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Here's a sad predicament for me: We'll be looking to buy a new mid-size sporty car in the summer. Historically we'd have looked at Pontiac but having been there today I can say they have nothing I want in this size. I did look at the G8 but it doesn't fit my needs as I don't need a large sedan, I have the Enclave for family hauling. This is more a second car and one for around town, plus one the kids can take on road trips if need be.

So I went around and looked at a few cars with my kids, all of whom drive or will drive soon. Sad sad sad, is all I can say.

Here's what we saw:

  • Pontiac G8. Great looking but simply too much car for what we need. We'd like to keep this in and around $25k and the G8 is more than this (>$40k with the v8!). Remember, I'm in Canada so we get "special" pricing :(.
  • Pontiac G6. Looks not too bad from the outside but is generally disappointing. Looks old and tired overall, though. The entire Pontiac-Buick dealership was brand new but only the Solstice, G8, and Enclave stood out as "gotta have". The rest, sigh, let's not go there.
  • Pontiac G5. Can't believe this costs $23k reasonably equipped! Especially after we visited the Mazda dealer...
  • Mazda 6. Very very nice vehicle. Base comes in at $23k. Might go well over the $25k boundary with options, but it's simply so appealing I might be willing to go over by a couple of K.
  • Toyota. Nothing there. As my kids said: "Old people cars." I still can't believe anyone willingly buys a Toyota. Walking the lot I didn't find a single vehicle I'd want to own. Totally amazing. They must lobotomize any passion out of you prior to you buying their vehicles.
  • Chevrolet Malibu. I like it but my kids say it's for middle-aged old people (which I am, ironically). Not sexy enough for them to want to drive it around all the time. The wife says since it's the same price as the 6 she'd rather have the Mazda.
  • Chevrolet Cobalt. Inexpensive and looks it. My wife and kids have seen shots of the Cruze and they won't buy a Cobalt if they know the Cruze will be out a year after we buy next year. Ironically, everyone is willing to opt for a Cruze instead of a 6 even though it's smaller. They think it looks "awesome", especially the interior. GM CANNOT get this into the NA market fast enough in my opinion.
  • Cadillac CTS. We owned a 2004. My kids loved that car and simply went gaga over the 2009. $40k gets me a reasonably equipped CTS, incl. AWD, but man is that over my $25k desired budget. If money wasn't an object this would be the no brainer! Of course, I doubt the kids would ever get to drive it. :)
  • Lincoln MKS. Very nice vehicle. But the price is more than the CTS! I'd rather have the CTS, thank you very much. Don't get me wrong, I think this is the first really nice Lincoln in ages. And my kids said they'd happily have one in the family. They'd rather have this Lincoln than a Mercedes or BMW -- which are "too common". The price we saw was about $46k. We're getting hosed up here. :(
  • Honda. Nothing to see here, either. Civic is too small and too ugly. The Accord is too ugly, inside and out in our opinion. But I can at least see why people buy the Accord. It has that Uma Thurman look about it: attractive and then not depending on the light.
  • Chrysler. We didn't even consider anything from Dodge as the only cars we'd even consider are the 300C and the Challenger. The former is simply too big and the latter, well, I'd rather have a Camaro.
  • Chevrolet Camaro. After all the above we had a pow-wow and the family is thinking: "Maybe a Camaro as the second car would be a great idea." Since this will primarily be driven by late teens/early twenties I'd opt for the v6, it also keeps the price down and the insurance down. Unfortunately the dealer doesn't have pricing yet for Canada. Sigh.
  • Nissan. Didn't get there. Only the Altima would fit out needs. But I just find Nissans feel cheap every time I've tested one. Maybe it's just an old bias.

We also thought about going to Infiniti and Acura dealerships, but we don't think either will have anything nice in our price range. Lexus is out as the kids think it's "uncool" and, in their words, "definitely old fart material". :)

Though we could wait until 2010 I'm really not interested in waiting. We have an 8 year old Alero. The kids have all used it to learn how to drive and it shows. It's been a great car but the mileage is really adding up so we're thinking a new car in 2009 is a good idea, especially now that they drive much better :). With a new vehicle I wouldn't worrying about it being "softened" anymore :D. Plus, with the way the economy is going we should get a GREAT deal in the spring!!

I'm open to suggestions, btw. Hence this thread.
 

