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Renault, PSA criticize France's about-face on diesels
Bruce Gain
Automotive News Europe
December 2, 2014

RENNES, France -- PSA/Peugeot-Citroen and Renault have criticized the French government's plans to end its diesel-friendly policy for cars.

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has said the government will undo policies that in the past have "favored the diesel engine."

Next year, the government will raise excise tax on diesel fuel and remove incentives for diesel car purchases. Valls said at an environmental conference on Friday that the government will "progressively" undo policies that encourage diesel car sales.

The government has yet to specify how it plans to dismantle diesel car purchase incentives.

About 80 percent of French motorists drive diesel-powered cars.
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Good for Renault and PSA for retorting.

Sometimes the "cure" is worse than the "disease". In using government as a stick to prod people in one direction or another, you have to think five steps ahead to what kind of future behavior you are (directly or indirectly) encouraging. If more people switch to gasoline-powered engines (which are less fuel-efficient) or just purchase more used diesel powered cars/hold onto their diesel vehicles longer, they may indirectly create a worse problem for themselves (assuming, of course, that you think there was actually a problem to begin with or this was done just to play politics/placate or win favor with a domestic French interest group).

I'd like to see how this pans out ten or twenty years from now.
 

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In a perverse way, I hope the French govt goes ahead with this - due to the EU open market policy, the UK gets a lot of goods from mainland Europe delivered on trucks who fill their massive fuel tanks with cheap French diesel, drive all over the UK adding considerably to congestion and road wear but without contributing a penny towards the upkeep of the roads.

If French diesel was the same price as UK diesel, they would at least fill up in the UK some of the time, and the UK duty on the fuel would go towards the UK funding.
 

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In a perverse way, I hope the French govt goes ahead with this - due to the EU open market policy, the UK gets a lot of goods from mainland Europe delivered on trucks who fill their massive fuel tanks with cheap French diesel, drive all over the UK adding considerably to congestion and road wear but without contributing a penny towards the upkeep of the roads.

If French diesel was the same price as UK diesel, they would at least fill up in the UK some of the time, and the UK duty on the fuel would go towards the UK funding.
why does UK not make its Diesel cheaper?
 

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Good for Renault and PSA for retorting.

Sometimes the "cure" is worse than the "disease". In using government as a stick to prod people in one direction or another, you have to think five steps ahead to what kind of future behavior you are (directly or indirectly) encouraging. If more people switch to gasoline-powered engines (which are less fuel-efficient) or just purchase more used diesel powered cars/hold onto their diesel vehicles longer, they may indirectly create a worse problem for themselves (assuming, of course, that you think there was actually a problem to begin with or this was done just to play politics/placate or win favor with a domestic French interest group).

I'd like to see how this pans out ten or twenty years from now.
Cherchez le government. Crony capitalism gets its comeuppance. The incentives were wrong in the first place. Those who depended on government to force others to their will now see that government can force them, too.
Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.
Including your choice of an automobile engine.
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Good for Renault and PSA for retorting.

Sometimes the "cure" is worse than the "disease". In using government as a stick to prod people in one direction or another, you have to think five steps ahead to what kind of future behavior you are (directly or indirectly) encouraging. If more people switch to gasoline-powered engines (which are less fuel-efficient) or just purchase more used diesel powered cars/hold onto their diesel vehicles longer, they may indirectly create a worse problem for themselves (assuming, of course, that you think there was actually a problem to begin with or this was done just to play politics/placate or win favor with a domestic French interest group).

I'd like to see how this pans out ten or twenty years from now.
The "cure" is the incentives on diesel powered cars and the "Disease" is high fuel prices.....be careful what you wish for.
They can twist and turn and do what ever they like but the fact is the gas/diesel powered car is near it's end. Yes we still have about 30 years to go but
the end is just over the horizon trust!
 

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The "cure" is the incentives on diesel powered cars and the "Disease" is high fuel prices.....be careful what you wish for.
They can twist and turn and do what ever they like but the fact is the gas/diesel powered car is near it's end. Yes we still have about 30 years to go but
the end is just over the horizon trust!
Gee, I heard that in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00's and now in the teens...Is this like the ice age we were supposed to be in now (the one I read in my 70s National Geographic)?
 

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Good for Renault and PSA for retorting.

Sometimes the "cure" is worse than the "disease". In using government as a stick to prod people in one direction or another, you have to think five steps ahead to what kind of future behavior you are (directly or indirectly) encouraging. If more people switch to gasoline-powered engines (which are less fuel-efficient) or just purchase more used diesel powered cars/hold onto their diesel vehicles longer, they may indirectly create a worse problem for themselves (assuming, of course, that you think there was actually a problem to begin with or this was done just to play politics/placate or win favor with a domestic French interest group).

I'd like to see how this pans out ten or twenty years from now.
Ahh, the law of unintended consequences, ignored by politician's the world over; this is the same brilliant French government, who in May 2014, guaranteed they would sell two helicopter-carrying assault ships to the Russians while still reducing their own armed forces. Only world outrage at the Crimean annexation and Russia's sanitized uniform/equipment war against the Ukraine has forced the French to "suspend" delivery.

As the article details, Green party appeasment is the reason why this is happening, As the one comment below the article details, there is also Green opposition to electricity derived heat due to the electricity being generated from nuclear power.

The bottom line is these radical environmental lefitists will NEVER BE APPEASED. Take a look at this clip, one in which the reporter is clearly biased to the Greens cause she is reporting on:


Yes, even renewable biomass is EVIL to Greens. The one Green quoted tried to link it to South East Asia deforestation; too bad for her narrative that the woood pellets, residual material from log cutting, is coming from Lousiana and Mississippi.

The Greens are like kids who never grew up. They either think energy just magically appears or all the world's energy can be produced by solar and wind. What is relly funny is when they run into fellow lefty animal rights activists who decry the cuisinarts of the sky (wind turbines) for killing birds) or lefty organic farmers who protest against thousands of acres of arable land being used for solar panel planting, not food planting.

Now all we need is Al Gore to fly in via his private jet and fix things...
 

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France is the land of Onions, surely?
 

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Ahh, the law of unintended consequences, ignored by politician's the world over; this is the same brilliant French government, who in May 2014, guaranteed they would sell two helicopter-carrying assault ships to the Russians while still reducing their own armed forces. Only world outrage at the Crimean annexation and Russia's sanitized uniform/equipment war against the Ukraine has forced the French to "suspend" delivery.

As the article details, Green party appeasment is the reason why this is happening, As the one comment below the article details, there is also Green opposition to electricity derived heat due to the electricity being generated from nuclear power.

The bottom line is these radical environmental lefitists will NEVER BE APPEASED. Take a look at this clip, one in which the reporter is clearly biased to the Greens cause she is reporting on:


Yes, even renewable biomass is EVIL to Greens. The one Green quoted tried to link it to South East Asia deforestation; too bad for her narrative that the woood pellets, residual material from log cutting, is coming from Lousiana and Mississippi.

The Greens are like kids who never grew up. They either think energy just magically appears or all the world's energy can be produced by solar and wind. What is relly funny is when they run into fellow lefty animal rights activists who decry the cuisinarts of the sky (wind turbines) for killing birds) or lefty organic farmers who protest against thousands of acres of arable land being used for solar panel planting, not food planting.

Now all we need is Al Gore to fly in via his private jet and fix things...
they to me are a lot like the Hippies of old and want to SHUN the modern world and go back to a "simpler" time with Family farmsteads ETC
I have heard "GREENS" protest against solar and Wind projects
 
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