likes the new GTO.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

Demonspeed Im talking about the 01-02 LS1's built in the LS6 plant, not the ones using the LS6 block. 25% of 02's were made in the Namek plant which is more performance orientated, thus the LS1's made there are made approximately 10% stronger which could allow for some freakish 12.9 02's or 01's. But not 98's.
Also your LS1 breakdown isn't totally correct as it doesn't include changes made to the corvette's LS1. For example there is a new cam used in 2002 then used in previous LS1s.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

Ugh, I think its more that TAfreak is full of it. Besides that never stopped you from talking about the GTO.

demon I agree with you on the most part on, but the just need to calrrify some things.
The LS6 block is just structurally stronger, that im not disagreeing with you on. But the plant that makes the LS6, also made some LS1's in 01 and 02. The casting techniques the plant uses makes the engines abotu 10% stronger the the ones made in the montreal plant. So it resulted in about 25% of 02's that have the LS1 block 10% stronger then the rest of the normal LS1's.

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

ugh tafreak do you pay attention to the threads you argue in? Or are you just kinda a floating blob of annoyance traveling from thread to thread?

The LS6 came about as why some 01-02's are more beleivable to hit lower numbers because their LS1's are casted in the LS6 plant which uses stronger casting methods which make the LS1's made their stronger then ones not.

While it may not give the LS6'ed LS1 any more power it could allow for some fractional more performance in some degree that might allow for some quicker times then the ealier years.

lol cvp

 

[Nocturn_Bird]

rofl you can say that again. For reference to anyone who has scene the film Donnie Darko, Tafreak would be the coach of the sparkle magic team lol.

ugh TAfreak just stop talking please, im tired of proving you wrong time and time again. Defining drag racing means nothing to this thread, nor do you have any idea of what is being discussed anymore.