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Along with it's high revving, normally aspirated, 6.6L, LT3. Cancelled at the end of last year along with all the other programs and GM's quest for a smaller US footprint.


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There was a reason why the clumsily-named Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE wasn’t called the Z/28. Today MC&T is the first to report that General Motors was indeed working on a sixth-generation Camaro Z/28 that would have capped the lineup of the most capable muscle car Chevrolet has ever built. This program has been cancelled, according to sources.
This only adds salt into the wounds of Camaro enthusiasts. Last week, MC&T broke the news to the world that the sixth-generation Camaro will run its course by the 2023 model year, leading to another hiatus for the iconic nameplate, as plans for the seventh-generation model have been shelved. In those four years there will just be minor updates, and some visual packages here and there, such as the Shock and Steel Special Edition, and Redline Edition.
Powertrain work and business planning was as far as things went for the Camaro Z/28. Then came GM’s restructuring plan to free cash flow at the end of 2018 for financial security, and to further fund far-reaching programs such as Cruise Automation and an extensive electric vehicle portfolio. Outwardly, this entailed shrinking its manufacturing footprint in North America, and laying off thousands of salaried employees. Internally, this also meant the demise of select vehicle programs, say sources. This hyper-Camaro was one of them.

The sixth-generation Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 was also slated to get its own engine unique from any General Motors vehicle on sale today, called the LT3. It would have had a displacement of 6.6 liters, a higher redline than the LT1, and would have been naturally aspirated. In short, it would have been the spiritual successor to the legendary 427 cubic-inch LS7 in the fifth-gen Z/28 and C6 Corvette Z06. This engine program was also canned in November 2018.

It wasn’t disclosed to us if the LT3 would have been more powerful than the 650 horsepower LT4 engine found in the Camaro ZL1.

Speaking of which, this news gives us no reason to forget how much of a world-beater the 2019 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE is. And naming aside, is nevertheless the spiritual successor to the Camaro Z/28, despite not having a naturally aspirated engine.

Like the fifth-generation Camaro Z/28, the ZL1 1LE possesses trick Multimatic DSSV dampers, where lesser variants do not. The ZL1 1LE also built on the former Z/28’s capabilities with extensive aero work, highlighted by front dive planes and an exposed weave carbon fiber rear wing that adds up to 300 lbs of downforce. The suspension system can also be adjusted for different setups, including the front ride height, camber, and rear sway bar.
In short, the extreme nature of the Camaro ZL1 1LE will not be easily outmatched by its rivals, as Chevrolet really outdid themselves with its capabilities. Its incredible Nurburgring lap time of 7:16.04 is proof of that. Then again, with an MSRP of $71,295, customers are certainly paying for it. That said, it still undercuts the price of the (760 horsepower) 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500.
 

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I'm sure that LT3 would have produced 525+ normally aspirated horsepower.
 

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In all fairness, short of a mythical quality effort - as in the first or second best 'Pony Car Nameplate effort' ever, even if the 6th Gen - and or 5th plus 6th Gen had been much improved, we'd probably be getting about the same from 3rd Q 2018 forward.

Just look at the whole market especially with regard to Convertibles, 2door anything, Enthusiast Cars / Cars in general etc - and that's not just about unit volume but also the financial metrics of the individual sales and Vehicle Programs.


And then look at what the 18 - 54 year old segments are really doing - where the $$ is being made.


The World's changed - it matters precious little here what the ratio is between push or pull... and no, I do not like it either.

But I digress.


Because the other half of the equation is all the exterior Bankster type meddling worth 'directly' 26 Billion since BK and counting, and resulting in two killer developments.

They can be usefully thought of as one ie the internal financial 'standards'.


Say what you will about all the rest - and Mustang and Challenger ( and just wait and see what happens with them as well ) the real killers are the internal CUV / SUV / Truck Programs along with the root driver of those - the externally 'forced' short sighted - ridiculous internal financial requirements.

Plus of course, the substantial drain from the Battery EV and simultaneous AV crapola.

So yeah, given the enormity of all that...... don't think it would come out different 'looking forward' although to be sure the past would have been more satisfying - and perhaps profitable.


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Maybe the way out and this is about older buyers more than anything else..... involves something truly crazy.

Like - as but one example, FE RWD Corvette Genes into Camaro......