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  • Pontiac G8. Great looking but simply too much car for what we need. We'd like to keep this in and around $25k and the G8 is more than this (>$40k with the v8!). Remember, I'm in Canada so we get "special" pricing :(.
It's a full sizer. Even a base G8 will be higher than your limit.

  • Pontiac G6. Looks not too bad from the outside but is generally disappointing. Looks old and tired overall, though. The entire Pontiac-Buick dealership was brand new but only the Solstice, G8, and Enclave stood out as "gotta have". The rest, sigh, let's not go there.
Looks sporty. Drives like ****.

  • Pontiac G5. Can't believe this costs $23k reasonably equipped! Especially after we visited the Mazda dealer...
G5 is the answer to a question no one asked.

  • Mazda 6. Very very nice vehicle. Base comes in at $23k. Might go well over the $25k boundary with options, but it's simply so appealing I might be willing to go over by a couple of K.
This car is probably your BEST option. High quality. Great performer. Stylish. Sporty. Reasonably priced. Very decent feature set. And it's technically owned by an American firm. :D

  • Toyota. Nothing there. As my kids said: "Old people cars." I still can't believe anyone willingly buys a Toyota. Walking the lot I didn't find a single vehicle I'd want to own. Totally amazing. They must lobotomize any passion out of you prior to you buying their vehicles.
No matter what they do to make their cars more attractive, they still end up with Vanilla. On occasion, they end with French Vanilla. But never chocolate.

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  • Chevrolet Malibu. I like it but my kids say it's for middle-aged old people (which I am, ironically). Not sexy enough for them to want to drive it around all the time. The wife says since it's the same price as the 6 she'd rather have the Mazda.
Not sporty. Very conservative, and quite frankly -- boring.
Decent family hauler, if you want to blend in with all the other boring cars on the road.

  • Chevrolet Cobalt. Inexpensive and looks it. My wife and kids have seen shots of the Cruze and they won't buy a Cobalt if they know the Cruze will be out a year after we buy next year. Ironically, everyone is willing to opt for a Cruze instead of a 6 even though it's smaller. They think it looks "awesome", especially the interior. GM CANNOT get this into the NA market fast enough in my opinion.
Cobalt makes Toyota look exciting. It's boring. It should have had an MCE on the day it launched.

  • Cadillac CTS. We owned a 2004. My kids loved that car and simply went gaga over the 2009. $40k gets me a reasonably equipped CTS, incl. AWD, but man is that over my $25k desired budget. If money wasn't an object this would be the no brainer! Of course, I doubt the kids would ever get to drive it. :)
Pricey. But a good choice. But well over your budget.

  • Lincoln MKS. Very nice vehicle. But the price is more than the CTS! I'd rather have the CTS, thank you very much. Don't get me wrong, I think this is the first really nice Lincoln in ages. And my kids said they'd happily have one in the family. They'd rather have this Lincoln than a Mercedes or BMW -- which are "too common". The price we saw was about $46k. We're getting hosed up here. :(
Pricey.

  • Honda. Nothing to see here, either. Civic is too small and too ugly. The Accord is too ugly, inside and out in our opinion. But I can at least see why people buy the Accord. It has that Uma Thurman look about it: attractive and then not depending on the light.
Honda made Accord too big.

  • Chrysler. We didn't even consider anything from Dodge as the only cars we'd even consider are the 300C and the Challenger. The former is simply too big and the latter, well, I'd rather have a Camaro.
I wouldn't consider anything from Chrysler.

  • Chevrolet Camaro. After all the above we had a pow-wow and the family is thinking: "Maybe a Camaro as the second car would be a great idea." Since this will primarily be driven by late teens/early twenties I'd opt for the v6, it also keeps the price down and the insurance down. Unfortunately the dealer doesn't have pricing yet for Canada. Sigh.
  • Nissan. Didn't get there. Only the Altima would fit out needs. But I just find Nissans feel cheap every time I've tested one. Maybe it's just an old bias.
We also thought about going to Infiniti and Acura dealerships, but we don't think either will have anything nice in our price range. Lexus is out as the kids think it's "uncool" and, in their words, "definitely old fart material". :)
Acura TSX might be a good bet for you. I don't know what the pricing of it is there.

I do agree that Nissan's interior quality is still lacking. They have made improvements, but it's still lacking.

Ultimately, MAzda 6 might be the best way to go.... or a VW.
Maybe even Subaru??
 

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VW GTI 5 door?

Mazda 6.

