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An interesting trend, or a short term fad? Your thoughts? How will sales of scooters eat into the sales of vehicles like, say, the Aveo?

Scooter sales skyrocket with rising gas prices
By Carol Maskus
June 6, 2008 --
BOULDER - With gas priced at almost $4 a gallon, and a looming recession, it's easy to take a dismal view on transportation.

Many people have the good intention of riding their bikes or taking the bus, but there is another option that is growing in popularity - the personal scooter.

Local scooter retailers are noticing the increase in interest - Small Planet "E" Vehicles in Longmont and Sportique in Boulder are getting busier.

"There has been a gradual sales increase over three years, but the last month there has been a significant increase," said Tom Wilson, owner of Small Planet. "Over the past month sales have increased 25 to 30 percent from last summer."

Wilson attributes the growth to the price of gas.

"When gasoline gets to certain plateaus, sales will go up. When it went up to $3, sales went up, and now that it's almost $4, sales are going up."
Sportique Scooters, an Englewood-based retailer with four locations in Colorado, is also getting busier.

"With gas prices we see an increase in interest and more riders out every day," said Mike Osberg, general manager of operations at the Boulder store. "At this location we're seeing about a 10 percent increase over last year, and across the stores it's quite exponential."

Customers echoed the concern about gas prices.

"I'm concerned about the environment, but that's not what's driving me to make this purchase," said Jerry Moore, a retired professional from Evergreen.

"It's more to have a little fun with and to drive by a lot of gas stations."

Brandon Slaten, a systems administrator from Gunbarrel, estimates he and his wife can save about $150 per month in gas with the purchase of one scooter. He will use it to commute to Boulder, and she will move down from her minivan to his sedan.

"I primarily bought it for gas usage, but scooters are low-emission vehicles, so that's helpful as well. And you can park on the sidewalk with the smaller ones. You don't have to park in a parking space and wait for a car to come smashing in."

Saving $150 per month is feasible with the typical scooter -one that gets about 80 mpg, according to ScootersFactory.com. The online dealer has a feature called the Scooter Calculator on its Web site, allowing people to calculate how much money they would save with a scooter. Someone who used it 30 days per month at 15 miles per day would save about $130 per month with current gas prices.

Wilson said his customers are "thinking people - university people and smart people. Boulder and Fort Collins are big markets."

When Wilson opened his store three years ago his original intent was to help mitigate global warming and pollution, popular concerns in those cities. But his customers aren't so interested in the environment anymore.

"I have people that talk about the environment and global warming and people that talk about economics. It's beginning to be more about economics."
http://www.bcbr.com/article.asp?id=94195
With rising gas prices comes dwindling scooter supply
BY MICHAEL BURKE
Journal Times
Tuesday, June 3, 2008 4:16 PM CDT

RACINE COUNTY — Rita Lewis thinks she knows why Racine Montessori School’s raffle at the Lakefront Artist Fair did so well this year.

Ticket sales rose by about 1,000 despite a raw, chilly day at the lakefront. “That usually is disastrous for our raffle ticket sales,” said school administrator Lewis.

She said there could be only one explanation: First prize was a Honda Metropolitan motor scooter. “People were nuts about it,” Lewis said.

The scooter’s donor was Scott Darville, owner of Racine Motor Sports, 2005 Lathrop Ave., and a Montessori parent. From his experience this year, Darville knew he was giving the school just a coveted item — but also one that’s increasingly scarce.

“As of today, I’m out of stock of the (Honda) Ruckus,” he said last week. “I’m trying to locate more.”

“Honda is out of all of their scooters for 2008, and that’s a first.”

And when Honda runs out, that eliminates a lot of options; Honda has been the dominant manufacturer in the small scooter market.

“All the manufacturers are almost out of stock,” agreed Larry Roberts, sales manager at Schauer Power, 1621 Main St. in Union Grove. He was including Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and the Italian Vespa.

“Yamaha and Suzuki, they’re all kind of bigger,” said Darville. “That’s where Honda has the market for this.”

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what’s driving this scooter mania. Depending on their size, motor scooters can get 50, 80 or even up to 100 miles per gallon.

A moped — those with an engine smaller than 50 cubic centimeters — can get 115-123 mpg, Roberts said.

The faster and higher gas prices soar, the more scooter sales climb along with them.

“People are buying for the gas (savings); the smaller ones,” said Ryan Johnson, co-owner of Zone2Extreme, 4543 Douglas Ave.

