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In preparation for the acquisition of or by General Motors, Chrysler appears to have dropped its ongoing construction for building the Phoenix engine family, which would have been a world-class V6 with direct injection, variable valve timing, and multiple displacement systems. No confirmation has been received but a plant which was to make engine components has reportedly been told that the project is no longer going forward.

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ing the same source, but another take from AutoBlog

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The Chrysler rumormill is running at full steam for obvious reasons, and the latest talk surrounds Chrysler and its $3 billion Phoenix V6 engine program. Word on the street is that the project has been canceled, which makes abundant sense if in fact a Chrysler merger is imminent. If a deal to merge Chrysler with either General Motors or Renault/Nissan materializes, both potential mates have V6 engines that are vastly superior to anything nestled under the hood of a Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep. Why would either automaker want to spend $3 billion for something it already has?

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This might not be a 'rational' response, but... please Chrysler. Live damnit. Live! Even hooking up with Renault would be better than GM. GM wants to 'acquire' Chrysler in order to strip it bare and put people out of work.

Renault would have an honest interest in exploiting Chrysler for a solid footing in the US market - plus their already hooked up on the full size truck front.
 

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This might not be a 'rational' response, but... please Chrysler. Live damnit. Live! Even hooking up with Renault would be better than GM. GM wants to 'acquire' Chrysler in order to strip it bare and put people out of work.

Renault would have an honest interest in exploiting Chrysler for a solid footing in the US market - plus their already hooked up on the full size truck front.
I could not agree more. I do not understand how can some people say that it is better if gm buy chrysles and close it down. I would rather see chines company buy chrysler and keep all of its workers then to see gm shut them down. And then those same people will tell you buy only American everything that is imported is bad. Well in this case gm is bad for america.
 

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Now all the articles are making it sound like GM would KEEP Chrysler alive. That's going to be a good laugh...

Should I buy a:

Malibu?
G6?
Aura?
Impala?
9-3?
9-5?
Lacrosse?
Avenger?
Sebring?

I'm tired of thinking about it. I'm going to buy a Fusion.
and all of them will have employee pricing. Pick one lol

and soon you will have:
Acadia
Travers
Enclave
Outlook
Durango
Aspen
Saab 9 something
escalate
Riding on same platform
 

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Nissan-renault, buy's chrysler up, gm sell's off the rest of gmac, and buy's the getrag transmission. Nissan what's chrysler's minivan's and truck's desgin/engineering. Gm doen't need it , gm does't what it. I belive nissan and dodge has build a truck together already, and nissan want's the minivan right's.
 

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I hope that US North American automotive operations can be sustained through this difficult period of global financial instability. If that means that General Motors and Chrysler share R&D, eliminate overlapping products, keep the best of both, and hammer out a franchise agreement with both dealer networks, it could work. I think many here fail to comprehend the truly critical financial shape of US North American automotive operations. Perhaps you would prefer BOTH go under?
 

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if GM gets Chrysler i dont think GM will keep chrysler alive. Instead i think they are going to take what they want .. some stuff from Dodge and some from Chrylser.. while keeping Jeep as the only surviving brand with cutting some of Jeeps crappy vehicles like the Compass and Patriot and Commander (GM doesnt need another vehicle this size)
 

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Hopefully this isn't the way it ends up and its some sort of horse jockeying.

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ing the same source, but another take from AutoBlog

SOURCE: AutoBlog

- is that the project has been canceled, which makes abundant sense if in fact a Chrysler merger is imminent. If a deal to merge Chrysler with either General Motors or Renault/Nissan materializes, both potential mates have V6 engines that are vastly superior to anything nestled under the hood of a Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep. Why would either automaker want to spend $3 billion for something it already has?

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Yet more stupid and basically useless analysis.

You have to go beyond the pale to believe that the Phoenix engine program wouldn't result a superior powertrain familly than what GM and NR

currently have which btw, does not reflect poorly on GM OR NR in the least.

Or, just as dumb, that the Phoenix program wouldn't be likely to produce an equivalent value or possibly 'better' in terms of future programs

versus future programs.

Doubt it ?

Watch what happens if Daimler continues on with the program by themselves - and for that matter watch what happens with the Getrag DCT

program as well.

The question that has to be asked and answered is in the future what combination of engines and transmissions make the most

sense for some kind of conjoined or merged organization.

Evidently, ruthlessly reduced development funding is in the wind - big time.

Better start lovin' the one you're with because anything that isn't perceived as absolutely essential AND is far enough along - is probably gonna be

toast - from everybody.

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On this one, contrary to the idiot who wrote the autoblog article, its more about future powertrains from GM and NR versus future Chrysler -

Daimler developments and what combination makes the most over all sense.

Technical merit is but one factor in that calculation - there have been plenty of business mergers where superior product in development or even in

production got left behind.

Probably the biggest driver here concerning these outstanding powertrains that were coming from Chrysler ie the DCT at program in combination

with the Phoenix V6 program is not some sort of superior merger merger strategy - nobodies even had or taken the time to develop that - it is

rather the haste with which Cerebus is trying to get out and get the deal done - which in turn, is a story of its own.

Clearly Cerebus is in full route from Chrysler - so its simply about the future or they are effectively out of cash - or both - probably with a gun in

their back from the banks.

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A useful analogy exists from the Cold War - may turn out to be true in more ways than one.

In the early 1960's, the USSR was working feverishly and at full speed in setting up Mig 21 production as well as every possible activity concerning

Chinese deployment of a batch of '21s produced in Russia - in The Peoples Republic of China.

One day, The USSR people involved were summoned to various group meetings mostly around the early break - lunch time period.

The also over simplified and muddied but still useful short version of what happened next is some were immediately put on aircraft and flown out, and some

were allowed a little time to grab a few things before they left - only due to a lack of transport AC..

Many to most personal possessions were left behind, and a great deal of technical material ( not all ) - which did include some hot bucket lunch pails as

well, in everything from technical centers to production facilities to training centers.

Within 24 hours considerably more than 2/3 s of the USSR personal were back home or on their way and although accounts differ the majority of

the rest were also within another 24 -48 hours after that.

It was literally almost as if they vanished - and all they really did was get their 1,000s of people home - didn't hand off or directly spike the program large - by much etc.

Now, accounts do differ as to when exactly all this happened or really when it started to happen, but the time event that everything was centered

around is not in dispute in the least.

China surprised everyone, and tested their first atomic explosive device.

So the point is, large organizations do not move this hastily and wastefully unless something big has either already happened, or they expect it to, or both.
 

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Boooooooooooo the Phoenix was supposed to be great. Mercedes was supposedly making a cam-less design that wold have been available in top Chryslers. No Twin Clutch either, seriously Chrysler LLC must be heading for the executioner. If it dies and Lee Iacocca is still around he is going to kill some people, he has mob connections.
 
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