Camaro would be nice and appears to be a good value in the U.S. So expect GM Canada to jack up the price to the point people don't buy them after the initial rush (i hate GM Canada pricing).

last gen TSX... Acura dealers will give big discounts.

Subaru Impreza hatch or lower trim legacies.

Maybe even the new Honda hybrid if your kids are into that.(its supposed to have a pretty cool interior).

Mini cooper?

Looking at the auto brands. There isn't a whole lot offered for those who want a sporty practical car under 30gs CDN. Hopefully with the fall of the SUV we can get back some everyday performers.
 

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Ultimately, MAzda 6 might be the best way to go.... or a VW.
Maybe even Subaru??
I agree with mgescuro's observations, here.


Have you thought about looking at Subaru? Some nice ones from which to choose....

At least you have options ... try finding a RWD coupe! he he



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I'd go for the Camaro...the V6 will most likely be within your price range. And of course it's sporty, it's a Camaro!

By the way, I love your kids. Already have good tastes in cars...old-people toyotas...old fart lexus...:lmao:
You've brought them up well!
 

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2 cars I've driven in that class that really impressed were the Altima and the Subaru Legacy. Legacy was more fun due entirely to the awd, but Altima I think is the better car overall. Judging by the cars on your list, you're looking at auto's. The cvt in the Altima is probably the best auto I've driven. There was nothing lacking in the interior in both cars IMO.
 

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[*]Toyota. Nothing there. As my kids said: "Old people cars." I still can't believe anyone willingly buys a Toyota. Walking the lot I didn't find a single vehicle I'd want to own. Totally amazing. They must lobotomize any passion out of you prior to you buying their vehicles.

[*]Honda. Nothing to see here, either. Civic is too small and too ugly. The Accord is too ugly, inside and out in our opinion. But I can at least see why people buy the Accord. It has that Uma Thurman look about it: attractive and then not depending on the light.
[*]Chrysler. We didn't even consider anything from Dodge as the only cars we'd even consider are the 300C and the Challenger. The former is simply too big and the latter, well, I'd rather have a Camaro.

[*]Nissan. Didn't get there. Only the Altima would fit out needs. But I just find Nissans feel cheap every time I've tested one. Maybe it's just an old bias.
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Thanks for the comment, i feel the same way. Especially the Accord, are you kidding me? the big scar on the doors terribly placed and not lined up with the handle and the whole car just look ugly(the coup might look ok, but not as good as Altima Coup either). Why toyota and honda selling so good? i guess Perception is hard to beat. by the way, i think the Altima is one of the best mid seda out there today. i like the curvy design, which makes it looks so sleek, but it cost like 22k for a base model. Oh, the Malibu is nice to play with, so many hidden compartments and all good to have. Well, if u don't like it, i have nothing to say.
 

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Subaru Legacy? Opt for the GT :cool:



'09 Impreza GT? Equivalent of the '08 WRX but with an auto and without the extreme styling enhancements

 

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Here's a sad predicament for me: We'll be looking to buy a new mid-size sporty car in the summer. Historically we'd have looked at Pontiac but having been there today I can say they have nothing I want in this size. I did look at the G8 but it doesn't fit my needs as I don't need a large sedan, I have the Enclave for family hauling. This is more a second car and one for around town, plus one the kids can take on road trips if need be.

So I went around and looked at a few cars with my kids, all of whom drive or will drive soon. Sad sad sad, is all I can say.

Here's what we saw:

  • Pontiac G8. Great looking but simply too much car for what we need. We'd like to keep this in and around $25k and the G8 is more than this (>$40k with the v8!). Remember, I'm in Canada so we get "special" pricing :(.
  • Pontiac G6. Looks not too bad from the outside but is generally disappointing. Looks old and tired overall, though. The entire Pontiac-Buick dealership was brand new but only the Solstice, G8, and Enclave stood out as "gotta have". The rest, sigh, let's not go there.
  • Pontiac G5. Can't believe this costs $23k reasonably equipped! Especially after we visited the Mazda dealer...
  • Mazda 6. Very very nice vehicle. Base comes in at $23k. Might go well over the $25k boundary with options, but it's simply so appealing I might be willing to go over by a couple of K.
  • Toyota. Nothing there. As my kids said: "Old people cars." I still can't believe anyone willingly buys a Toyota. Walking the lot I didn't find a single vehicle I'd want to own. Totally amazing. They must lobotomize any passion out of you prior to you buying their vehicles.
  • Chevrolet Malibu. I like it but my kids say it's for middle-aged old people (which I am, ironically). Not sexy enough for them to want to drive it around all the time. The wife says since it's the same price as the 6 she'd rather have the Mazda.
  • Chevrolet Cobalt. Inexpensive and looks it. My wife and kids have seen shots of the Cruze and they won't buy a Cobalt if they know the Cruze will be out a year after we buy next year. Ironically, everyone is willing to opt for a Cruze instead of a 6 even though it's smaller. They think it looks "awesome", especially the interior. GM CANNOT get this into the NA market fast enough in my opinion.
  • Cadillac CTS. We owned a 2004. My kids loved that car and simply went gaga over the 2009. $40k gets me a reasonably equipped CTS, incl. AWD, but man is that over my $25k desired budget. If money wasn't an object this would be the no brainer! Of course, I doubt the kids would ever get to drive it. :)
  • Lincoln MKS. Very nice vehicle. But the price is more than the CTS! I'd rather have the CTS, thank you very much. Don't get me wrong, I think this is the first really nice Lincoln in ages. And my kids said they'd happily have one in the family. They'd rather have this Lincoln than a Mercedes or BMW -- which are "too common". The price we saw was about $46k. We're getting hosed up here. :(
  • Honda. Nothing to see here, either. Civic is too small and too ugly. The Accord is too ugly, inside and out in our opinion. But I can at least see why people buy the Accord. It has that Uma Thurman look about it: attractive and then not depending on the light.
  • Chrysler. We didn't even consider anything from Dodge as the only cars we'd even consider are the 300C and the Challenger. The former is simply too big and the latter, well, I'd rather have a Camaro.
  • Chevrolet Camaro. After all the above we had a pow-wow and the family is thinking: "Maybe a Camaro as the second car would be a great idea." Since this will primarily be driven by late teens/early twenties I'd opt for the v6, it also keeps the price down and the insurance down. Unfortunately the dealer doesn't have pricing yet for Canada. Sigh.
  • Nissan. Didn't get there. Only the Altima would fit out needs. But I just find Nissans feel cheap every time I've tested one. Maybe it's just an old bias.

We also thought about going to Infiniti and Acura dealerships, but we don't think either will have anything nice in our price range. Lexus is out as the kids think it's "uncool" and, in their words, "definitely old fart material". :)

Though we could wait until 2010 I'm really not interested in waiting. We have an 8 year old Alero. The kids have all used it to learn how to drive and it shows. It's been a great car but the mileage is really adding up so we're thinking a new car in 2009 is a good idea, especially now that they drive much better :). With a new vehicle I wouldn't worrying about it being "softened" anymore :D. Plus, with the way the economy is going we should get a GREAT deal in the spring!!

I'm open to suggestions, btw. Hence this thread.
I agree with mgescuro. The Mazda 6 is probably your best bet for a midsizer, it's priced well, sporty looking AND driving and the 4-cylinder is pretty fuel efficient. Since you mentioned that you were looking at the G5 & Cobalt, did you look at the Mazda 3? The Mazda 3 is quite nice and is appealing to young people. Another car to consider since you're Canadian is the Acura CSX. It's received good reviews and it's quite comfortable and roomy. Also, you benefit from Acura service and you're more likely to get a better deal on one than a Civic. I think Acura has 0.9% rates on it right now plus it comes well equipped for the price so that's another one I would consider.
 

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New 6 is nice, as is the Altima.

Camaro though...you know my answer. Hopefully the kids are small!

How about a Sky or Solstice? This is just a fun car? Why not try on one of them?
 

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Midsizer, for me it be a toss up between the Fusion, Genesis Coupe, and maybe the Camaro. I can't imagine the Fusion being that much more diffrent than the Mazda6 in terms of driving The Camaro is nice and all, but I'm not a big fan of retro looks (Well the Camaro isn't as heavy on retro looks as the Mustang and Challenger are) But really its hard the get a feel for what you want because you list both coupes and sedans, some sporty, and others not so sporty.

But I take you are looking for something reasonably sporty since you don't want a Honda or Toyota? If so its easily between the Genesis and Camaro. Genesis if you want economy, Camaro if you want power. And here's a pic of the Genesis:

 

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Cobalt SS? $40k performance for nearly 1/2 the money. 30 mpg too. :)
 
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