“People are saying they can’t afford the gas prices,” Darville said. “Or, instead of getting a second car, they’re getting a scooter or small motorcycle.”

Consequently, what was a pretty insignificant industry in the United States is now in a situation of heavy demand and shrinking supply.

“We’ll be out of stock very soon,” Darville said. “And inventory supplies are very low. I’m getting calls from dealers two or three states away wanting to know if I would let go of some of my scooters.”

With scooters’ smaller sizes come petite prices. Roberts said the price range is $2,000 to $8,000. Most men buy those in the 250cc to 400cc range, with a price tag of about $4,500 to $6,000, he said.

A 400cc scooter has more uses; its size and speed allow it to be driven on county highways and even freeways, Roberts said.

However, he said many shoppers seem mostly interested in using scooters for lower-speed, everyday commuting and errands.

Gail Miller recently bought a Honda Metropolitan to commute between her Franksville home and her Downtown Racine post office job. That’s Honda’s smallest model and most miserly with gas, getting 89-100 mpg.

Miller — a former motorcyclist — said she’d been entertaining the notion of a scooter for awhile. Her tipping point on making the purchase was, “Probably when (gas prices) hit $4 a gallon.”

She actually makes four, seven-mile trips from work to or from home, a day, going home at lunch to take care of her dogs. As an alternative to her Chrysler minivan, the gas savings should add up fast.

“I show dogs, too,” Miller said. “I go all over; it’s not that I’m not going to be driving. It’s just that I want to economize in the places that I can.”
http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2008/06/04/money/doc4845b4926030b575652843.txt

Also: Scooter Sales Zoom as Drivers Look for Cheaper Ways to Get Around
 

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How does this save money? If you buy the cheapset "man" version for $4,500, it would take 30 months of the declared $150 savings to break even just on the gas. You still have to pay for tax, registration, insurance and maintenance.

Be honest, you bought it because it is a fun toy. Better keep the car for rainy days and winter.
 

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I wonder how many people cross-shop a small car with a motorcycle or scooter. They are kind of different; you can't really go grocery shopping on a scooter and driving in bad weather is, well, bad. But the move towards smaller vehicles is great enough that sales of all of the above are skyrocketing.

In any case, if people do cross shop between small cars, motorcycles, and motor scooters, it must really be good to be Honda right now, which makes all three.
 

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How does this save money? If you buy the cheapset "man" version for $4,500, it would take 30 months of the declared $150 savings to break even just on the gas. You still have to pay for tax, registration, insurance and maintenance.

Be honest, you bought it because it is a fun toy. Better keep the car for rainy days and winter.
Unless you are planning on buying a new vehicle anyways, buying a new vehicle to save money on gas, no matter what you are currently driving, is a almost always a failure financially. (A cheap used car for a grand or two is different.)

Of course, that's assuming gas doesn't go to $10 a gallon. And if you are in the market for a new vehicle, it doesn't really make fiscal sense to buy a huge SUV instead of a minivan (unless you really really really really like your boat), or a non-hybrid midsized car as opposed to a full-hybrid version (assuming you can find one in stock). Of course, there are only about three hybrid full-mid-sized cars out there, and they all have Toyota engines in them (Camry Hybrid, Prius, and Altima Hybrid). Also, all three are in amazingly short supply, so if you need a car now as opposed to three months from now... Downsizing also works (midsized to compact, compact to subcompact), if the smaller vehicle will fit what you need it for.
 

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How does this save money? If you buy the cheapset "man" version for $4,500, it would take 30 months of the declared $150 savings to break even just on the gas. You still have to pay for tax, registration, insurance and maintenance.

Be honest, you bought it because it is a fun toy. Better keep the car for rainy days and winter.
Honestly these scoots do save you money, at least in my case. I just purchased an '07 Honda Ruckus on Craigslist for $1200 a month and a half ago. The bike had 1400mi and was a little over a year old. It was a great deal. Hell at Honda they will sell you a brand new one for between $2000 and $2400. I myself wouldnt buy one new, they dont hold they're value at all...well except maybe now. Before I had my Ruck I was just driving my '92 Ranger back and forth to work. I would fill up every week @ $55 a fill up. Now with the Ruck I fill up every two weeks to the tune of $5 :eek:! Hows that for saving money?

Dont get me wrong, I totally understand the tradeoffs but if you drive carefully you can definately minimize damage.

Here is what the Ruckus looks like:


Hell the ladies like them too, of course they think that the Rucks are "cute" :cool:.