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There are two things at stake here which normally are together.

The spirit of the thing ( loosely ), and the Nameplate itself.


Maybe......


Late add : Btw, I'm glad they didn't use the Z28 designation because a big ass V8 no matter how sexy on paper - is not part of that in the better sense.

You want a 4 / 5 L V8 - of a type...... which GM does not have - and never really did past the first / third Gen.....
 

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I’ll disagree with an earlier comment that these moves are indicative of a bigger move away from performance cars. It may seem that way right now to Camaro enthusiasts, but Mustang, Challenger, and even Charger are doing fine. I think this is far more indicative of things that are transpiring within GM, and issues with the current gen Camaro, than with market trends as a whole.
 

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While Dodge is releasing more and more models of the Challenger and Charger. :/
At this rate, I could imagine Mary Barra, shy and being humiliated if she hadn't been ejected from the CEO ejectable seat, knocking at FCA door saying: "Mr. Elkann,....could you allow us to built the next-gen Camaro on the Charger/Challenger platform?...Please! I'm beggin you.":rolleyes:
 

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GM is on track to decreasing its footprint by 100% - its called bankruptcy!
UNLESS this drive for ZERO-ZERO-ZERO gives us a BEV equinox for under $50k in the NEXT 3 years

as I see it EV cars are trapped in the bodies of dying ICE segments and NOBODY has brought out a EV SUV that LOOKS AND functions LIKE an SUV!!!

as for the Z/28 a unique high revving 6.6L to me says GM WAS serious 6 months ago and ether something changed FROM ABOVE OR 1/4 numbers were WAY OFF internal targets
the later is something the LT1 MIGHT "FIX" enough to get A 7TH gen eventually
I would LOVE to see Chevrolet offer a TOP TRACK HYBRID Camaro while keeping the Z/28 in a MORE "BASIC" track assault vehicle -no HYBRID OR "BOOST ENHANCERS"
 

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Much like the hiatus in the '00's, this hiatus (and everything else behind it) are due to their interpretation of the current twenty something crowd's philosophy on driving. I remember similar stories being told when they cancelled the Camaro after the 02 run that it will never come back. In fact, tastes and desires change on a whim.

I am sure once the 20-something crowd get their salary doubled and rent their own pad, their wants and desires will change as well. But, in the meantime, GM is going to soak up $40B of cash from its current customers in the hopes that it will hold itself over until they figure out what "Millenials" want. Anyway, marketing mags in the '90's said that the millennial generation will be the most watched and studied ever--guess that wasn't enough for GM to make a move on them...

This all-electric autonomous stuff is for value generation only. When peak electric or autonomous occur, they'll cash in with the rest...

ATS has gone away and no other chassis (or whatever you want to call it) can be shared with Camaro at the moment. Yes, that's right. They will not make the Camaro again until they find a chassis that can fit with the Camaro... In their minds, the current generations' demands are not in this arena. In the meantime, Gen X and Babyboomers can go to car auction and buy their Camaro Z28 1LE...
 

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The problem with all these arguments insisting that Chevy is moving on because the market has is that they fly in the face of reality. The big three sold more pony cars collectively in 2018 than they did eights years prior in 2010. I selected 2010 randomly but, if you want to, you can select just about any year from 2005 forward and the size of the segment doesn’t change dramatically at any point outside of some expected spikes when new models arrive. Other than that, it’s a pretty boring read.

The segment isn’t suffering, Camaro is.
 

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I'm not really surprised, the Z/28 was a niche vehicle in the extreme. Do any of you know the sales figures for Z/28 ?

Yes, it's once again a brave new world in the automotive industry, this time with electrification being the shibboleth..

GM keeps doing this. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, GM was all-in on diesel engines. (?!) With the 1980s it was a mass conversion to FWD.. Buyers were mostly appalled and stayed away in droves.. The fact it was the Roger Smith era more generally didn't help either.. Quality crashed, design tanked and market share evaporated.

Some people never learn, I guess.
 

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SMFH...When its all over GM will fail, and the Chevrolet will be the only Brand left, basically another Version of Ford, The Corvette, and CUVs.

STUPID STUPID STUPID
 
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I'm also disappointed that the LT3 won't be going into the C8. Maybe not enough separation from the LT2.
It could still find its way into a BlackWing if the development was pretty far along.
 
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