If you all would like any more information check out totalruckus.com and check out this guy Wans' travel across America.

Ruck on!:):drive:

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Before I had my Ruck I was just driving my '92 Ranger back and forth to work. I would fill up every week @ $55 a fill up. Now with the Ruck I fill up every two weeks to the tune of $5 :eek:! Hows that for saving money?
Wow - 50 a week comes out to a car payment (or lease) a month you're saving!
 

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More scooters = mroe targets to aim for :)

Saw a couple at lunch today with his & hers blue Honda scooters. Not sure if I would want to down size that much, but I can for someone with an suv or truck where money can be saved quickly.

If you are like CHEVEL67NI and get one used at a good price then even if only used for half of every year you can probably have the thing paid off in one or two summers.
 

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How does this save money? If you buy the cheapset "man" version for $4,500, it would take 30 months of the declared $150 savings to break even just on the gas. You still have to pay for tax, registration, insurance and maintenance.

Be honest, you bought it because it is a fun toy. Better keep the car for rainy days and winter.
You gotta pay insurance on the car too. But I think they are assuming you plan to keep it for a while.

Sometimes these decisions are more about the idea of being green, and what is wrong with being responsible? We don't all live in hick down, hence we don't all need to drive around in F-150's all the time.
 

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More to the point, as a motorcycle guy, I have to say, I can't fathom a reason to buy a scooter over a real motorcycle. Unless you buy the Rainbow Special fanny pack wearing versions, they don't give any better mileage than a small motorcycle, and they look fruity as all get out.


*edit* qu33r is stared out... that's *****.. :lmao:
 

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I've lost friends and family in motorcycle accidents. I had one and luckilly was not hurt the only time I had a "bad" accident I watched a guy break his neck not fifteen feet from me at a motorcycle race. It appeared he was going to be alright or I wouldn't have posted it. I just want people to think about the risk they're running and decide for themselves if it's worth it.

I'm really contemplating buying a car for the first time in years. But I'm having a hard time bringing myself to act, when I know I stand to lose if I'm ever involved in an accident with a truck or SUV.

** Sorry, about the video. I watched one where a woman tried to beat a train on here and it did make me a smarter driver. At the same time though, everyone knows by the time they're old enough to drive that there are risks involved. What I posted was graphic and unnecessary. Sorry again.
 

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People whine because they don't have 20 airbags in their car, then get one of these to save gas.

Maybe they should let carmakers sell you a very basic lightweight car... if you sign to the effect that you knew what you were buying and accepted the risk.
 

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We are seeing a lot of scooters in Colorado Springs but they are the cheap chinese ones that go for $800-1200 and have like a six month warranty. I don't trust them safety wise on our roads. I have seriously thought about it though. I wish GM or Ford would offer a scooter and a little scooter rack or a mountain bike with rack with the purchase of an full-sized truck. That might get them a little more traction.
 

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More to the point, as a motorcycle guy, I have to say, I can't fathom a reason to buy a scooter over a real motorcycle. Unless you buy the Rainbow Special fanny pack wearing versions, they don't give any better mileage than a small motorcycle, and they look fruity as all get out.


*edit* qu33r is stared out... that's *****.. :lmao:
I guess some people are secure enough in their masculinity that they don't feel like they have to drive a big truck to be a man. Honestly, that's a pretty lame excuse to not buy anything.

A lot of people in Washington ride scooters, they're great in the city. Free parking, easy to maneuver in traffic, good gas mileage.

Myself, I prefer a bicycle. I can ride my bike anywhere in the city. Plus, I can take it on the subway and buses.
 

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We are seeing a lot of scooters in Colorado Springs but they are the cheap chinese ones that go for $800-1200 and have like a six month warranty.
Don't buy a Chinese scooter unless you know how to work the business end of a wrench. They are absolute junk.

I've read horror stories on boards about parts falling off scooters (many suggestions that you go over a brand new Chinese scooter yourself before you take your first ride and tighten everything up) and worse... lack of parts availability.
 

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A lot of people in Washington ride scooters, they're great in the city. Free parking, easy to maneuver in traffic, good gas mileage -
- and with more total measured emissions per mile than a large SUV.

Did somebody say safety ?

Scooters show you what a lightly regulated product can do versuses a heavily regulated one - both good and bad.
 

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A few thoughts immediately strike me:

1.) I think this adds to the opinion that we need true high-mileage subcompacts on the road, comparable to the 3-cyl Geo's and Civic's of the past. I think there's a real market out there right now for people who want inexpensive, "city cars" just to get around town which have good fuel economy. Then they look over the EPA stickers and see that 28 - 29mpg is pretty much as good as it gets in the city, unless you're willing to shell out a nice chunk of change on a hybrid. $10k+ for a 29mpg vehicle, or a couple thousand for an 80mpg scooter. (Assuming you don't get an electric one.)

2.) I think the only time anybody really care about their MPG figures or the cost of gas is when they just finished filling up a full tank and see the bill. Why is driving an SUV or truck so bad right now? Because it costs $100 to fill it up. Why is a compact car, or especially a little scooter so great? Because it costs $8 to $30 to fill up. That shock value matters most, I think.

That's part of why electric vehicles seem so great. $0 at the pump, just plug it in and forget about it. That is, until your bills arrive in the mail. Or until we have rolling blackouts around the country because everybody gets home from work and plugs in their car at roughly the same time. Unlike our oil/gasoline sources, our electrical grids (especially in the dense metro areas where electric vehicles would have the most potential) are healthy and filled to the brim with limitless bounds of zappy goodness. Besides, oil and electricity are two completely different things, right?

Which brings me to..

3.) A lot of people are stupid.

Spend $23k on an SUV--(I'm just pulling numbers out of my rear-end here on car prices, just to make a point)--knowing that gas is $2.50 a gallon and stands a high likelihood of going up. Drive it for a year while gas prices jump to $3.00, $3.50, $4.00. Then freak out about the high gas prices, have an epiphany in realizing that gas isn't cheap anymore (gasp) and it's costing just way too much to drive around, sell the SUV for $16k, and buy a compact hybrid for $20k saying that they're doing it to save money or the environment or whatever.

To be frank, I think that for a lot of people out there hybrids are just a good excuse to be a typical American consumer whore. What better reason to sell off your brand new SUV (old fad) for a brand new hybrid car (new fad) than to claim that you're saving money, or the environment itself?

3a.) People are way more interested in the psychological or emotional impact of what they're doing or what's going on than the logic. SUV's and trucks are awesome because they "feel" safe, and safety is a big priority. Then gas goes up and suddenly it's okay to hop on a two-wheeler because it saves a lot of gas. Now, saving $110 at the pump feels a whole lot better than feeling all warm and fuzzy in their urban assault vehicle. (Generalized statement, I know. Again, trying to make a point.)
 

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There are LOTS of junk Chinese scooters being sold right now due to the low cost. I've been looking at scooters and only found a couple worth considering in my case. The Suzuki Burgman is too big and expensive and Honda doesn't have anything between a 50cc and a $5,500 250cc model. That leaves the Yamaha Zuma 125 and Piaggio Fly 150 at around $3,000.

Either way, I'd look like an elephant doing a circus trick. If only I could import a Suzuki Wagon R.

On a related note, my father is now looking at motorcycles to save gas. The dealers are moving bikes like crazy.
 

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I guess some people are secure enough in their masculinity that they don't feel like they have to drive a big truck to be a man. Honestly, that's a pretty lame excuse to not buy anything.

A lot of people in Washington ride scooters, they're great in the city. Free parking, easy to maneuver in traffic, good gas mileage.

Myself, I prefer a bicycle. I can ride my bike anywhere in the city. Plus, I can take it on the subway and buses.
Don't get so dramatic. I drive an Impala and an Intrepid. Not a truck. I have quite the thread going about my possible purchase of an Accent. Hell, I wouldn't drive a pink car either, does that mean I'm not secure? I just don't want to drive something that looks stupid. Hell that Honda Rukus thing looks kinda cool, but there isn't much to it and for $2400 bucks I can't see a point. Canadian tire sells something very similar for something like 300 bucks. Sure, the Honda is better, but it goes to show that theres no need of it costing 2400 big ones. Not to mention that if you don't live in a city, they are way to slow to get anywhere on anyway. A motorcycle gets great economy too, and if you think scooters look cool, by all means, have at it, but there is a reason they are marketed with a feminine theme most of the time. Of course you can buy the 600CC plus scooters...but if you're riding a 600cc scooter you seriously might as well have bought a real motorcycle. Only reason I can see for the plus size scooters is for older people who have trouble lifting a leg over a high bike seat. Oddly enough those big scooters cost MORE than the same size motorcycle. They are practicably a mini Goldwing.

In summary, some scooters ARE cool, but the ones that are cool are so big they might as well have been a motorcycle anyway.
 
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